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Miss Chigger
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Posted - 2011.05.31 12:03:00 -
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How much can you make doing high sec mining with 1 hulk, not bothering with crystals for a few hours a day? Not selling to buy orders, getting stuff moved to a hub.
Just an estimation.
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Apachekills
Gallente Lost-Souls Industry
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Posted - 2011.05.31 12:29:00 -
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cerlestes.de
the prices on the right side in the brackets are about what you can expect per 27,500m3 jetcan, the number below it is per m3.
it all depends on how much m3 you produce, thats it. Id go out to a belt and see how many cans you can fill in an hour, and cross refreance that with the information on the website. And youll have your number.
Skills vary wildly on how much you can mine in a hulk. I would refer you to Haladas Mining Guide for more info on that.
Hope this helps.
Lost-Souls-eve.com
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Nekoj Kustic
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Posted - 2011.05.31 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nekoj Kustic on 31/05/2011 14:57:52 Well. A general guideline I use with our mining gang.
A plump asteroid belt (one that has not been touched in a couple days) will give you about 7.5 million units of ore. So factor in how fast you mine ore. Those 7.5 million ore will sell for around 100 million.
For referrence, an Orca with mining drones and one retreiver will mine out 7.5 million ore in about 1.25 hours. So 100 million ISK between those two ships over 1.25 hours. The orca and retreiver mine slow compared to one Hulk so I would expect about 75-90 million ISK an hour in High sec with one Hulk.
Nekoj
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.05.31 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: My Postman on 31/05/2011 15:07:10 Assuming you are solo mining with your hulk (without orca support) you won¦t be able to make much more than 5 mil/hour, and i¦m talking perfect mining skills (exhumers 5, mining drone II, drone interfacing 5, T2 crystals). If you have a hauler alt, you may be able to make 10 % more, for not going to unload your hulk every 10 mins in station.
Orca Support will boost the Hulks income by about 30 % (perfect support skills).
Hope this helps.
@ Poster above: lol. if one tells me he¦s making 75-100 mil/hour doing L4¦s 95 % of these guys are lying. If you make 75 mil/hour with Retriever/Orca combi either 100 % of miners of eve are dumba**es or you found the holy grail of highsec mining.
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Elezondo
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Posted - 2011.05.31 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Elezondo on 31/05/2011 15:40:48
Originally by: My Postman Edited by: My Postman on 31/05/2011 15:10:31 Edited by: My Postman on 31/05/2011 15:07:10 Assuming you are solo mining with your hulk (without orca support) you won¦t be able to make much more than 5 mil/hour...
I think thats being awfully conservative. Solo veldspar you can easly get 6m/hour... if you mine pyro or kernite you should do 10m/hour solo. If youre mining omber... yeah, 5m/hour... |
Prime Salvage
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Posted - 2011.05.31 15:55:00 -
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2 hulks (1200 and 1700 m3 per laser cycle respectively) and an orca with 3 in Industrial Command, Mining Director, and Warfare(or Welfare as I called it for a week misreading it) Link Specialist nets about 1 Orca-full of ore per hour. Approximately 175k m3 of ore. That's with the standard amount of attention paid, keeping lasers running but not necessarily sniping the lasers on small roids, etc.
I'd love to find me one of them high-sec belts that you can get about 100 million isk from in that amount of time, because my math keeps telling me 20-35 mil for the 3 of us combined.
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ShadowsTheater
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Posted - 2011.05.31 16:04:00 -
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You can forget any of the theoretical figures because they are meaningless. Asteroids often pop mid cycle unless you are extremely picky, travel time is another issue, random disconnects, drone travel time, ongoing crystal costs. That of course doesnt factor in can flippers, rat jamming, possible war decs from being so visible in the belts.
Your best bet is to do level 4's and find a cosy spot with nice big juicy roids.
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Nekoj Kustic
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Posted - 2011.05.31 16:05:00 -
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Sorry for the misinformation. Looking over my numbers again I have some bad information on my sheet.
