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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:35:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:No I'm afraid that implants need a substantial nerf in order to even the playing field. With so many new players coming in we can't have this kind of lopsided arrangement. Sure we can, since the advantage isn't so big that it can't be compensated for with ease through other means.
The only game I've come across where there's such a good parity between old and new characters is Planetside, largely because it followed the same design of shallow/wide ability trees (albeit on a much on a much smaller scale).
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:54:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:That being the case then the mechanical advantage provided by skills, implants, and equipment is irrelevant. It should be done away with entirely. Why?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:10:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:OK, lets just get rid of, implants, and skills that affect hard numbers for gear. Why? Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:40:00 -
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GǪoh, and pop quiz: Guy A has 10M SP and has trained all his skills to V. Guy B has 5M SP and has trained all his skills to IV.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:58:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:So that is 2.57x more eHP and 3.56x more DPS for the guy who stayed with EVE for many years and with only a few of his best friends left, while he gets attacked by countless noobs, year after year, who not only come with their spaceships but also want to see his bonuses removed. GǪput another way: the best you can ever be with the fit in question GÇö something that takes significant time to accumulate GÇö gets killed by three players who have been in the game for zero seconds and who had to use devh4x to get into the ships to begin with. Yeah, that's a massive, insurmountable, and deeply unfair advantage from all those skills alrightGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:28:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Anywho, let me flip the question: if the "massive, insurmountable, and deeply unfair advantage" you speak of is so negligible in reality, why are "old hands" with said SP advantage soooooooo reluctant to give it up? Because SP creates choices and planning and distinguishes one character from another. It's what forces characters to complement each other rather than do everything. It is GÇö counter-intuitively enough GÇö what lets new players beat old ones. Removing this by removing the skill advantages breaks some fundamental design elements of the game and makes it much poorer for it.
Also, you're somewhat misrepresenting the point. No-one is denying that skill levels don't create advantages GÇö that's their entire purpose, after all. However, note the wording. I didn't say GÇ£SPGÇ¥ because SP offers no advantages; it only offers the disadvantage of more expensive clones. The reason older players don't want to give up their skill advantage is because they've spent a lot of time and planning to get that versatility. Anyone can quickly and easily match or surpass them in power, because of the double-whammy of diminishing returns, so what they have to play with is a larger set of tools and to be honest, they've earned it. It's an advantage that is trivial to overcome with a bit of clevernessGǪ so that's one more thing the existence of skills promote, rather than vapid and bland cookie-cutter and FOTM builds and strategies.
Quote:The immediate benefit would be the new players would not longer have this to complain about. Why not do it, if it's such a small thing? GǪbecause it removes such a crucial set of elements of the game: decisions, planning, sacrifices, prioritisation, combination, characterisation, and customisation. It makes the game much much worse for no good reason (and no, complaining n00bs is not a reason GÇö the solution to that problem is education, not ruining the game). Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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