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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:28:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Also, Mittens doesn't represent you to CCP. He represents Goons.Which means Goons are controlling your game. Just thought I'd remind you of that.
1: For some reason I like Mittens.
2: Jokes aside, statements like that will ensure that he won't be re-elected. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:31:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:If Sreegs says this is a bad thread it must really be a bad thread Or maybe he had a bad day at work, who knows.
Please give it a break. It`s not like you have smth to loose if this turns bad. Only a better, bottless game.
Ofc now a goon is needed that knew a bot and was rejected from the alliance because he tried to identify it.
Giving ISKies for to betray you alliance. This ofc after a dev/gm states clearly that threatening a person not to reveal a bot is wrong doing and is punishable with ban.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
49
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:33:00 -
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Actually...the unfortunate fact of the matter is that because the Goon powerblock is what got him elected the first time he will likely get elected again in the same way. Unless every remaining player in EvE actually votes and doesn't vote for him he will again be the chairman. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
111
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:43:00 -
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Homo Erectus wrote:f the coordinated wrong and the definition rewrite. how about a 30 byte addendum to the eula with something to the effect of "we reserve to smack the **** out of groups who condone or look the other way concerning botting". I'm sure your lawyers can reword that with style.
ps. the Somethingawful children are coordinated tick spawn, just as Eve University are coordinated puppy farts (re: powerblock issue voting).
We already reserve that right... |
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:49:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Also, Mittens doesn't represent you to CCP. He represents Goons.Which means Goons are controlling your game. Just thought I'd remind you of that. 1: For some reason I like Mittens. 2: Jokes aside, statements like that will ensure that he won't be re-elected.
Yeah Goons aren't actually controlling the game and it's a rather old meme so I think it's time that one goes into the dustbin of history Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
N1gella Laws0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:51:00 -
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inb4 CCP lies, goon lies, botter lies.
Oh wait.
also sack GM Rust. He's a ******* spastic. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
30
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:18:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Also, Mittens doesn't represent you to CCP. He represents Goons.Which means Goons are controlling your game. Just thought I'd remind you of that. 1: For some reason I like Mittens. 2: Jokes aside, statements like that will ensure that he won't be re-elected. Yeah Goons aren't actually controlling the game and it's a rather old meme so I think it's time that one goes into the dustbin of history
Edit: Yeah, if memory serves that originally was a bobism... which puts it's creation at roughly the same times as the invention of dirt. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
We already reserve that right...
Expression of curiosity: weren't you leader of the Goons in EVE once?
Request for verification of personal reminiscence: Didn't you claim that your aim was for the Goons to "break EVE" or something?
Eager questioning: What happened with all that, and how come you're working for CCP now - and how can we trust you that your not still interested in "breaking EVE"? |
Jita Alt666
284
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:34:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
We already reserve that right...
Expression of curiosity: weren't you leader of the Goons in EVE once? Request for verification of personal reminiscence: Didn't you claim that your aim was for the Goons to "break EVE" or something? Eager questioning: What happened with all that, and how come you're working for CCP now - and how can we trust you that your not still interested in "breaking EVE"?
Because the company that makes the game hired him. Or do you believe that CCP are so terrible they would actively hire people they know who are going to aim to destroy their products?
Also as he said himself : (paraphrased) "If you don't believe us that is your problem, get out side and take the tinfoil hat off"
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:40:00 -
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Surely this entire topic comes down to asking this:
Bots are often initially identified to CCP thanks to the report of a third party. If a corporation, alliance or any other coordinated group has a policy of knowingly granting safe harbor to bots by the use of in-game mechanics to protect their activities, does this equate to a rule violation by those enforcing that safe harbor policy?
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As a side note, can someone explain to me why they think that severely reducing botting would kill off the amount of EvE subscribers? Are the majority of these botting accounts not paid for by PLEX? |
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Jita Alt666
284
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:41:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Surely this entire topic comes down to asking this:
Bots are often initially identified to CCP thanks to the report of a third party. If a corporation, alliance or any other coordinated group has a policy of knowingly granting safe harbor to bots by the use of in-game mechanics to protect their activities, does this equate to a rule violation by those enforcing that safe harbor policy?
