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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:57:00 -
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Kingpin Nil wrote:WeGÇÖre all aware of CCPGÇÖS stance on playing eve while AFK! Botters, warp to zero at the gate exploits all punishable offensives! So why are AFK cloakers getting a free ride? Because they're not doing anything wrong. What kind of silly question is this?
Now, you mentioned that you wanted to solve an age-old problem. What problem is that?
Midiana wrote:The basic problem is NOT the afk cloakers. They have a reason and a job to do. The problem is that A LOT of people log in their cloaker, cloak it, and go to work. This gives them an 8 or whatever hour period where they gain GǪabsolutely nothing. So what's the problem again? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:39:00 -
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Midiana wrote:The problem is that an afk cloaker behaves exactly like a atk cloaker. Actually, no, he doesn't. Even if he did, he can easily be countered in the exact same way: by bringing protection. Most notably, AFKers are very easily identified by the fact that they won't follow you around, so that's another layer of countering and protection available to you.
If you wanted to hard-code a difference into it, then removing them from local is the better way to go and it actually goes after the real problem here: local, and the free intel it provides about targets that people should otherwise be unaware of and when they now instead obsess over for no good reason.
Quote:Eve is a game, its not meant to be played or logged into while your at work. As luck would have it, AFKers aren't playing the game, and they don't gain anything from being AFK. WellGǪ nothing other than what people around them give to them out of their own volition, but that' kind of charity isn't really something CCP can (or should) do anything about and it has nothing to do with their being AFK anyway.
Kingpin Nil wrote:just to recap guys! its still a very much hot topic GǪand that still doesn't make it an actual problem. So again, what's the problem? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:45:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:A simple solution would be to give cloaks a cycle timer, and maybe even a "cooldown" depending on which cloak it is. This is ofc if there actually is a need for a change. How would that change anything without breaking cloaking? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:51:00 -
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Kingpin Nil wrote:you should read the first post! GǪwhich mentions nothing of the kind so that's not particularly helpful.
Quote:how do you tell if someone's playing eve at their keyboard or at work? You check to see if he follows you around.
Quote:its not about changing how the cloak works or how someone can use a cloak! its about removing afk players. Why? What's the problem? It's not like AFKers can do anything or pose any kind of threat. Why are you so hell-bent on removing something that is not even remotely an issue?
Brooks Puuntai wrote:It would make cloaking and going to sleep next to impossible without breaking the EULA. It would also give people a chance to catch cloakers while they are in between timers, and lastly depending on the length of the timers it shouldn't really "break" cloaking. Anything that exposes active cloakers breaks cloaking and severely ruins w-space gameplay. A cycle timer will auto-repeat and won't have any effect on AFK people; a cycle timer that automatically shuts off the cloak after 1 hour (or whatever) will have to have zero cool-down so the active cloaker can double-tap it and keep it going uninterruptedGǪ and AFK cloakers will easily work that in making it a rather pointless addition. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:22:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:This would imply that you should be allowed to be forever invisible. Fancy thatGǪ
Quote:It may actually make cloakers have to do something like jump safes while waiting on the cooldown, or lose eyes for a bit, you know actually being active. Why should they have to do anything like that? If they're AFK, what's the problem, and if they're not, they're active by default.
Kingpin Nil wrote:the whole point of the post is about AFK players! GǪand not about cycles or cool-down timers GÇö things that would break cloaking.
Quote:you are for some strange reason trying to misdirect the thread! Discussing why bad solution to a non-problem causes actual problems for others because it's so bad counts as GÇ£misdirectionGÇ¥ now? No, I'm not. I'm arguing that the whole problem is in your head, and that is where you need to look for a solution.
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:How to spot someone who doesn't understand mechanics or nullsec 101. 1. Cannot provide a good argument why something suggested is good or bad. G£ô 2. Assumes that nullsec should provide automated safekeeping. G£ô 3. Shows unawareness of the side-effects of any change proposed across all kinds of space. G£ô
Yup. You're quite easy to spot. Akita T, on the other hand, doesn't seem to tick any of those boxes. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:49:00 -
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Kingpin Nil wrote:it's irrenlavent because my argument inst about reds making locals paranoid its about addressing being AFK GǪand the question we keep coming back to is: why does being AFK need to be addressed? What's the problem with people being AFK when they're doing absolutely nothing while they're away? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.23 10:55:00 -
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Kingpin Nil wrote:ItGÇÖs about going AFK and abusing the use of the cloak! GǪand those are issues, why exactly? How is the cloak being abused?
Quote:Nothing I have proposed would change the cloak as it stands! You mean aside from the idea you proposed in the OP?
Quote:The same arguments are being used again and again for no reason Well, why don't you stop doing that then and instead start to address the many many issues people have been bringing forth about your ideas? Why don't you start answering the fundamental questions about this whole problem you're seeing? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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