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Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:49:00 -
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Check out the chart. But more importantly, check out the impact on ice mining The New Order is having on the number of people mining the Blue Ice belts in Gallente Space:
Just one of the New Order's killboards
Just a question of time before this supply squeeze feeds through to Jita market prices. Buy it now. |
Saul Voss
TWiZTED CHAOZ
0
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:53:00 -
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Yeah tbh, although this game is hardcore, this just went too far. |
Tesal
166
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:55:00 -
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Oh no. Now I have to panic buy. QUICK. |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:35:00 -
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Saul Voss wrote:Yeah tbh, although this game is hardcore, this just went too far.
You're entitled to your opinion. But I am pretty sure I predicted the PLEX crash accurately...
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:50:00 -
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Yeah because this is even close to the first Ice Interdiction... |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:53:00 -
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Yeah because this is even close to the first Ice Interdiction...
Hey - Aren't you the Ponzi scheme guy.??
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:01:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote:Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Yeah because this is even close to the first Ice Interdiction... Hey - Aren't you the Ponzi scheme guy.??
Bad rebuttal is bad. They don't have near the capabilities that the planners of the 1st Ice Interdiction had and ultimately will make no more than a ripple in the overall market. Thanks for putting on the market savant tinfoil hat and trying to make some claims though. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
305
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:01:00 -
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Ponzi Scheme Guy vs Market Manipulation Guy.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
379
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:07:00 -
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen wrote:Bad rebuttal is bad. They don't have near the capabilities that the planners of the 1st Ice Interdiction had and ultimately will make no more than a ripple in the overall market.
This is all perfectly true. It's a good thing, then, that the purpose of the New Order isn't to affect oxygen isotope prices, but rather to enforce compliance with the Code. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Wescro
Dreamscape Technologies
126
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:08:00 -
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We've already had a measurable effect on the price of White Glaze during our operations in Caldari high-sec, as I outlined in my post on the OFFICIAL New Order forums. You have a keyboard. Use it, or lose your mining ship.http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
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Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:29:00 -
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Wescro wrote:We've already had a measurable effect on the price of White Glaze during our operations in Caldari high-sec, as I outlined in my post on the OFFICIAL New Order forums.
Like I said, a ripple in the overall market. Combine limited ganking with knowledge of impending ganking and a decent pile of ISK to manipulate the market = short-term ripple.
The undue panic buying of Nitrogen Isotopes that occurred between the 7th to the 11th is what actually moved the market. Why people get nervous when they hear Ice and ganking is beyond me when it doesn't involve an organization organically large enough to move the markets on its own. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:43:00 -
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Well of course, everyone knows that James315 is really just Mittani in disguise, which means that the New Order members are agents of us goons whether they know it or not, which means the organization has the full backing of Goonswarm. Ergo, Oxytopes are about to spike.
Or something. I'm not so good at this conspiracy theory thing. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
19
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:10:00 -
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what a shi-Ątty pump and dump attempt |
GreenSeed
154
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:45:00 -
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yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost. |
Wescro
Dreamscape Technologies
126
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Posted - 2013.01.14 04:45:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost.
Ice prices won't rise more than 30% because that's the yield difference between a mack and a skiff? That's some bizarre logic.
You do realize that:
- The skiff has a smaller cargohold and therefore requires a lot more warping in and out, which is why macks outnumber skiffs by far. Which means there will be less people mining since it requires more effort.
- Even if we disregard the first point and assume that all miners will be willing to switch to the skiff, will they be able. The New Order routinely hits miners for more than a billion ISK in ship and implants.
- The price of ice must also be affected by the demand for new ships, both for mining and ganking. Some manufactures produce in POSes, which require fuel blocks that require ice. This is an indirect rise in demand.
Now throw in the proud carebear motto of "WHAT HAPPEN!?" and massive speculative buying.
I don't know how high the prices will go but I'm pretty sure they aren't capped at 30% by some invisible hand. You have a keyboard. Use it, or lose your mining ship.http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Count of MonteCylon
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:00:00 -
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So is this suicide ganking or are they somehow getting the miners to attack them? Buff Low-Sec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2400257#post2400257 |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
11
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:03:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote:But I am pretty sure I made a thread about plex
Fixed.
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
336
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:09:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost.