To which the CCP guy has said: if there is evidence email us and we will take care of this.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:48:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Homo Erectus wrote:f the coordinated wrong and the definition rewrite. how about a 30 byte addendum to the eula with something to the effect of "we reserve to smack the **** out of groups who condone or look the other way concerning botting". I'm sure your lawyers can reword that with style.
ps. the Somethingawful children are coordinated tick spawn, just as Eve University are coordinated puppy farts (re: powerblock issue voting). We already reserve that right...
ok then stop with the fluffy posturing and push their stuff in. the goon memo is apples to apples and not only is it an admission of looking the other way, it's a threat of punishment if someone doesn't. and at this point you can follow up with the virtual groin kick with a real life finger to mittins. $$ in the pocket bringing them in, now you look like hostages.
i honestly dont see how you people aren't as tossed off in your ccp offices about this as we were when your internal **** got out. the csm czar supposed to be representing us to you, clowning us both.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:53:00 -
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Consider this an official GSF response to this garbage thread.
We do not condone botting. We think it is destructive to the game. We tell people not to bot and strongly discourage it because it's stupid and easily caught, not to mention it cheapens the effort of players who play the game the way it was meant to be. We are also not CCP's policemen. It is not our job to police botting or EULA breaking activities in the game, this is CCP's job. CCP Sreegs is doing a wonderful job policing this and we support his actions. Asking a playerbase to police EULA infractions is dumb and it is not our place. There is a report bot mechanism, we encourage people to use it. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:54:00 -
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to put our policy in perspective last time there was a whole "report botters" thing we wound up with a director getting reported for botting and I think getting a temp ban
that would be fine if he hadn't been sitting in a station and hadn't shot a rat in years
goons being goons if we go "hey, feel free to report/shoot bots" we'll end up with an epidemic of blue on blue shooting and bullshit reporting so we're going to just dump it all on sgreegs lap and make him deal with it instead |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:55:00 -
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then he can deal with it or snort it up his nose as he seess fit |
Homo Erectus
Evolution The Initiative.
35
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:00:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Consider this an official GSF response to this garbage thread.
We do not condone botting. We think it is destructive to the game. We tell people not to bot and strongly discourage it because it's stupid and easily caught, not to mention it cheapens the effort of players who play the game the way it was meant to be. We are also not CCP's policemen. It is not our job to police botting or EULA breaking activities in the game, this is CCP's job. CCP Sreegs is doing a wonderful job policing this and we support his actions. Asking a playerbase to police EULA infractions is dumb and it is not our place. There is a report bot mechanism, we encourage people to use it.
wtf is wrong with you? no one said it was your job you idiot. no one thinks you wear a shiny police-style badge. but, how about this for the CSM badge you do wear (and for the other goonfgt CSM badge):
In what country on this planet do you think an elected official could get away with "I'm not a cop" when he was grilled about not picking up the phone and calling the cops when he saw a hit and run occur in front of his house? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
30
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:03:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:to put our policy in perspective last time there was a whole "report botters" thing we wound up with a director getting reported for botting and I think getting a temp ban
that would be fine if he hadn't been sitting in a station and hadn't shot a rat in years
goons being goons if we go "hey, feel free to report/shoot bots" we'll end up with an epidemic of blue on blue shooting and bullshit reporting so we're going to just dump it all on Sreegs lap and make him deal with it instead
I'm not casting stones specifically at goons with this, your example could be anyone as far as I'm concerned.
1: Because his main hadn't shot a rat in years doesn't mean he does'nt run bots on other accounts.
2: If he hadn't ratted in years on any of his accounts, a CCP investigation would have instantly cleared him. Apparently it did not, so your assertions are in doubt. I'd be willing to go with just not remembering the details clearly (in other words, I'm not lighting a torch and calling you a purposeful liar). To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:06:00 -
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Homo Erectus wrote:
ME CAVEMAN
The years haven't taught you class. Nor style.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution The Initiative.
35
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:08:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:
watch me dodge a valid point like a pro goon forum fgt
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:10:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Weaselior wrote:to put our policy in perspective last time there was a whole "report botters" thing we wound up with a director getting reported for botting and I think getting a temp ban
that would be fine if he hadn't been sitting in a station and hadn't shot a rat in years
goons being goons if we go "hey, feel free to report/shoot bots" we'll end up with an epidemic of blue on blue shooting and bullshit reporting so we're going to just dump it all on Sreegs lap and make him deal with it instead I'm not casting stones specifically at goons with this, your example could be anyone as far as I'm concerned. 1: Because his main hadn't shot a rat in years doesn't mean he does'nt run bots on other accounts. 2: If he hadn't ratted in years on any of his accounts, a CCP investigation would have instantly cleared him. Apparently it did not, so your assertions are in doubt. I'd be willing to go with just not remembering the details clearly (in other words, I'm not lighting a torch and calling you a purposeful liar).
