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Lucas Peterson
The RedNeck Posse
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:06:00 -
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Say you don't want to have to maintain two accounts at all times to have two decently trained characters. Maybe you want to get a second character trained on one account to be able to do different things once in awhile. Maybe you want to have a character that can scan and do planetary stuff on your account, but don't want to take out two or three months from your main character to train another one.
Instead of training a character on each account to get this accomplished, simply pay another 15 dollars or use a PLEX so you can train two characters on one account at the same time.
Benefits: -Maintain two trained characters at a time without having to pay for both characters indefinitely (paying for both accounts to use both characters) -Don't take time away from your main while training your alt
Drawbacks: -Can't use both characters at the same time -Once you stop paying 15 per month to train a second character, you go back to only being able to train one at a time.
I figured this would be a good idea for people that want to have specialized alts for a few specific things without screwing up the training time on their main. It'd be much better than maintaining two accounts at once until the end of time, just so you can have a specialized character. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
9
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:19:00 -
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Lucas Peterson wrote:Say you don't want to have to maintain two accounts at all times to have two decently trained characters. Maybe you want to get a second character trained on one account to be able to do different things once in awhile. Maybe you want to have a character that can scan and do planetary stuff on your account, but don't want to take out two or three months from your main character to train another one.
Instead of training a character on each account to get this accomplished, simply pay another 15 dollars or use a PLEX so you can train two characters on one account at the same time.
Benefits: -Maintain two trained characters at a time without having to pay for both characters indefinitely (paying for both accounts to use both characters) -Don't take time away from your main while training your alt
Drawbacks: -Can't use both characters at the same time -Once you stop paying 15 per month to train a second character, you go back to only being able to train one at a time.
I figured this would be a good idea for people that want to have specialized alts for a few specific things without screwing up the training time on their main. It'd be much better than maintaining two accounts at once until the end of time, just so you can have a specialized character.
There is no point in doing that unless there is a discount for 2nd/3rd character. You can maintain 2 accounts with very same benefits but without drawbacks. As an additional benefit of having 2 accounts you can take advantage of many promotions such as power of 2 or sidekick. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13978
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:28:00 -
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The thing is, this idea is pointless from the start. No one in their right mind, would pay the same to get less.
As paying less is also a no no, how about you simply get a second account?
Sorted.
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Bum Shadow
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
18
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:35:00 -
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I think a small discount would be fair.
So its -ú10 for a single acount. but to have 2 active slots it comes to a total of -ú18--ú19 or for 3... 26-17 ish.
not a huge discount but something nice for those older players who've supported the game for so long.
Allows you to maybe sub 2 accounts but potentially have 6 active useful characters. Rather than remembering 6 seperate logins and passwords. |
Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:13:00 -
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To be able to manage all toons with a single account would be handy. Not limited to three toons per account, just limited by how much the player is paying for that account. 1plex/mnth = 1 toon, 2 plex ... etc. This would mean the account would need to be able to fire up multiple instances of the eve client. If I'm paying for two live toons I want to be able to use them at the same time. Otherwise the other posters have nailed it. You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13978
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:40:00 -
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Bum Shadow wrote:I think a small discount would be fair. Fair for who exactly? As I and many others would simply drop accounts to utilise this cheap method, I'm against it.
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
VegasMirage
356
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:43:00 -
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So many other features needed in game.
Perhaps, if CCP allowed us to at least switch character training on the same account without having to log off, but even this isn't as critical as other issues. likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
Keeper O'Secrets
Laststar Industries Inc.
12
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:46:00 -
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i would like the option to, for example, pay 1 plex [extra] to activate all 3 training ques for the month - that way ur not paying the same amount than what you would just to have an alt, and allows you to skill a few low skill chars without loosing training time on your main.
first however, we need the ability to switch chars without logging out completely [i believe it was removed due to problems that have since been fixed?], and the ability to remove manage our skills for chars on the same account (for things like training ur 2nd char up)...
+1 tho :) |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1123
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Posted - 2013.02.09 20:05:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:There is no point in doing that unless there is a discount for 2nd/3rd character. You can maintain 2 accounts with very same benefits but without drawbacks. As an additional benefit of having 2 accounts you can take advantage of many promotions such as power of 2 or sidekick.
Sure there is.
There are times you may want an alt. Maybe for a specific purpose. And it may take say 6 months to train that alt. You can get a second account. Train that alt. When you are done do a character transfer back to your original account and let the alt account expire.
This will cost an additional 2 plex (or $25 i think).
Being able to activate a second slot on your account lets you do the same thing without paying for a character transfer.
