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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:36:00 -
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So, everyone knows about ISK farmers.. Item Sellers, and ISK sellers... And how they plague this game and every other MMO.
Solution -
CCP should add a secondary market which deals in Real Money. So people can buy and sell every item in game.. for cash.
* Obviously Margin trading is not allowed in this Market :P.
* CCP would obviously get a cut of the % of profit.
*** CCP and the Player both make money, and "External" RMTers can't function anymore because of this market sicne player prices will always be lower then outside illegal website prices. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:44:00 -
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No, never. Pay to win is stupid and destroies games Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:51:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:No, never. Pay to win is stupid and destroies games
Its not pay to win.... You still have to train the skills in eve to use anything.. jeez...
You can buy all the battleships you like, fat lot of good it will do you if you can't even get into it.
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Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:56:00 -
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Do you sit and think thoroughly before posting?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=193026
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2456598#post2456598
Please stop driving the good ideas into the second page, stop posting this drivel or at least, if you're gonna keep doing it, bump the good threads. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:58:00 -
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That's not really a solution to the problems caused by RMT. That's making it legal and encouraging more of it. Personally I'd hate to see CCP go down this road and it attracts the worst type of people to a game. Games should be games and not jobs or income sources. PLEXes already provide a good alternative for people who want to buy ISKies and all the profit goes to CCP instead of a small cut. People who want to make a living playing EVE shouldn't be catered to in any way. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.14 02:53:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:That's not really a solution to the problems caused by RMT. That's making it legal and encouraging more of it. Personally I'd hate to see CCP go down this road and it attracts the worst type of people to a game. Games should be games and not jobs or income sources. PLEXes already provide a good alternative for people who want to buy ISKies and all the profit goes to CCP instead of a small cut. People who want to make a living playing EVE shouldn't be catered to in any way.
While I would agree with you in general, The truth is Games are jobs for a lot of people. And RMT will happen whether CCP chooses to allow it or not, this simply ensures CCP gets a cut of the profits, and makes it a lot harder for the external RMT traders to amke a profit.
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Sean Parisi
Meridian Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:16:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:That's not really a solution to the problems caused by RMT. That's making it legal and encouraging more of it. Personally I'd hate to see CCP go down this road and it attracts the worst type of people to a game. Games should be games and not jobs or income sources. PLEXes already provide a good alternative for people who want to buy ISKies and all the profit goes to CCP instead of a small cut. People who want to make a living playing EVE shouldn't be catered to in any way. While I would agree with you in general, The truth is Games are jobs for a lot of people. And RMT will happen whether CCP chooses to allow it or not, this simply ensures CCP gets a cut of the profits, and makes it a lot harder for the external RMT traders to amke a profit.
Yes the will of a minority should ruin the game for the majority. PLEX works because it is players trading something of equal value. RMT would divide the market and ruin the game. I don't care if some idiots job is to play the game and do that for the rest of his life, we shouldn't have to cater to his play-style at the expense of everyone else's. |
Commander Ted
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
406
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:44:00 -
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Oh yeah because this worked so well for diablo III. *sarcasm https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:39:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Oh yeah because this worked so well for diablo III. *sarcasm
Actual RMT is not why Diablo failed.
Diablo 3 failed because of Blizzards **** poor release and non caring attitude toward fixing it. They released it and no one could log in for 6 months after release. That's what killed it.
Blizzard had over 2,000,000 people ready to play and excited about it. You should read the forums on blizzards main site sometime, you'll see it had 0 to do with the RMT and that players as a whole LOVED the idea. And even dureing the hard times players did not complain about the rmt market, They complained about the servers constantly crashing, hackers hacking accounts, and the servers being down for weeks on end.
And um.. I also know this because I was one of the people who were working to fix Blizzards mistakes on it after it released. So I had to read everything the players wrote on about it.
After we figured out blizzard had already made its money on the sales and didn't give a ****, we walked off the project.
But anyway back on topic, No it had absolutely nothing to do with the RMT market. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1047
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:42:00 -
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Would never happen. Much for the same reasons game companies would not condone RMT. It brings the game world into the real world. Which opens a can of worms both legal, and regulatory,which is made even more complex due to its international nature.
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:24:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Would never happen. Much for the same reasons game companies would not condone RMT. It brings the game world into the real world. Which opens a can of worms both legal, and regulatory,which is made even more complex due to its international nature.
