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Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.08 13:51:00 -
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Ground floor of what should be a nice, calm discussion. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:46:00 -
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All right, time for a few words. I'm sure I'll miss a few of the more inventive theories about this but that's fine.
Discussion about 'voting reform' in the CSM were coming up even early on in CSM 6 however, as most here remember, we got a tad distracted by other events. Even so, during the December summit last year we knew this was going to be something which would become a hot topic during the next CSM term. At Fanfest, post-election and pre-Jagerbomb Gate (pick your title), several of us that were on CSM 6 and newly re-elected to CSM 7 were in Islenski Barinn (one of the main bar hangouts) talking to Mittens about this very subject.
CCP hasn't been silent on this either and has very vocally supported the need to have this ~discussion~. The original white paper / CSM charter was 'masterminded' by a very small group of people with no player input. It's not surprising that CCP would want to give the community an opportunity to chime in on if they like the current process or believe it needs to be changed.
So just to be clear, this is not just some CSM 7 initiative.
As of right now, I plan to have the CSM and CCP try to take as much constructive feedback as possible to the December summit and put together a framework that can be refined even further before the CSM 8 elections.
The bottom line for me as Chairman is that, regardless of any tinfoil flying about, this is a discussion that needs to be had and I believe the community should have input on it. If you don't like this initial proposal, counter it with your own and let's see what we can all come up with. I'm not foolish enough to believe that any system will meet with everyone's full approval, but I do believe in making the effort. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:52:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Trebor wants more limp-wristed candidates. More Kelduums. More Isslers. More Meissas. Because these people are so meek, that they listen to Trebor. They look up to Trebor. The Mittani never gave Trebor the time of day, and Trebor definitely does not want more Mittani's on the CSM to work with
Gotta call BS on this one, Poe. Mittens and Trebor actually got along very well on CSM 6. They often bounced ideas and statements off each other to great beneficial effect. Saying that Mittens didn't know how to solicit advice or work with the rest of us is wrong. Had Mittens been able to stay on CSM 7, that would have been just fine by most of us as well. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:55:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Seleene wrote:this is a discussion that needs to be had Why?
I explained that earlier. Because CCP threw the original system together with no player oversight. Due to discussions over the past couple of years, CCP is open to evolving the system if players believe that needs to happen.
Seleene wrote:If you don't like this initial proposal, counter it with your own and let's see what we can all come up with. What's wrong with the old system?[/quote][/quote]
Maybe nothing. Possibly everything. I guess we will find out.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:58:00 -
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Sal Volatile wrote:Ignoring legitimate criticism while vaguely referring to tinfoil hattery is extremely dishonest and I am extremely disappointed in both you and the other CSM members, Seleene. Many very serious and legitimate critiques have been made in this thread. Your dismissive attitude is patronizing and appalling.
There IS a lot of tinfoil BS in this thread with regard to why this thread exists and I make no apologies for being annoyed by it.
My attitude with regard to the actual discussion of this subject has been anything but dismissive. Just because I'm not doing a point by point on all of the critiques made does not mean I have not read them. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Lord Zim wrote:
You people have spent, what, 3 months thinking up this system, and it's pretty evident by the defensive posting that you guys really, really want to make sure us goons get to the back of the bus. There doesn't exist a single system, which will throw out votes in the fashion you guys want, which I will accept.
you are bad at forums. Specifically reading posts that go in them. Specifically my posts It was talked about as "a problem" at the CSM meet in may/june. The CSM came up with this abortion of a suggestion, birthed out of the abortion of a set of minimum requirements, 3 months later. You've spent 3 months on this.
You are my favorite poster in this thread because you know exactly what is going on and don't hesitate to let the people know. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:30:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Seleene wrote:Lord Zim wrote: It was talked about as "a problem" at the CSM meet in may/june. The CSM came up with this abortion of a suggestion, birthed out of the abortion of a set of minimum requirements, 3 months later.
You've spent 3 months on this.
You are my favorite poster in this thread because you know exactly what is going on and don't hesitate to let the people know. CSM Chairman treating us to some more b-grade shitposts. Asking him some questions usually sends him scurrying off.
No, I tend to answer things I'm asked. That you don't like or believe the answers is something I have no control over. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
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