I accept your compliment, thank you thank you.
P.S. every miner has to have a backup barge ALWATS, and guess what its gotta be?
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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
11
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:13:00 -
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Kara Books wrote: P.S. every miner has to have a backup barge ALWATS, and guess what its gotta be?
Ill take retreiver for 200 alex |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
336
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:28:00 -
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retrievers are gangable, therefore having that as the backup ship could mean ending up begging for free stuff in channels.
the correct answer is not retreiver |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1004
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:30:00 -
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Buy that **** |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
12
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:35:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:retrievers are gangable, therefore having that as the backup ship could mean ending up begging for free stuff in channels.
the correct answer is not retreiver
they used to cost 4m also
mining frigate army |
GreenSeed
154
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:06:00 -
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Wescro wrote:GreenSeed wrote:yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.
oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.
i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)
and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost. Ice prices won't rise more than 30% because that's the yield difference between a mack and a skiff? That's some bizarre logic. You do realize that:
- The skiff has a smaller cargohold and therefore requires a lot more warping in and out, which is why macks outnumber skiffs by far. Which means there will be less people mining since it requires more effort.
- Even if we disregard the first point and assume that all miners will be willing to switch to the skiff, will they be able. The New Order routinely hits miners for more than a billion ISK in ship and implants.
- The price of ice must also be affected by the demand for new ships, both for mining and ganking. Some manufactures produce in POSes, which require fuel blocks that require ice. This is an indirect rise in demand.
Now throw in the proud carebear motto of "WHAT HAPPEN!?" and massive speculative buying. I don't know how high the prices will go but I'm pretty sure they aren't capped at 30% by some invisible hand. "a lot more warping"
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it needs 3 extra minutes of downtime every 30 minutes... whoop dee doo!
mines 58 cubes/h with a ******** tank on, 64 with a more reasonable one. compared to the 72/h a paper tanked mackinaw mines.
a 1mn mwd skiff can fly at 484ms stable with 108kehp, and that's adding a negligible 50kmass to a 10m mass ship (the mwd doesn't change orbit , or align speed.) unlike the mack, it has a monster buffer, more than enough for the "mythical" AFK miner, or even a bot to turn on overloading on the mid rack, . so yeah, forget it, you can't kill a skiff. at least not in a sustainable and reliable way.
and i see your "WHAT HAPPEN!?" motto and i raise you "LOL I DON'T CARE IF I LEFT MY SKIFF FLOATING ON THE ICEBELT 2 HRS WITH THE CARGO FULL BECAUSE I CANT DIE LOL".
highsec miners don't care for yields so long as they are safe, this has been proven time and time again with the nerfs to highsec that have done nothing to have carebears leave it.
and lets not forget that the same tools that allow the new order to "solo" gank a mack with 3 dessies are available to miners... so there's 0 increase in effort if the miner has two skiffs, or ten thousand.
and about that yield value cap i mentioned.
lets just say that if mass botters, the ones that infest highsec belts, still use macks its because the cost of losing them is not enough to make replacing them for skiffs better than just moving to another faction ice. the one thing that was pointed out to james on the first halaima IPO call was that the moment there's any obstacle on mining, botters are the first to leave, but the moment the units of ice break a certain threshold, botters are the first to come back.
its the way of the world, as soon as mining blue ice in a safe skiff with lower yield is more profitable than macks on any other faction, botters will switch to it, and kill any chance of the ore to increase in price past that point.
there's room for speculation, of course, but as far as a real change on volumes, no. don't make the mistake of thinking that your efforts are in any way similar to the ones pulled by the goons on the interdiction.
seriously, james needs to distance himself from the gankers, they are bad for business. so long as miners don't feel that sacrificing yield for a skiff is desirable they will keep mining on macks and they will keep getting bumped and randomly ganked if they don't pay... i guess its time to cash out of the Halaima miner bumping bonds...
your third point has no particular importance on blue ice, as it affects the consumption of all ice, and considering the goons got half of highsec to switch towers already... its even less relevant now. and your second one... well.. what are you taking about? 100m grows on trees nowdays, and for any self respecting "bulk miner" losing a few billon isk is nothing but a bump on the road, even if you take everything away from them, they can be back in macks by the end of the day by just mass mining on ventures.
