Ahem. Why exactly? Because it sure as hell does not have this effect in nullsec, where dockingrights are far from certain.

I agree, but FW is not nullsec. The area is smaller and has quite different mechanics (gate guns, no bubbles or bombs etc). I don't think that aspect of nullsec sov, i.e. docking rights, would be good for the game. FW combat is easier on those who play casually, and should remain so, or at least I think so.

TL;DR, TBH I've only ever docked up in WT space on very few occaions and the chance of this happening isn't that bad for me personally, but I'm worried that people will start getting even more risk shy than they currently are and that FW numbers will drop.

it will accomplish that if you do venture into hostile space, then you better be ready to fight if hostiles show up, rather then just docking up. At least with the changes to log off mechanismes.

This "remove high sec NPCs" crap is just the type of feigned offering no one wants that ppl get pissed about.
-"Hey guys! How about we do this!!!"
-'wtf is this guy talking about, is he on the same plane of reality as we are??'

not to be overly personal. the issues are known, small adjustments could be made. either tackle the problems at hand or don't do anything at all.

Make Faction ships count as T2 in plexes.

That means minor plex defended by Merlins won't get ambushed by drams constantly. (If i'm not completely mistaken about what ship can enter a minor plex).

1st of all, it's not about all highsec NPCs, just the navies. Secondly I'd love to see this change happen, as I think it has wonderful potential as I've stated many times as well. There are others who also have clearly come out in favor of this and I think the numbers for and against aren't far apart but roughly balanced. It would require a much more detailed proposal to actually form a definitive opinion on this.


About the whole docking-at-enemy-stations mechanic currently being discussed: It seems only logical to limit docking rights in stations belonging to the opposing militia (directly) or their allied militia. Not the entire opposing faction, if anything that might be somehow controlled by standings IF (and only if) they ever get an overhaul. Also denying docking right can of course be reduced to denying specific services. It could also mean denying docking rights only if there is an aggression timer on you against the specific corp you're trying to dock with (the 15 min timer obviously, not the 1 minute one)...

Hey guys

Great feedback in this thread. I'm taking a few notes and getting a few ideas.

One thing we might be able to do very easily is remove the faction NPCs, letting you freely travel in other factions space. How would you guys feel about that change? I've always found it a bit sad that we've isolated FW in low-sec when it could be done on a much larger scale.

2. Super caps has never disturbed occupancy war, most of plexes do not let those in anyway.

One thing we might be able to do very easily is remove the faction NPCs, letting you freely travel in other factions space. How would you guys feel about that change? I've always found it a bit sad that we've isolated FW in low-sec when it could be done on a much larger scale.

Is of no consequence since they are making destroyers as powerful as cruisers .. minor's and FW in general will not see a single frigate ever again if the destroyer changes go through 'as is' .. going to be pure dessie spam.

Frankly, this is a horrible idea. We already have FW players camping trade hubs of opposing factions, ganking mission runners and the like.
I don't even think that's necessarily bad - there's an added challenge to it, and an element of surprise to those FW players who think they can just go around in high-sec unpunished.

But why remove focus from the warzones, over which the Factions should be fighting? Is camping Rens / Amarr Prime with BS blobs really more entertaining or a gamestyle that needs to be encouraged? We've got plenty of station hugging with faction BSes and neutral RR already. Faction Warfare doesn't need to be yet another iteration of that. It's ********.

Precisely what he said.

Anyhow, we have tons of systems in FW low sec that is barely used because there is little point into going to them. If plexing was made worthwhile, then that'd force more pvp all over the war zone.

I think the key to fixing FW is to fix the plexing aspect of it. Make plexing matter, give a good reward for doing it, balance the NPCs in the plexes, and make it so that there are plexes that only tech 1 ships can go in, and for god's sakes have the plexes spawn throughout the day instead of mostly just downtime, then FW will be heaps better.

Fixing the plexing mechanics will benefit everyone, the rpers, the plexers, the pvpers, and the carebears.

You'd have to contract your stuff over to an alt to move out? I don't know. I'm not too bothered either way that issue goes tbh.

I do think it could be interesting having to move your stuff around like that, and also plexing would become hard core then because people would want to force occupancy changes. Imagine forcing pilots of Huola or Auga to relocate. That'd be kinda awesome actually.

Lets say I go to bed one night, having a bunch of ships and modules docked up in a station. I wake up the next day, and find that overnight the Amarr have won back sovereignty for that system.

What happens to all my stuff?

I don't really see this being discussed....but it seems to me to be a crucial problem created by such a "fix".

No problem at all just lack of careful planing by You that results in lost stuff.... usual thing at war. That will teach You to be more careful next time. Besides Your stuff is not lost, eventually You will get to it when station will be recaptured.

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