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Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:49:00 -
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Check out the chart. But more importantly, check out the impact on ice mining The New Order is having on the number of people mining the Blue Ice belts in Gallente Space:
Just one of the New Order's killboards
Just a question of time before this supply squeeze feeds through to Jita market prices. Buy it now. |
Saul Voss
TWiZTED CHAOZ
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:53:00 -
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Yeah tbh, although this game is hardcore, this just went too far. |
Tesal
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:55:00 -
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Oh no. Now I have to panic buy. QUICK. |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:35:00 -
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Saul Voss wrote:Yeah tbh, although this game is hardcore, this just went too far.
You're entitled to your opinion. But I am pretty sure I predicted the PLEX crash accurately...
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:50:00 -
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Yeah because this is even close to the first Ice Interdiction... |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:53:00 -
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Yeah because this is even close to the first Ice Interdiction...
Hey - Aren't you the Ponzi scheme guy.??
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:01:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote:Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Yeah because this is even close to the first Ice Interdiction... Hey - Aren't you the Ponzi scheme guy.??
Bad rebuttal is bad. They don't have near the capabilities that the planners of the 1st Ice Interdiction had and ultimately will make no more than a ripple in the overall market. Thanks for putting on the market savant tinfoil hat and trying to make some claims though. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:01:00 -
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Ponzi Scheme Guy vs Market Manipulation Guy.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:07:00 -
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Bad rebuttal is bad. They don't have near the capabilities that the planners of the 1st Ice Interdiction had and ultimately will make no more than a ripple in the overall market.
This is all perfectly true. It's a good thing, then, that the purpose of the New Order isn't to affect oxygen isotope prices, but rather to enforce compliance with the Code. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Wescro
Dreamscape Technologies
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:08:00 -
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We've already had a measurable effect on the price of White Glaze during our operations in Caldari high-sec, as I outlined in my post on the OFFICIAL New Order forums. You have a keyboard. Use it, or lose your mining ship.http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:29:00 -
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Wescro wrote:We've already had a measurable effect on the price of White Glaze during our operations in Caldari high-sec, as I outlined in my post on the OFFICIAL New Order forums.
Like I said, a ripple in the overall market. Combine limited ganking with knowledge of impending ganking and a decent pile of ISK to manipulate the market = short-term ripple.
The undue panic buying of Nitrogen Isotopes that occurred between the 7th to the 11th is what actually moved the market. Why people get nervous when they hear Ice and ganking is beyond me when it doesn't involve an organization organically large enough to move the markets on its own. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:43:00 -
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Well of course, everyone knows that James315 is really just Mittani in disguise, which means that the New Order members are agents of us goons whether they know it or not, which means the organization has the full backing of Goonswarm. Ergo, Oxytopes are about to spike.
Or something. I'm not so good at this conspiracy theory thing. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:10:00 -
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what a shi-Ątty pump and dump attempt |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:45:00 -
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yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost. |
Wescro
Dreamscape Technologies
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Posted - 2013.01.14 04:45:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost.
Ice prices won't rise more than 30% because that's the yield difference between a mack and a skiff? That's some bizarre logic.
You do realize that:
- The skiff has a smaller cargohold and therefore requires a lot more warping in and out, which is why macks outnumber skiffs by far. Which means there will be less people mining since it requires more effort.
- Even if we disregard the first point and assume that all miners will be willing to switch to the skiff, will they be able. The New Order routinely hits miners for more than a billion ISK in ship and implants.
- The price of ice must also be affected by the demand for new ships, both for mining and ganking. Some manufactures produce in POSes, which require fuel blocks that require ice. This is an indirect rise in demand.
Now throw in the proud carebear motto of "WHAT HAPPEN!?" and massive speculative buying.
I don't know how high the prices will go but I'm pretty sure they aren't capped at 30% by some invisible hand. You have a keyboard. Use it, or lose your mining ship.http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Count of MonteCylon
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:00:00 -
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So is this suicide ganking or are they somehow getting the miners to attack them? Buff Low-Sec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2400257#post2400257 |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:03:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote:But I am pretty sure I made a thread about plex
Fixed.
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:09:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost.
I accept your compliment, thank you thank you.
P.S. every miner has to have a backup barge ALWATS, and guess what its gotta be?
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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:13:00 -
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Kara Books wrote: P.S. every miner has to have a backup barge ALWATS, and guess what its gotta be?
Ill take retreiver for 200 alex |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
336
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:28:00 -
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retrievers are gangable, therefore having that as the backup ship could mean ending up begging for free stuff in channels.
the correct answer is not retreiver |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:30:00 -
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Buy that **** |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:35:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:retrievers are gangable, therefore having that as the backup ship could mean ending up begging for free stuff in channels.
the correct answer is not retreiver
they used to cost 4m also
mining frigate army |
GreenSeed
154
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:06:00 -
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Wescro wrote:GreenSeed wrote:yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost. Ice prices won't rise more than 30% because that's the yield difference between a mack and a skiff? That's some bizarre logic. You do realize that:
- The skiff has a smaller cargohold and therefore requires a lot more warping in and out, which is why macks outnumber skiffs by far. Which means there will be less people mining since it requires more effort.