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Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:35:00 -
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Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards. |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
57
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:05:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
Your mom is a trashy skank and you were raised on crack *******. (Forum moderators, please note that he informed me of his permission for me to say what I wanted, and therefore I am only following a dialogue he sanctioned.)
Also, lols at another new order isk grab scheme. bet this one is doing almost as well as your ganking insurance one hmm? |
GreenSeed
154
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Posted - 2013.01.14 13:27:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
please, do point at the part where i said prices wouldn't rise... i was giving my view on how prices rising will only make botters jump in skiffs and completely disregard your attempts at Roleplaying in local.
hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
477
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:23:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote: hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss.
how would rebalance of mining barges make bumpers see the real Eve?
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Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:43:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
Your mom is a trashy skank and you were raised on crack *******. (Forum moderators, please note that he informed me of his permission for me to say what I wanted, and therefore I am only following a dialogue he sanctioned.) Also, lols at another new order isk grab scheme. bet this one is doing almost as well as your ganking insurance one hmm?
I'm sorry, but that is really uncalled for. I have nothing to do with any corp, except my own. I am merely making the observation, that the supply squeeze is beginning to have an effect. Surely you can't be upset by that?
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
325
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:02:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
1. No its not, its basicly on the same level f++r 2 month now 2. 1 isk price increase does not automaticly mean its the beginning of an apocalyptic price increase
TL-DR one more oxytop manipulation attempt
shar'ra phone home |
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:09:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Tarlo Intaki wrote: Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
1. No its not, its basicly on the same level f++r 2 month now 2. 1 isk price increase does not automaticly mean its the beginning of an apocalyptic price increase TL-DR one more oxytop manipulation attempt
Lol. You people are slightly paranoid
Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are.
Now, it may be that the miners have just moved on to other systems (to mine for Nitrogen Isotopes possibly?), but the fact remains that there are a lot less people mining Blue ice now that a few weeks ago. You can't tell me that won't eventually have an impact on prices.
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
325
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:19:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote:Lol. You people are slightly paranoid Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are.
why would I listen to some random people whining about random stuff in a random system when I can just check the price literally with 1 click in jita?
btw. just between my last post and this one the price dropped for a cple isk even...so yeah, op failed shar'ra phone home |
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:35:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Tarlo Intaki wrote:Lol. You people are slightly paranoid Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are. why would I listen to some random people whining about random stuff in a random system when I can just check the price literally with 1 click in jita? btw. just between my last post and this one the price dropped for a cple isk even...so yeah, op failed
You seem angry.... So very angry..... Got a few Gallente towers somewhere?
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
325
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:00:00 -
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im simply able to make a price check without hurting myself. Dont ask me how you look like if your not able to do the same. Invested all your one and a half isk in oxytopes he? too bad shar'ra phone home |
elder troll
Big Diggers C0NVICTED
1
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:57:00 -
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If oxygen isotopes are going to explode, and you are indeed going to try and make a profit. Why would you post it on the forums, for everyone to see, causing the prices to drop? |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:19:00 -
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elder troll wrote:If oxygen isotopes are going to explode, and you are indeed going to try and make a profit. Why would you post it on the forums, for everyone to see, causing the prices to drop?
I am not sure you understand simple market dynamics.....
Anyway - not long now.
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GreenSeed
154
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:01:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:GreenSeed wrote: hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss.
how would rebalance of mining barges make bumpers see the real Eve?
did you finish high school? your reading comprehension is terrible. |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
13
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:28:00 -
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Well he could be a madman or a manipulator but lets face it things are fairly peaceful and that means a lot of towers start poping up like spring buds after the ravages of winter and it's not like the price could get much lower.
There has been a bit of movement, though I wouldn't call it pressure exactly... |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
12
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:49:00 -
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OP States there is less people mining now because of "flashy" reds in local & harassment etc.
OP believes this has decreased the supply, however;
- OP is obviously close minded and believes his "prime time" to be were all minerals are extracted. (Guessing american) - OP had no idea how many miners were there Before his 'new order' alt became flavor of the month
With no prior knowledge of 'Before' these are assumptions.
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Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.15 05:39:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:OP States there is less people mining now because of "flashy" reds in local & harassment etc.
