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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:No you can't read. Try again. As for anti-sociable... they are plenty sociable. NPC corp chat is booming everyday. They just don't like socializing with you, and that is not the same thing as being "anti-sociable". It just means that they don't like you and/or your establishment. i've been in NPC corp chats on alts and you can go for hours before someone actually pipes up and in the newbie corps, it's generally "how do I fit a drake for pve" - the epitome of socialization in eve online, clearly
It depends on the corp. The one my alt is in is chatty all the time. Its got a 1000 people in it so I suppose it has to be.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Xinivrae
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:41:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:INB4 claim that "All HS Bots are Nullsec alts." Oh Ruby, it's much too late for that. |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:41:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:For the people who keep claiming that Botting is mostly in Nullsec, I'm just going to put this here, from Sreeg's presentation at Fanfest: http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpgMore than 80% of bots are in Empire. INB4 claim that "All HS Bots are Nullsec alts." INB4 'Sreegs is a Goon!'
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:46:00 -
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Anndy wrote:
not sure what you call equal numbers but that was mainly just PL, Raiden and NC., hardly compares to goons numbers
Riddle me this. How does one have a war with the Russian block coalition yet fight no Russians...
Ill give you a hint, you are missing a few key groups here. |
Anndy
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
not sure what you call equal numbers but that was mainly just PL, Raiden and NC., hardly compares to goons numbers
Riddle me this. How does one have a war with the Russian block coalition yet fight no Russians... Ill give you a hint, you are missing a few key groups here.
oh i have no doubt im missing some but doesn't change my point
anyway im out, i've talked to a brick wall long enough for today
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:53:00 -
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Anndy wrote: oh i have no doubt im missing some but doesn't change my point
It kinda does when those forgotten peoples had the bulk of the capital ships and at least 50% of the subcaps. |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:04:00 -
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Hedion's oracle wrote:Ok kids .......pay attention, ill put this simply as possible.........ask yourselfs who would have the assets to supply & build the vast amount of supercaps, factionships and everything else on RMT sites, should be easy enough to figure out.
You have a point...
Makes you wonder...either CCP just doesn't give a damn or they have no clue, because it seems players put their heads together in this thread and came up with some very credible theories that should be investigated. |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:07:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:For the people who keep claiming that Botting is mostly in Nullsec, I'm just going to put this here, from Sreeg's presentation at Fanfest: http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpgMore than 80% of bots are in Empire. INB4 claim that "All HS Bots are Nullsec alts."
My question isn't whether or not bots exist or where. My question is, how can a few mining bots or missioning bots supply enough isk and capital to be able to sell isk, caps, super caps and whatnot on these RMT websites?
It would seem to be that Nullsec would have to play some role as the super coalitions are the only ones I see with operations efficient enough to churn out such a vast amount of isk to sell.
They certainly aren't spending the isk on wars...so then wtf are they spending all the isk on? |
Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr Unknown Phenomena
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:18:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whatayoke wrote:1. Find out how much marauders/any good L4 ships do an hour. 2. a is the amount from 1. a * 23 = b, profit per day 3. b * 30 = c, profit per month 4. lets say an RMTer runs 40 copies of eve in highsec: c * 40, profit from 40 copies per month 5. question solved? You make way more in good areas of null... so no. Not at all. Nice try though.
Just wander through Caldari mission hubs: bots everywhere running 23h30/24. In some systems they are the vast majority of the local population. https://twitter.com/folkvangrcorp GÇö Freyja's space log. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:22:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
They certainly aren't spending the isk on wars...so then wtf are they spending all the isk on?
Tower upkeep, sov upkeep, ship reimbursement, capital assets, jump drive fuel, logistics costs, subsidised skillbooks, PoCo operations, Warchest for when there is a war.
Theres more but you should be getting the idea. |
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:25:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:RubyPorto wrote:For the people who keep claiming that Botting is mostly in Nullsec, I'm just going to put this here, from Sreeg's presentation at Fanfest: http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpgMore than 80% of bots are in Empire. INB4 claim that "All HS Bots are Nullsec alts." My question isn't whether or not bots exist or where. My question is, how can a few mining bots or missioning bots supply enough isk and capital to be able to sell isk, caps, super caps and whatnot on these RMT websites? It would seem to be that Nullsec would have to play some role as the super coalitions are the only ones I see with operations efficient enough to churn out such a vast amount of isk to sell. They certainly aren't spending the isk on wars...so then wtf are they spending all the isk on?
A few? 80% of the bot population is not a few.
An ME3 Aeon has about 1b worth of High End minerals in it, out of a build cost of 18.5b, and since Nullsec is actually less efficient than HS at gathering low end materials (due to the fixed ore proportions provided by hidden belts), there'd be no reason to put your bots in Null if your goal were to build Supers.
A HS Mission bot operation is infinitely extensible (limited only by computing power) and cannot easily be disrupted by players. A -1.0 nullsec system can't support more than ~7-8 Ratting characters at a time, regardless of computing power and a botting operation based there can easily be disrupted by players. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Anndy
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:33:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:RubyPorto wrote:For the people who keep claiming that Botting is mostly in Nullsec, I'm just going to put this here, from Sreeg's presentation at Fanfest: http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpgMore than 80% of bots are in Empire. INB4 claim that "All HS Bots are Nullsec alts." My question isn't whether or not bots exist or where. My question is, how can a few mining bots or missioning bots supply enough isk and capital to be able to sell isk, caps, super caps and whatnot on these RMT websites? It would seem to be that Nullsec would have to play some role as the super coalitions are the only ones I see with operations efficient enough to churn out such a vast amount of isk to sell. They certainly aren't spending the isk on wars...so then wtf are they spending all the isk on?
i was supposed to be done with this but oh well i'll bite
its not really a "few" i'd assume the big RMT players have a pretty big network of bots and its possible they hire people to help manage them but you can also use other sources on top the the botting such as moons and simply skimming corp/alliance isk and assets
an old friend of mine started using mining bots to add to his income shortly after he started playing, after awhile he decided he wanted more isk so he setup a few more bots then he told a few friends how well he was doing which lead some of them to get bots of their own then they started combining the resources from their bots to work on building ships, eventually they got a few ratting/mission bots going then they got into moon mining and before they knew what happened they were rolling in isk and had nothing left to spend it on so they sold some which made them slowly focus on wanting more and more to sell
this eventually lead to quite a few bans but my point is it can start small and grow into something big and the end result could be something never intended, or on the other hand some could just start out big with RMT in mind such as already established farmers from other games
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