That being said, the second account, transfer character method is already a functioning mechanic in EVE. Plus CCP gets extra $$$$ for the character transfers. So I am skeptical that they would want to put in the extra time to modify the system to let you just pay for additional slots instead.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.02.09 20:21:00 -
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"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you. |
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VegasMirage
356
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Posted - 2013.02.09 20:32:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you.
CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you?
Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter.
You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:31:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you. CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you? Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter. You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere.
You're using "you're" incorrectly. I understand this. Do you?
When the game was released for public consumption, they changed it so you could only train one character per account. Changed it from allowing multiple characters on the same account to train skills. Changed it from what you proposed based on a business decision and the potential profit of the game. I am not sure they would want to allow this based on the original changes intended to impact the profit of their creation.
I'm not trolling at all. Did you even read my response completely? Or just skim it and see that I was not agreeing with you and then formulate your own condescending remarks towards me?
I was asking you a legitimate question, not trolling. Why would you want to go through the trouble of doing this "6 month on one account then transfer to a 2nd account" mumbo-jumbo? And then not even be able to benefit from being able to fly in space together?
They have all these wonderful "Power of 2" promotions and such. They just had one where you could get 180 days of game time for $49.95. That is the cost of 90 days game time (at the $14.95 cost) plus a measly 5 bucks. So, basically 3 months for 5 bucks after the first initial 3 months.
Are you just against having two full accounts (for some unexplained reason)? Or do you want lower monthly costs all around?
I would ask you directly: What do YOU feel a better monthly cost would be for a 2nd account based on your needs to train 2 characters at the same time?
Thank you.
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VegasMirage
356
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:42:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you. CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you? Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter. You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere. You're using "you're" incorrectly. I understand this. Do you? When the game was released for public consumption, they changed it so you could only train one character per account. Changed it from allowing multiple characters on the same account to train skills. Changed it from what you proposed based on a business decision and the potential profit of the game. I am not sure they would want to allow this based on the original changes intended to impact the profit of their creation. Gamecode aside, I don't feel their decisions based around the profit of the game was "slapped together". I'm not trolling at all. Did you even read my response completely? Or just skim it and see that I was not agreeing with you and then formulate your own condescending remarks towards me? I was asking you a legitimate question, not trolling. Why would you want to go through the trouble of doing this "6 month on one account then transfer to a 2nd account" mumbo-jumbo? And then not even be able to benefit from being able to fly in space together? They have all these wonderful "Power of 2" promotions and such. They just had one where you could get 180 days of game time for $49.95. That is the cost of 90 days game time (at the $14.95 cost) plus a measly 5 bucks. So, basically 3 months for 5 bucks after the first initial 3 months. Are you just against having two full accounts (for some unexplained reason)? Or do you want lower monthly costs all around? I would ask you directly: What do YOU feel a better monthly cost would be for a 2nd account based on your needs to train 2 characters at the same time? Thank you.
thank you for checking my grammar, I think a grammar checker should be a future feature for the forums so people like you can't attempt feeling some personal achievement on a forum thread when there should only be a discussion as to how to improve the game for players
you tell us what CCP is thinking, when you don't work for CCP you use faulty logic, "it's been this way for 9 1/2 years why change it" supporting your reasons for not letting the discussion develop further
you said "YOUR" bit, why not move on and let others develop the idea in a positive direction
the OP is on to something, perhaps not exactly as it will be implemented but then most suggestions rarely are
btw, I forgot some periods, had some run-on sentances and I just spelt the last two words that begin with "s" incorrectly likes watching grown men cry-á (Gò»n+¦Gò¦,) |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:48:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you. CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you? Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter. You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere. You're using "you're" incorrectly. I understand this. Do you? When the game was released for public consumption, they changed it so you could only train one character per account. Changed it from allowing multiple characters on the same account to train skills. Changed it from what you proposed based on a business decision and the potential profit of the game. I am not sure they would want to allow this based on the original changes intended to impact the profit of their creation. Gamecode aside, I don't feel their decisions based around the profit of the game was "slapped together". I'm not trolling at all. Did you even read my response completely? Or just skim it and see that I was not agreeing with you and then formulate your own condescending remarks towards me? I was asking you a legitimate question, not trolling. Why would you want to go through the trouble of doing this "6 month on one account then transfer to a 2nd account" mumbo-jumbo? And then not even be able to benefit from being able to fly in space together? They have all these wonderful "Power of 2" promotions and such. They just had one where you could get 180 days of game time for $49.95. That is the cost of 90 days game time (at the $14.95 cost) plus a measly 5 bucks. So, basically 3 months for 5 bucks after the first initial 3 months. Are you just against having two full accounts (for some unexplained reason)? Or do you want lower monthly costs all around? I would ask you directly: What do YOU feel a better monthly cost would be for a 2nd account based on your needs to train 2 characters at the same time? Thank you. thank you for checking my grammar, I think a grammar checker should be a future feature for the forums so people like you can't attempt feeling some personal achievement on a forum thread when there should only be a discussion as to how to improve the game for players you tell us what CCP is thinking, when you don't work for CCP you use faulty logic, "it's been this way for 9 1/2 years why change it" supporting your reasons for not letting the discussion develop further you said "YOUR" bit, why not move on and let others develop the idea in a positive direction the OP is on to something, perhaps not exactly as it will be implemented but then most suggestions rarely are btw, I forgot some periods, had some run-on sentances and I just spelt the last two words that begin with "s" incorrectly
My "grammar" check was in direct response to your speculation of my understanding of business decisions performed by CCP. Perhaps if you hadn't made personal attacks against me, I might have let your own mistakes slip by.