OP believes this has decreased the supply, however;
- OP is obviously close minded and believes his "prime time" to be were all minerals are extracted. (Guessing american) - OP had no idea how many miners were there Before his 'new order' alt became flavor of the month
With no prior knowledge of 'Before' these are assumptions.
1. The decrease in supply is obvious - not just in Jita. 2. The OP is not American (Capital A). 3. Prime time is not a subjective thing depending on where you yourself happen to live. Just look at the server numbers to see the peak in concurrent users. 4. OP alts have been operating in Gallente space since 2004, so I think I have some idea. How can you possibly claim to know what I knew when!?? That whole concept is bizarre, and frankly just nonsense. 5. Stop suggesting I am part of the New Order. I am an independent operator, just making observations. The EVE crowd honestly has to be the most paranoid bunch of people in any game out there.
P.S. When you say "close minded", I believe what you meant to say was "closed minded"..... |
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire Blazing Angels Alliance
107
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:54:00 -
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A sure sign to know when a thread lacks content and value is when it derails and people start to discuss the grammar in the posts instead |
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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
13
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Posted - 2013.01.15 07:52:00 -
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When are Arsenal going to spend in the transfer market? |
Kaaii
Kaaii-Net Research Labs KAAII-NET
25
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Posted - 2013.01.15 09:25:00 -
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"Maybe if we built a giant wooden badger......." |
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:10:00 -
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I guess if you look at the graph for the price of oxygen isotopes, it definitely looks like it cant go any lower from here, which in turn means it can only go up, so it's like buying a lottery ticket with no risk of losing anything.
Once it flattens out at a low level, then eventually it will jump again. Same happened in nitrogen isotopes a couple of times. I think the OP is probably on to something.
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
326
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:13:00 -
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Tarlo Intaki wrote: I guess if you look at the graph for the price of oxygen isotopes, it definitely looks like it cant go any lower from here, which in turn means it can only go up, so it's like buying a lottery ticket with no risk of losing anything.
Once it flattens out at a low level, then eventually it will jump again. Same happened in nitrogen isotopes a couple of times. I think the OP is probably on to something.
yea even the last guy in here must have noticed that you invested in Oxytopes,...really not a big secret. nonetheless I must inform you that your reasoning starts to sound a bit "desperate".
tell us, why cant the price drop even further? is there a bareer that stops it from dropping?... no there isnt, Oxytopes have been a lot cheaper in the past aswell (IIRC 320isk pre ice interdiction?)
it can go up in the future, sure! But it doesnt have to, and so far there is simply no sign for that at all. And personnly its nothing I would invest in, there are at least 2.429.304 items in the game that have greater potencial atm ;)
shar'ra phone home |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
13
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Posted - 2013.01.15 14:36:00 -
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Well thanks for taking the time to count them... |
Ricky Pickering
Tri Star Productions
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:03:00 -
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I've been wondering about an investment in Isotopes recently. Although I'm on the lower end of the traders in terms of capital (10-20 billion), I've thought about putting some of my money in Isotopes. The way I see it, it seems to be a safe investment as the market has sort of hit a very stable bottom on many of them. It seems like they're already incredibly low. Would any of you agree on isotopes being a safe investment or would you dispute that?
Also, I noticed the gigantic spike that took place maybe 8-10 months ago. The market has seen a very consistent downward trend since then. Was this do to the changes in mining barges? Thanks! |
RomeStar
Astra Research
112
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:56:00 -
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it was only a matter of time before the cancer of The New Order spraed to other sections of the forums. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Andrian Caldar
Caldari Star Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:43:00 -
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Screw it. I'll have me some.
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Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:18:00 -
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Here it comes....
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
61
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Posted - 2013.01.16 04:42:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:what a shi-Ątty pump and dump attempt
Sounds like my grandfather after mexican night. |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
102
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Posted - 2013.01.16 05:40:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote: Here it comes....
Its not going to affect ice like the intervention did.
Half of their kills have strips on (ie if they kill 20 miners a day, they are only killing 10 ice miners a day), they don't have 24hr presence in the belts as goons did, so there will be gross periods of not harrassing miners and many miners who are never harrassed by them, and they aren't interdicting the islands.