I think he got hosed by a 'temp ban first, investigate later' sort of thing, which would be in line with a lot of internal complaining about people who have fallen afoul of ccp when they shouldn't have
i mean our finances are public you can see for yourself we couldn't care less how much people rat, legitimately or not: we have technetium (and a lot of it) and ratting income is just a handy faucet for keeping the main wallet at a good level while tech income is directed elsewhere
in other words, it saves me a single "transfer money" command every week or two, that's about it |
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
48
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:12:00 -
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Homo Erectus wrote: wtf is wrong with you? no one said it was your job you idiot. no one thinks you wear a shiny police-style badge. but, how about this for the CSM badge you do wear (and for the other goonfgt CSM badge):
In what country on this planet do you think an elected official could get away with "I'm not a cop" when he was grilled about not picking up the phone and calling the cops when he saw a hit and run occur in front of his house?
Homo Erectus wrote:Vile rat wrote:
watch me dodge a valid point like a pro goon forum fgt
observed
/facepalm
While there are evidently quite a number of us that believe botting is a rampant problem in today's EVE and that we should ALL be doing more to stamp it out, please, don't do us any favors H.E., with friends like you, who needs enemies?
TLDR You are making the rest of us look bad, please stop. ...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Homo Erectus
Evolution The Initiative.
41
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:18:00 -
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i'm no one's friend and as vile rat knows i've never tried to be.
but don't alt-backup a goon csm post when they get called out. you put on the csm badge, don't pull the "we're not policemen"
No, you're not, and no one said you were, and no one elected you to be. But leading a 50,000,000 conglomeration of zombies with a "we're not policemen, and look the other way at blue bots" doesn't make anyone with 2 eyes happy. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:29:00 -
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Homo Erectus wrote:i'm no one's friend and as vile rat knows i've never tried to be.
but don't alt-backup a goon csm post when they get called out. you put on the csm badge, don't pull the "we're not policemen"
No, you're not, and no one said you were, and no one elected you to be. But leading a 50,000,000 conglomeration of zombies with a "we're not policemen, and look the other way at blue bots" doesn't make anyone with 2 eyes happy.
Are you suggesting I allow our guys to take the law into their own hands and shoot allies based on their own opinions? "this jerk who keeps hanging around my ratting spot sure rats a lot, but I want this system I'll say he was a bot and take him out!"
This is not something I condone. Report bots. They have the technical ability to get rid of these jerks. I'm not interested in arbitrating drama. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
48
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:37:00 -
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Homo Erectus wrote:i'm no one's friend and as vile rat knows i've never tried to be.
but don't alt-backup a goon csm post when they get called out. you put on the csm badge, don't pull the "we're not policemen"
No, you're not, and no one said you were, and no one elected you to be. But leading a 50,000,000 conglomeration of zombies with a "we're not policemen, and look the other way at blue bots" doesn't make anyone with 2 eyes happy.
Yes, I'm a Goonie alt, you got me!
Just a second, I fell out of my chair and seem to have pulled a muscle laughing.
As Vile pointed out, giving thousands of players the green light to riddle one another with bullets (in game) for the blanket reason of "they were surely botting!" is nothing short of lunacy.
I do not directly know what goes on with botting at the coalition level, I only know what seems to make sense from a conjectural point of view, and secondhand accounts from people I know, but at the public level, they (Goonies) are just playing with fire, and nothing more, basically the only choice they have to be honest.
Player organizations cannot function in the long term without solidarity of some kind, and giving thousands of players permission to pummel one another for any reason imaginable under the guise of what would amount to a witch hunt, is pretty absurd.
They are taking the lesser of two evils, but Mittani likes making cool story posts, which means people who think or take him at 100% face value are likely to misunderstand the point entirely.