I will measure the time to mine out a belt again.
Looking at other operations, in general each miner mined about 8-10 million ISK per hour (in high sec). This is wil Orca bonus and fullying improved skills/hulks.
In response to rising PLEX prices we moved our operations. We now get about 13 million per hour per miner, but this is not High Sec Ore.
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Bohawke
Gallente The Kharon Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Chigger How much can you make doing high sec mining with 1 hulk, not bothering with crystals for a few hours a day? Not selling to buy orders, getting stuff moved to a hub.
Just an estimation.
Meant to reply much earlier with this...
I have a Hulk pilot who does not use T2 crystals yet, so I tested out his abilities mining plain old Veldspar - basically following the details of the OP query (solo hulk, no crystals - and since they didn't mention mining drones, NO mining drones). Here are his current skills (just barely into flying a Hulk) that he has that will affect his mining yield:
Astrology @ 5 Mining @ 5 Mining Upgrades @ 4 Mining Barge @ 5 Exhumers @ 3
Also, this toon has the Highwall HX-1 implant which adds 3% to the mining yield totals, so keep that in mind as well.
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Hulk T1 strip miners x 3
mining yield per cycle = 3,268.6 m3 per cycle (3 minutes) mining yield per hour = 65,372 m3 per hour (20 cycles)
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Hulk T1 strip miners x 3 Mining laser upgrade I x 1
mining yield per cycle = 3,432.0 m3 per cycle (3 minutes) mining yield per hour = 68,640 m3 per hour (20 cycles)
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Hulk T1 strip miners x 3 Mining laser upgrade I x 2
mining yield per cycle = 3603.5 m3 per cycle (3 minutes) mining yield per hour = 72,070 m3 per hour (20 cycles)
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Hulk T1 strip miners x 3 Mining laser upgrade II x 1
mining yield per cycle = 3,562.7 m3 per cycle (3 minutes) mining yield per hour = 71,254 m3 per hour (20 cycles)
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Hulk T1 strip miners x 3 Mining laser upgrades II x 2
mining yield per cycle = 3,883.4 m3 per cycle (3 minutes) mining yield per hour = 77,668 m3 per hour (20 cycles)
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So the least I can do in 1 hour would be 65,372 m3 of Veldspar, while the most is 77,668 m3 of Veldspar. For now, I'll use the lower total.
To be able to mine 1 hour straight, you will need to either Jetcan mine the ore (at 27,500 m3 per Jetcan, you'll need 3 Jetcans to reach the total of 65,372 m3 per hour - not to mention the danger of Jetcan mining that long without hauling some in...) or use a dedicated hauler on an alt account / friend to haul the ore in for you. For the sake of this argument, let's say that you are using 1 account to mine ore / 1 account to haul ore. That means that the 65,372 m3 of ore per hour is for TWO characters to mine, meaning you are really mining 32,686 m3 of Veldspar PER TOON. I make this distinction b/c many players (myself included) factor in everything that goes into every mining ops - from the time to get to the belt, to get barges into position, moving them around, hauling stuff back and forth, etc. Even the time spent NOT mining during a mining ops should be factored in. If you mine ore for 3 hours but spend 30 minutes getting a fleet into the belt, into position, and hauling stuff back, then you've been mining for 3 1/2 hours.
Now the OP stated "for a few hours a day?", so let's just go with 4 hours as the total time of the mining ops. So, a 4 hour mining ops would bring in 261,488 m3 of Veldspar (or 130,744 m3 of Veldspar PER TOON) for the entire mining ops. If the OP was planning on selling the ore outright, then using the current pricing from the BSAC (97.60 ISK/m3) would bring the total value of the ore from the mining ops to 25,521,228 ISK (or 12,760,614 ISK per TOON if you are splitting the profit from the mining ops with someone else). These totals do NOT factor in that you will need to haul the ore somewhere to sell, as well as getting at least as much as 97.60 ISK per m3...