I stuck an alt in a 100k ehp skiff expecting a warzone and hoping for schadenfreude into brap, and instead of getting to tut-tut smugly down my nose at macks with terrible fits being catalyzed, I got to sigh at my yield and pulled 4mil/hr whilst the macks pulled 7m/hr. There was not a catalyst to be seen. |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.16 09:27:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Gilbert Intaki wrote: Here it comes....
Its not going to affect ice like the intervention did. Half of their kills have strips on (ie if they kill 20 miners a day, they are only killing 10 ice miners a day), they don't have 24hr presence in the belts as goons did, so there will be gross periods of not harrassing miners and many miners who are never harrassed by them, and they aren't interdicting the islands. I stuck an alt in a 100k ehp skiff expecting a warzone and hoping for schadenfreude into brap, and instead of getting to tut-tut smugly down my nose at macks with terrible fits being catalyzed, I got to sigh at my yield and pulled 4mil/hr whilst the macks pulled 7m/hr. There was not a catalyst to be seen.
I never mentioned the words 'Ice Interdiction', or Goonswarm (which is what I think you might be referring to). You don't need a huge interdiction effort to move prices. Although, this time prices will of course move a lot less.
What your seeing now is a substitution of miner efforts from Oxygen Isotopes to Nitrogen Isotopes. And given that markets are often quite precariously balanced in EVE (precisely because substitution to other activities is so easy), it doesn't take much of an effect at the fundamental level to shift prices at trade hubs by quite a lot.
I reckon the price could easily go to 500, and at that point it is not inconceivable that it goes beyond that as people start hoarding.
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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
13
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Posted - 2013.01.16 10:26:00 -
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Just buying 10mil in Jita now would do that and that isn't inconcievable. I think most pos and cap owners build up their emergency stores when prices seem to be at their lowest, just in case...
Around 600 is the new norm imho with relative peace and healthy production/positivity, I know it was lower once (1+ year) but recent history and inflation and the ever present threat of things going silly again makes sitting at that level more likely. |
Callduron
159
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:00:00 -
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Props to New Order for simultaneously running a protection scheme where miners can pay to mine ice unmolested and at the same time completely interdicting ice mining. That's some trick! |
Gilbert Intaki
Empire Tax Revenue Service
34
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:05:00 -
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Captain IQ wrote:Just buying 10mil in Jita now would do that and that isn't inconcievable. I think most pos and cap owners build up their emergency stores when prices seem to be at their lowest, just in case...
Around 600 is the new norm imho with relative peace and healthy production/positivity, I know it was lower once (1+ year) but recent history and inflation and the ever present threat of things going silly again makes sitting at that level more likely.
I think most people in EVE are always on the back foot about these things, because of that little thing called 'Real Life', so I am not sure people display as much foresight as one might think.
But ultimately - markets will move if people think they will move. It's all about perception in the short term. |
Bob Killan
Dzark Asylum
4
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:34:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote:Captain IQ wrote:Just buying 10mil in Jita now would do that and that isn't inconcievable. I think most pos and cap owners build up their emergency stores when prices seem to be at their lowest, just in case...
Around 600 is the new norm imho with relative peace and healthy production/positivity, I know it was lower once (1+ year) but recent history and inflation and the ever present threat of things going silly again makes sitting at that level more likely. I think most people in EVE are always on the back foot about these things, because of that little thing called 'Real Life', so I am not sure people display as much foresight as one might think. But ultimately - markets will move if people think they will move. It's all about perception in the short term.
Too true. All markets are human invention. Money is an imaginary item created to help trade. Money only has the value that the users attribute to it. A fair price is a indication that 2 (or more) entities agree the price is fair. A fair market price is an extention of that involving many more than 2 parties. The fair price on any market can be manipulated quite sucessfully up or down using a combination of money and confidence/scare mongering. Most people are less than intellegent. Few people are leaders. Many people are sheep. Sheep follow leaders. Money makes leaders. Lack of money makes sheep. Invested money can create confidence. 10% of the population control more than 50% of total money. People with money can afford massive advertisements.
TD:LR Every Item in the world including fictional space ship items all have 1 thing in common. If you have the $$$ and the motivations the markets will go where you want them to go.