What goes on behind the scenes is anyone's guess, but publicly they have done nothing wrong as far as I am concerned, though I would love if the thousands of members of GSF were capable of policing themselves at an individual level, I have no illusions that hundreds and hundreds of those same members probably have the mental faculties of a goldfish and would just run around shooting anyone that appears to be a carebear at all just for the lulz, so let the high command sort through it all and send it in a big lump report to CCP directly, as noted. ...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Contemno Addo
United Tactical Operations and Manufacturing Externus Hostis
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:41:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Are you suggesting I allow our guys to take the law into their own hands and shoot allies based on their own opinions? "this jerk who keeps hanging around my ratting spot sure rats a lot, but I want this system I'll say he was a bot and take him out!"
This is not something I condone. Report bots. They have the technical ability to get rid of these jerks. I'm not interested in arbitrating drama.
absolutely not what I am suggesting rat. you guys aren't stupid, and you are pretty f'n good at the name and shame game on the series of tubes. but not coming out and blatantly saying "yea the whole look the other way thing was off" is bs. trying to hide behind the goonswarm fleet tag while you wear a csm tag is also bs. botting is in and out of this universe so tackle it on both sides.
keep in mind 2 things:
1) I think it safe to say anyone who knows me knows I hope your in game group of goons dies in a massive lag fire (in game) 2) I want Eve to suck less so I can enjoy it more. If that means I support Goon CSM attempting to make it better, #1 doesn't matter.
If you are looking to box me in with a suggestion you can ****, fine, I'll play. Here's what would happen with a huge alliance I was at the top of, whether i was wearing a CSM tag or not:
Suggest folks report them to you first. Since you've got 7 billion pilots, maybe 5 can step up and give a crap to go through the tiny amount of goonblues actually reporting any goonblue bots. Do about 2 minutes of investigating for yourself, then you do the report bot. Name and shame the ungodly f out of them. Pod and kick.
Yes CCP could probably fix this problem in about 10 minutes if they prioritized to it. Obviously they haven't. So until they do, be part of the solution group instead of part of the "goons look the other way" group. And the more I see you guys only doing what's best for the game when it's best for you or makes you look chipper, the more I want to break you in half. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:43:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I missed the part where it said "Don't report bots." Can you bold it for me?
Omg. You're so fracking dumb. It's perfectly obvious. Do I have to spell it out for you?
Y O U A R E B L I N D.
or i could say, "You have a hard time seeing don't you?" (sarcasm)
See? i said the same thing. Try understanding the english language before you open your mouth again. |
Psychophantic
38
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:46:00 -
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Goonswarm doth protest too much, methinks. |
Homo Erectus
Evolution The Initiative.
41
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:47:00 -
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^^ obviously my alt btw sorry- headed for recruiting fora
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Cydori
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:47:00 -
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Vile rat wrote: We do not condone botting. We think it is destructive to the game. We tell people not to bot and strongly discourage it because it's stupid and easily caught, not to mention it cheapens the effort of players who play the game the way it was meant to be. We are also not CCP's policemen. It is not our job to police botting or EULA breaking activities in the game, this is CCP's job. CCP Sreegs is doing a wonderful job policing this and we support his actions. Asking a playerbase to police EULA infractions is dumb and it is not our place. There is a report bot mechanism, we encourage people to use it.
Your alliance and its members have went to great lengths to convince the rest of EVE that Goons are practiced liars and are never to be trusted under any circumstances. And, over a period of years, we've learned this painful lesson well.
So allow me the conceit of speaking for all non Goons in EVE Online: We don't believe you. You and your CSM chairman, like all Goons, are practiced liars and proud of that fact. Short of outright insanity, what possible motivation would any of us have to believe a word you say now?
The end.
P.S. CCP's willful ignorance of what goes on in its own game is, sadly, of no great surprise. So I take CCP Screegs at his word when he says CCP has no intent of taking any meaningful action unless presented with irrefutable evidence of a coordinated RMT scheme at the corp/alliance level. Which is exactly what all of us expected of CCP prior to this dreary and depressing "debate" about a problem which is manifestly evident to everyone with a functioning brain stem, but which somehow continually seems to elude CCP. The only logical conclusion is that all is working as intended. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:48:00 -
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Satav wrote:Angry, angry words
I don't see any bolded text. I do see CCP Sreegs and Vile Rat both saying that this thread is stupid, though. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
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