- Even if we disregard the first point and assume that all miners will be willing to switch to the skiff, will they be able. The New Order routinely hits miners for more than a billion ISK in ship and implants.
- The price of ice must also be affected by the demand for new ships, both for mining and ganking. Some manufactures produce in POSes, which require fuel blocks that require ice. This is an indirect rise in demand.
Now throw in the proud carebear motto of "WHAT HAPPEN!?" and massive speculative buying. I don't know how high the prices will go but I'm pretty sure they aren't capped at 30% by some invisible hand. "a lot more warping"
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it needs 3 extra minutes of downtime every 30 minutes... whoop dee doo!
mines 58 cubes/h with a ******** tank on, 64 with a more reasonable one. compared to the 72/h a paper tanked mackinaw mines.
a 1mn mwd skiff can fly at 484ms stable with 108kehp, and that's adding a negligible 50kmass to a 10m mass ship (the mwd doesn't change orbit , or align speed.) unlike the mack, it has a monster buffer, more than enough for the "mythical" AFK miner, or even a bot to turn on overloading on the mid rack, . so yeah, forget it, you can't kill a skiff. at least not in a sustainable and reliable way.
and i see your "WHAT HAPPEN!?" motto and i raise you "LOL I DON'T CARE IF I LEFT MY SKIFF FLOATING ON THE ICEBELT 2 HRS WITH THE CARGO FULL BECAUSE I CANT DIE LOL".
highsec miners don't care for yields so long as they are safe, this has been proven time and time again with the nerfs to highsec that have done nothing to have carebears leave it.
and lets not forget that the same tools that allow the new order to "solo" gank a mack with 3 dessies are available to miners... so there's 0 increase in effort if the miner has two skiffs, or ten thousand.
and about that yield value cap i mentioned.
lets just say that if mass botters, the ones that infest highsec belts, still use macks its because the cost of losing them is not enough to make replacing them for skiffs better than just moving to another faction ice. the one thing that was pointed out to james on the first halaima IPO call was that the moment there's any obstacle on mining, botters are the first to leave, but the moment the units of ice break a certain threshold, botters are the first to come back.
its the way of the world, as soon as mining blue ice in a safe skiff with lower yield is more profitable than macks on any other faction, botters will switch to it, and kill any chance of the ore to increase in price past that point.
there's room for speculation, of course, but as far as a real change on volumes, no. don't make the mistake of thinking that your efforts are in any way similar to the ones pulled by the goons on the interdiction.
seriously, james needs to distance himself from the gankers, they are bad for business. so long as miners don't feel that sacrificing yield for a skiff is desirable they will keep mining on macks and they will keep getting bumped and randomly ganked if they don't pay... i guess its time to cash out of the Halaima miner bumping bonds...
your third point has no particular importance on blue ice, as it affects the consumption of all ice, and considering the goons got half of highsec to switch towers already... its even less relevant now. and your second one... well.. what are you taking about? 100m grows on trees nowdays, and for any self respecting "bulk miner" losing a few billon isk is nothing but a bump on the road, even if you take everything away from them, they can be back in macks by the end of the day by just mass mining on ventures.
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Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:35:00 -
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Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards. |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:05:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
Your mom is a trashy skank and you were raised on crack *******. (Forum moderators, please note that he informed me of his permission for me to say what I wanted, and therefore I am only following a dialogue he sanctioned.)
Also, lols at another new order isk grab scheme. bet this one is doing almost as well as your ganking insurance one hmm? |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.01.14 13:27:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
please, do point at the part where i said prices wouldn't rise... i was giving my view on how prices rising will only make botters jump in skiffs and completely disregard your attempts at Roleplaying in local.
hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:23:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote: hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss.
how would rebalance of mining barges make bumpers see the real Eve?
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Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:43:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
Your mom is a trashy skank and you were raised on crack *******. (Forum moderators, please note that he informed me of his permission for me to say what I wanted, and therefore I am only following a dialogue he sanctioned.) Also, lols at another new order isk grab scheme. bet this one is doing almost as well as your ganking insurance one hmm?
I'm sorry, but that is really uncalled for. I have nothing to do with any corp, except my own. I am merely making the observation, that the supply squeeze is beginning to have an effect. Surely you can't be upset by that?
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:02:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
1. No its not, its basicly on the same level f++r 2 month now 2. 1 isk price increase does not automaticly mean its the beginning of an apocalyptic price increase
TL-DR one more oxytop manipulation attempt
shar'ra phone home |
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:09:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
1. No its not, its basicly on the same level f++r 2 month now 2. 1 isk price increase does not automaticly mean its the beginning of an apocalyptic price increase TL-DR one more oxytop manipulation attempt
Lol. You people are slightly paranoid
Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are.
Now, it may be that the miners have just moved on to other systems (to mine for Nitrogen Isotopes possibly?), but the fact remains that there are a lot less people mining Blue ice now that a few weeks ago. You can't tell me that won't eventually have an impact on prices.
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