Using Paypal as the 3rd party transfer service solves those issues. Thats what Blizzard did |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:09:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Commander Ted wrote:Oh yeah because this worked so well for diablo III. *sarcasm Actual RMT is not why Diablo failed. Diablo 3 failed because of Blizzards **** poor release and non caring attitude toward fixing it. They released it and no one could log in for 6 months after release. That's what killed it. Blizzard had over 2,000,000 people ready to play and excited about it. You should read the forums on blizzards main site sometime, you'll see it had 0 to do with the RMT and that players as a whole LOVED the idea. And even dureing the hard times players did not complain about the rmt market, They complained about the servers constantly crashing, hackers hacking accounts, and the servers being down for weeks on end. And um.. I also know this because I was one of the people who were working to fix Blizzards mistakes on it after it released. So I had to read everything the players wrote on about it. After we figured out blizzard had already made its money on the sales and didn't give a ****, we walked off the project. But anyway back on topic, No it had absolutely nothing to do with the RMT market.
I call bullshit, specifically on that 6 months figure. I own a copy of Diablo III which I had preordered and picked up from the store within a week of launch. I never, ever, ever had any issues logging in a playing, and by the time I'd brought it home from the store the login issues were largely solved.
In addition, you clearly know nothing about the potential legal and regulatory issues of making an international EVE Real Money Market. Just using Paypal as the payment processor does not solve any of those potential issues, and would not make sense since CCP already uses a payment processor of their own when you pay for game time
But that's a different discussion, and you're a flat out idiot for even suggesting this. I'm making a note of your name and placing a 5 million ISK bounty upon your head.
In short: Bad idea, and I encourage everyone to place a bounty on this fool's head.
E: In addition, your poor grasp of the mechanics of the English language further convinces me that you are of subnormal intelligence and are either mistaken or lying in regards to working for Blizzard. If you find the latter to be insulting, I encourage you to post verifiable photographic evidence of your employment by Blizzard. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
95
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:22:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Commander Ted wrote:Oh yeah because this worked so well for diablo III. *sarcasm Actual RMT is not why Diablo failed. Diablo 3 failed because of Blizzards **** poor release and non caring attitude toward fixing it. They released it and no one could log in for 6 months after release. That's what killed it..
You couldn't log in because blizzard was releasing a plethora of patches daily to it.
First it was the rebalance daily patching. To keep AH viable they released knee jerk after knee jerk balance patches. Barb fit A is op and farming like crazy....patch Monday to shut it down. Now the sorc buld B is op, patch tuesday.
Wedneday would be something different, the loot/ drop/xp patch to fix farming instance xyz in chapter abc.
Thursday...security patch since the AH had blizzard on the top of every script kiddies radar. D3 was my first ever hacked account in several years of online gaming. It drew the haxors in like flies to crap.
Friday....wtf now Barb build B is farming bad, patch that one as well.
Next monday....start up the patching again. All to keep the AH viable.
To keep from abuse blizzard was patching way too damn much. Why eve doesn't need this. It has pve way more readily farmable. To keep the AH legit, it would involve bring in the knee jerk patching. While I'd prefer the rebalance patching comes sooner, I appreciate its well testedl when it hits in eve (people cba to play on sisi thats on them). I also appreciate the fact ccp focuses on balance based on pvp not pve.
And it be nerf via pve with an AH. I could give a rats ass if a CNR pilot spams rats like no tomorrow....until a pve inspired patch breaks its torps or makes lol cruise even more lol for pvp use. |
Sam Korak
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.14 09:19:00 -
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Sorry but this is the worst idea ever, honestly. |
Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:34:00 -
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Really bad idea.
I will tell you what would happen if CCP include a kind of RMT.
All highly expensiv faction and T2 BS, T3 Cruiser and Capitals, which normally coast arround 500 to 1.500 million ISK or 1 to 3 Plexs or 20 to 45 Gé¼ (or respectivly other currencies), would be sold for real money. Why the heck should I if i want to sell one of these ships sell them for ISK-¦s. This would result in a lot more Carebearers, because no one would risk a ship which is worth over 20 Gé¼. Also you now can use Plexes to get ISK to buy ships, you do more or less nothing more then paying the subscription fee for an other player. But there is no way to legally get money out of playing eve. Proposal T2 BS Class Juggernaut |
MortisLegati
Caldari War Materiel
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:37:00 -
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PLEX /thread |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:49:00 -
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No.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
430
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:12:00 -
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Would ruin the games economy..