So in a very basic form, you can earn 25.5+ million for a 4 hour mining ops if you were only using a basic Hulk detailed above - but that could only happen if you had a dedicated hauling partner/alt helping you out.
- Bohawke
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Kim Xiuying
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Posted - 2011.06.01 05:55:00 -
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Good to know that my 5,5mil/hour earned by harvesting ice in high sec isn't that bad
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Meili Jiang
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:29:00 -
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I run a small alt corp of 3 pilots. Mining missions are composed of 1 Orca, 1 Hulk, 1 Retriever. Retriever equipped with Strip Miner Is, Hulk with Modulated Strip Miner IIs with T2 Veldspar crystals. No gang links yet.
I pull in about 12M ISK/hour.
I don't this for ISK, mind you, I do it because I can get ISK fairly passively, while I do something in the background (clean my desk, EVEMon or EFT work, read the forums, etc).
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:26:00 -
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I run 3 accounts, 2 hulks and an orca, all T2 strips, gang links, good skills. I get around 20 mil an hour of ore. But I use that ore to make ammo, drones, ships and various modules that I sell to the local mission runners. That increases the income to about 30 mil per hour of mining.
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Olivia Berett
Caldari Brasfleet Networking Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Olivia Berett on 01/06/2011 18:19:35 For those really into details, as much more yield and bonus you get, as much the way you mine will determine how much you earn. Alt mining operations are far more lucrative than solo mining per char. Mining actively is much more lucrative than passive mining. Hauling mining is much less risky than jetcan mining.
Not only what ship or equips you have, but the technique you use influenciate how much you make hourly mining.
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medea betencore
Gallente Mineral Monkey
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:09:00 -
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1 hulk no hauler no crystals moving to hub is maybe 3-4m an hour depending on skills and ore available.
This is no way to mine
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Deadloch
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:30:00 -
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I hate to say it... I used to mine. I've come to realize it's more profitable to can flip.
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Kyric Endri
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:51:00 -
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Well, if it helps, I have a hulk with T1 strips and some upgrades, nothing "ultimate miner" style sure. I have an alt in an IttyV hauling back and forth, and selling once the Obelisk is full of dirt. I usually just pile up Veldspar. Dense, preferably, but concentrated seems to fetch a lesser yet comparable price. About 5 hours of work landed a little over 54mil...which isn't too bad for a younger player I guess, but there's definitely faster ways to fill the wallet.
_____________________________________ Clinically Cynical since 1984...but getting better. |
Digital Messiah
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:05:00 -
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Mining in high security isn't going to net a lot of reward. I'm just waiting for the industrial buff that never comes .
Quote: Don't Panic
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Deadloch I hate to say it... I used to mine. I've come to realize it's more profitable to can flip.
R O F L
. Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah Mining in high security isn't going to net a lot of reward. I'm just waiting for the industrial buff that never comes .
Double ROFL.
This forum is comedy gold today. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Deadloch I hate to say it... I used to mine. I've come to realize it's more profitable to can flip.
more profitable or more fun..? I can't see you making enough to really say it's "profitable" to can flip.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole more profitable or more fun..? I can't see you making enough to really say it's "profitable" to can flip.
The minerals I mine from the hulks I kill are free.
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Comfortably Numbed
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Posted - 2011.06.04 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Comfortably Numbed on 04/06/2011 04:05:12 1 maxed orca and pilot with foreman mind link. 3 hulks, exhumer to 5, T2 crystals michi and highwall implants on all 3 pilots give me around 35 mills per hour. I don't use drones because the entry point for most belts is equidistant and at the max mining range of aprox 23.8kms a 60 mills belt can be cleared in a little under 2 hours without having to move more than 3 or 4 kms. A fully rigged and fitted badger MK2 can just keep up as long as the station is within 10au. Hope that helps. 1 hulk solo with implants about 5 mills if you dont jetcan.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.04 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: Barbara Nichole more profitable or more fun..? I can't see you making enough to really say it's "profitable" to can flip.