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Andrian Caldar
Caldari Star Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:59:00 -
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Well - I'm in the money already |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
18
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:56:00 -
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Andrian Caldar wrote:Well - I'm in the money already
At what price did you buy in? |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
326
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Posted - 2013.01.17 06:37:00 -
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well it spiked for a short moment to 482 and dropping already (460 atm). no panic sells or big sales through buy orders, so it realy cant be that much... shar'ra phone home |
Full Metal Jackie
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:07:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:what a shi-Ątty pump and dump attempt I've seen this, "****** pump and dump" in videos around the internet. It involves a turkey baster... |
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Gilbert Intaki
Metalchemy Corporation
34
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Posted - 2013.01.17 21:08:00 -
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Still going.....
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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
19
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:21:00 -
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Gilbert Intaki wrote: Still going.....
At what price point did you buy in ?, if you don't mind me asking.
ATM, someone dumped onto buy orders as immediate, and theres a sell order for 456. 900k units. Sellers a bit more active now than earlier in the week, there's also noticeably more units in between current price & 500 than earlier in the week.
still watching myself, haven't put anything in. really curious to see if the minerbumping flavor of the month has really made a difference to prices. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
738
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Posted - 2013.01.18 14:32:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Well of course, everyone knows that James315 is really just Mittani
That's a joke, right? The Mittani wouldn't demean himself by sending in a bunch of recycle-alts in knee-jerk Catalyst fits. Yeah, he's a totally evil bastard but damn if he doesn't have certain standards & a style about it. Bumptard tactics are simply beneath him.
If The Mittani wanted to shut down a belt he'd come in with a hundred Goons all flying T3 cruisers, nuke every mining ship in the belt in the biggest alpha strike seen this side of a nullsec blob, feeding every one of those T3s to CONCORD and not giving a flying fark about it because that's the kind of terrifying example he would be making.
EvE Forum Bingo |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
297
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:29:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:mynnna wrote:Well of course, everyone knows that James315 is really just Mittani That's a joke, right? The Mittani wouldn't demean himself by sending in a bunch of recycle-alts in knee-jerk Catalyst fits. Yeah, he's a totally evil bastard but damn if he doesn't have certain standards & a style about it. Bumptard tactics are simply beneath him. If The Mittani wanted to shut down a belt he'd come in with a hundred Goons all flying T3 cruisers, nuke every mining ship in the belt in the biggest alpha strike seen this side of a nullsec blob, feeding every one of those T3s to CONCORD and not giving a flying fark about it because that's the kind of terrifying example he would be making.
Sarcasm escapes you; I'm making fun of all the tinfoil-hat ninnys who say exactly that. Although the last time we did shut down the belts, we used catalysts too. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
422
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:32:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:mynnna wrote:Well of course, everyone knows that James315 is really just Mittani That's a joke, right? The Mittani wouldn't demean himself by sending in a bunch of recycle-alts in knee-jerk Catalyst fits. Yeah, he's a totally evil bastard but damn if he doesn't have certain standards & a style about it. Bumptard tactics are simply beneath him. If The Mittani wanted to shut down a belt he'd come in with a hundred Goons all flying T3 cruisers, nuke every mining ship in the belt in the biggest alpha strike seen this side of a nullsec blob, feeding every one of those T3s to CONCORD and not giving a flying fark about it because that's the kind of terrifying example he would be making. Sarcasm escapes you; I'm making fun of all the tinfoil-hat ninnys who say exactly that. Although the last time we did shut down the belts, we used catalysts too. Well considering the GOONS have several thousand catalysts and Talos sitting in Jita left over from the Burn Jita Campaign they need to use them to gank something.
Ganking freighters is just making them too much isk, to the point where the ship stockpiles are not being depleted.
Another ICE interdiction would be a good use for those ships. But I expect it is more of a "been there, done that" thing, they will use them eventually. Just not until some new ganking/interdiction plan gets thought up. Maybe they could use them to shut down Faction Wars. A 200 man fleet of Goons in catalysts swarming around FW space killing everyone on both sides. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
300
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:19:00 -
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Burn Jita was actually tornadoes and thrashers. Blaster ships are better for lower security levels since CONCORD is slower and so your high DPS lets you deal more damage, but jita and the most populated surrounding systems we worked in then are all .8 and .9, so alpha is the name of the game.
And we're long since out of tornadoes anyway. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
23
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Posted - 2013.01.21 07:14:00 -
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k, so were at 440 isk p/u
myth busted? |
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