Extremelly extremelly stupid idea..
We already have a very elegant way to do RMT without ******* up the market and that is plex. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:59:00 -
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Not empty quoting. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
43
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:05:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Would ruin the games economy..
Extremelly extremelly stupid idea..
We already have a very elegant way to do RMT without ******* up the market and that is plex.
Plex isn't RMT however, Because RMT specifically deals with "Player" profits. When Client side. Yuo would need to sell your ISK to be an RMTer for example.
CCP is an RMTer and makes Profits through Plex, as this is simply them selling ISK for Real Money. Not the player.
Plex is also sold by external non CCP organizations. so are Items, ISK, and other things. Even Accounts.
RMT will happen in every MMO no matter what the company does to try and stop it, and anyone who has done any research knows you can make some REAL money with Eve online. Its ISK is the highest valued currency of any MMO at 12.00 to 15.00 US per Billion. (If you sold it).
This is Money CCP should get, not some random website owner or External RMTer.
*** My goal with this suggestions was to help eliminate "External" RMT.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1378
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:06:00 -
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Hey, why don't CCP sell bots while they're at it? After all, it'll bring botting in-house and CCP can get a cut of the profit!
And while we're there, how about CCP sell access to other people's accounts too? It'll cut down on the out-of-game hackers since they won't be able to compete with the sanctioned version, and more money for CCP! Everyone's a winner! Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1378
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:07:00 -
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(what I'm saying is that your idea is bad and you should feel bad) Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:12:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:(what I'm saying is that your idea is bad and you should feel bad)
If my Idea is bad, MMO companies all over would not be implementing such systems.
A lot of people said F2P was a horrible Idea, yet it is now the standard type of MMO. With only a few exceptions, such as WoW and Eve Online.
MMO's across the world are switching to free to play, many of them are also designing and implementing Internal RMT systems.
Apparently, It is a very profitable and "Good" Idea. Why else would Billion dollar companies do it? |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2013.01.15 05:55:00 -
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Jesus christ, with every post you make I'm spending more and more ISK on a bounty for you.
Please stop, this is just an awful idea in general.
To address your points about F2P: Most 'F2P' MMOs are actually Pay2Win or Pay2TakeOffYourHat (lookin' at you, SWTOR). There are very, very few successful, well-regarded, and FUN F2P MMOs on the market. Your argument that because other MMOs are going F2P and enacting internal RMT, CCP should do so as well is fallacious and contrary to the spirit of EVE.
Why should CCP follow the crowd? They have a dedicated, loyal fanbase for their flagship product BECAUSE of their tendency to not do what Fantasy MMO #167895 does.
Sure, internal developer-built RMT is profitable - but since when was CCP owned by a faceless mass only interested in profits? You clearly do not understand EVE's culture nor CCP's culture and business practices.
Your bounty now sits at a cool 13 million ISK. If you continue to shitpost and try to push CCP-run RMT, I will gladly expend all the considerable amount of ISK to my name to make your death ingame a profitable endeavor. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:30:00 -
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Awsome, I'm in a bounty hunting corp, You wont be the first, and not the last. we all have bounties for killing and podding Bad people in shiny ships.... Nice mods by the way, thnks for the loot. |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:49:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Awsome, I'm in a bounty hunting corp, You wont be the first, and not the last. we all have bounties for killing and podding Bad people in shiny ships.... Nice mods by the way, thnks for the loot.
Funny story, actually, you had zero bounty on you when I placed a bounty on your head for being an incorrigible idiot.
As for your "thanks for the loot" comment, I invite you to look at my killboard. What's that? No kills by you or any other member of your pissant k-space corp?
You are neither as intelligent nor as badass as you think you are, chumbucket. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:54:00 -
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Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Awsome, I'm in a bounty hunting corp, You wont be the first, and not the last. we all have bounties for killing and podding Bad people in shiny ships.... Nice mods by the way, thnks for the loot. Funny story, actually, you had zero bounty on you when I placed a bounty on your head for being an incorrigible idiot. As for your "thanks for the loot" comment, I invite you to look at my killboard. What's that? No kills by you or any other member of your pissant k-space corp? You are neither as intelligent nor as badass as you think you are, chumbucket.
Lols, I have 5 accounts, really you must not have been playing Eve very long or you'd know not to judge people by the character they post with on the forums. Generally speaking Its a bad idea to post here with your mains (Unless your Like Chribba), and if you don't know why then talking to you about this is pointless. |
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