The minerals I mine from the hulks I kill are free.
free or not, the question remains are you making more with the same amount of time than you would mining. I think not.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.05 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole free or not, the question remains are you making more with the same amount of time than you would mining. I think not, concidering the miserbly slow pace at which you'd claim mineral from kills whose can you've flipped..due both to the fact that most hulk pilots know better than to fall for your old trick and hulk pilots mostly do not jet can at that point.
I'm pretty sure that you missed my sarcasm. :)
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Melchiades Seti
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Posted - 2011.06.05 21:40:00 -
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I can tell you my personal experience. With some friends, we had 3 hulks and an orca, we cleared an entire asteroid field in about 2-3 hours. We split at the end, and it was around 50 million. So that's 4 people in 2-3 hours. Assuming 3 hours, that's 12 man hours, so a little more than 4 mill an hour. Of course, we mined that belt out, so if you are willing to move around a bit, and hit the belts early, you get an idea.
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:05:00 -
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12-15mil an hour?
And you people are happy with this?
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bohawke
Astrology @ 5
Does star sign really help your mining rate?
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Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment
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Posted - 2011.06.06 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: EnderCapitalG 12-15mil an hour?
And you people are happy with this?
Depends on what you are mining, and no most people are not. Hence the second - third accounts, hi sec mining as a stepping stone, or the reason there are afk bots.
Quote: Don't Panic
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Biba Tradzor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:49:00 -
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Orca + 3 hulks, i fill a can in 5-6 minutes, so 10 cans an hour Mining in nullsec (so, with some risk, rats, etc) ABC ores gives an average of 6-7M per can, so lets round it to 60M/h (15M/hour/character), not counting the hauling time to highsec for refining etc.
Mining ice in highsec (Orca + 3 maxed mackinaws), around 280-290 bloks per hour, so that is roughly 50M/h (12.5M/h/char), but without risk and without the roids depletion.
Mining is not a very well rewarded profession.. if i want to pay PLEX for my 4 accounts, i need 1.7b, so.. 34 hours of mining in the month.. omg
This is why i was botmining in highsec with 1 account, got banned 15 days the 4 accounts so learnt the lesson, and now i'm just wondering if i keep the 4 accounts or just get back to 1 as a "normal" player. CCP will probably loose 3 accounts, guess where the problem is...
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Biba Tradzor now i'm just wondering if i keep the 4 accounts or just get back to 1 as a "normal" player. CCP will probably loose 3 accounts, guess where the problem is...
The problem is with you having **** all else better to do than mine, or not having the intelligence to make ISK using a much more lucrative method in the first place. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Messiah Mining in high security isn't going to net a lot of reward. I'm just waiting for the industrial buff that never comes .
The mining buff I'm hoping for is a change of game mechanics, that will permanently thwart bots. It'll make mining require more attention, somehow (it has to, in order to achieve the goal of thwarting bots), but with bots gone, mineral prices will inevitably go up. |
Tierius Fro
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:34:00 -
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You can always count on a mining thread to include those who tell you they don't like mining. |
Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: EnderCapitalG 12-15mil an hour?
And you people are happy with this?
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad The mining buff I'm hoping for is a change of game mechanics, that will permanently thwart bots. It'll make mining require more attention, somehow (it has to, in order to achieve the goal of thwarting bots), but with bots gone, mineral prices will inevitably go up.
Making all the miners drop from 3 or 4 accounts to only 1, costing CCP 15-20% of its active subscriptions and therefore... revenue.
Which is why it isn't going to happen.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.06.10 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tierius Fro You can always count on a mining thread to include those who tell you they don't like mining.
I don't like mining.
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Zag'mar Jurkar
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Zag''mar Jurkar on 10/06/2011 12:24:02
Originally by: EnderCapitalG 12-15mil an hour?
And you people are happy with this?
12-15mil an hour 3/4-AFK is more than satisfying.
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