You only have yourself to blame.
Thank you. |
VegasMirage
356
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:53:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you. CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you? Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter. You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere. You're using "you're" incorrectly. I understand this. Do you? When the game was released for public consumption, they changed it so you could only train one character per account. Changed it from allowing multiple characters on the same account to train skills. Changed it from what you proposed based on a business decision and the potential profit of the game. I am not sure they would want to allow this based on the original changes intended to impact the profit of their creation. Gamecode aside, I don't feel their decisions based around the profit of the game was "slapped together". I'm not trolling at all. Did you even read my response completely? Or just skim it and see that I was not agreeing with you and then formulate your own condescending remarks towards me? I was asking you a legitimate question, not trolling. Why would you want to go through the trouble of doing this "6 month on one account then transfer to a 2nd account" mumbo-jumbo? And then not even be able to benefit from being able to fly in space together? They have all these wonderful "Power of 2" promotions and such. They just had one where you could get 180 days of game time for $49.95. That is the cost of 90 days game time (at the $14.95 cost) plus a measly 5 bucks. So, basically 3 months for 5 bucks after the first initial 3 months. Are you just against having two full accounts (for some unexplained reason)? Or do you want lower monthly costs all around? I would ask you directly: What do YOU feel a better monthly cost would be for a 2nd account based on your needs to train 2 characters at the same time? Thank you. thank you for checking my grammar, I think a grammar checker should be a future feature for the forums so people like you can't attempt feeling some personal achievement on a forum thread when there should only be a discussion as to how to improve the game for players you tell us what CCP is thinking, when you don't work for CCP you use faulty logic, "it's been this way for 9 1/2 years why change it" supporting your reasons for not letting the discussion develop further you said "YOUR" bit, why not move on and let others develop the idea in a positive direction the OP is on to something, perhaps not exactly as it will be implemented but then most suggestions rarely are btw, I forgot some periods, had some run-on sentances and I just spelt the last two words that begin with "s" incorrectly My "grammar" check was in direct response to your speculation of my understanding of business decisions performed by CCP. Perhaps if you hadn't made personal attacks against me, I might have let your own mistakes slip by. You only have yourself to blame. Thank you.
Don't lie you're grammar attack was you're attempt at being... ::smug::
and wipe that ::smirk:: off your face, then all will be well again with the world.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13979
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:55:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:
Don't lie you're grammar attack was you're attempt at being... ::smug::
and wipe that ::smirk:: off your face, then all will be well again with the world.
I'm guessing those were deliberate?
Anyway, the idea is pointless and I do not agree with it being cheaper.
Second accounts it is then.
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.02.09 22:08:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:
Don't lie you're grammar attack was you're attempt at being... ::smug::
and wipe that ::smirk:: off your face, then all will be well again with the world.
I wasn't lying. I clearly stated that my remark about the grammar (not attack) regarding your remark (not attack) about my perception of business decisions were in direct relation to one another.
I am not smirking. You can clearly see that in my portrait. My eyebrows are slightly raised up and the corners of my mouth are turned downward towards the chin and edges of my jawbone. A traditional smirk would find the brows pulled closer to the eyes and the corners of the mouth turned upward towards the cheekbones on one or both sides of the mouth.
Now, let's not further detract from the original discussion of the post. I would hate to be in violation of the forum rules. (A link to these is near the upper right of the page, just in case you are unfamiliar with them.) If you have any other personal remarks (not attacks!) to discuss with me, please use the in-game methods to address them.
Thank you.
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Yes, this was an attempt at humor to hopefully stave off any hostilities between us. And, I do apologize if my comments were condescending or hurtful in any way. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2097
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Posted - 2013.02.09 23:07:00 -
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I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:01:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.
I disagree.
Thank you. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
378
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:55:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. I disagree. Thank you.
Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.02.11 06:42:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. I disagree. Thank you. Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders.
What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level?
Thank you.
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VegasMirage
359
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:13:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. I disagree. Thank you. Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders. What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level? Thank you.
Is that where you get you're smug smartest guy in the room attitude? From being in a 5th grade classroom.
I think the entire multiple account system in Eve is archaic, burdensome and definitely unfinished. Any discussion to promote the possibilities of revamping it are welcomed imo.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:41:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. I disagree. Thank you. Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders. What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level? Thank you. Is that where you get you're smug smartest guy in the room attitude? From being in a 5th grade classroom. I think the entire multiple account system in Eve is archaic, burdensome and definitely unfinished. Any discussion to promote the possibilities of revamping it are welcomed imo.
You are entitled to your opinion. I just thought I would also make an obvious statement.
But, once again. What do you propose as a solution? I don't see any suggestions to this. I see no math listing your suggested costs for this based off of the current costs of a 2nd account. I spent some time explaining the math of the costs for having a 2nd account over a 6 month period (because someone used that timeline in a different example). I feel that you should give precise examples for your suggestions.
As it stands now, with all the fun stuff I mentioned in my other [smug] threads, having the ability to train two characters at the same time would cost a person $14.95 x 5 = $74.75 over the course of 201 days (based on my example of using the Buddy Program and putting the PLEX towards one of the 30 day increments). Without using the Buddy Program, it would cost you $89.70 for 194 days of gametime. And this is the highest amount (based on normal subscription fees). A person can choose to pay upfront for 6 months time for a reduced cost.
Someone suggested using PLEX as the fuel for this service. Is that what you want? So, would that be 1 PLEX for 2 months (60 days)? That would be what? $19.95 x3 = $59.85 to train 2 characters on one account (or using in-game currency to trade for the PLEX). And even lower costs if you bought PLEX in bulk.
So, please. Knock that smug look from my face and put down some real information for your idea that you support so much.
Thank you. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
462
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Posted - 2013.02.11 10:46:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."
"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."
"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."
Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.
Thank you. CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you? Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter. You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere.
How do any of the ideas posted by the OP improve my gameplay?????
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Sol Weinstein wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. I disagree. Thank you. Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders. What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level? Thank you.
I'd say you were lying.
What if I told you I was President of the United States?
Anyone can say anything on an internet message board.
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Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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When I mention PLEX it's a convenient synonym for all payment methods.
One account.
The number of queues available limited by the number of PLEX used on that account. Number of toons on the account unlimited.
Player can have open only the same number of windows as there are available queues on the account. Effectively the same as now with multiple accounts.
If player reduces payment from 3 plex/mnth to 2 the newest toon with a queue stops training and that queue becomes unavailable. That would fit with what I believe was required.
One free transfer to enable players to gather their toons into the main account. Source account has ALL toons transferred and is deleted after transfer.
CCP would lose the income from a player transferring a toon to another of his own accounts. Note: does that happen often? Transfers to other players' account unaffected.
The number of active accounts plummets. Not good marketing for CCP?
Temptation in front of players to activate another queue for THAT toon == more income for CCP?
Hmmm... it's a thought. Don't know how much easier it makes things, if at all. At least for CCP. You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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VegasMirage
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:26:00 -
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Sol Weinstein wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it. I disagree. Thank you. Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders. What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level? Thank you.
You missed the point, the OP said flexibility of adding a 2nd character that has some skills WITHOUT cutting your main chars training time. He did NOT say to have 2 chars training all the time and paying for both monthly.
FOR EXAMPLE, if you were living in a wormhole and you wanted a Starbase Defense char it would take a few months, but you will proly never log onto it unless you're defending your POS. Or in case you're living in a wormhole and want a scanning/probing char in case you get locked out. Why would I want more accounts for something that requires 3-5 million skill points, yes I could just go to the forums and buy 1 but that's an alternative to his proposed addition to the game.
You need to stop playing "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" and just play the game... Eve online. And FFS stop telling us what CCP's profit motives are 10 years ago or today for that matter. You respond more as a corporate apologist than a game subscriber. Spaie? Perhaps.
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:40:00 -
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Great news for the OP
If you have a second account, you are only paying for the training queue.
Sure, it is the full account price, but the second account itself is free so long as you pay for that training queue.
In the event you stop paying for the queue, the account will become inactive.
Kind of all or nothing, but look at the bright side, it meets your interests! Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
VegasMirage
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:44:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Great news for the OP
If you have a second account, you are only paying for the training queue.
Sure, it is the full account price, but the second account itself is free so long as you pay for that training queue.
In the event you stop paying for the queue, the account will become inactive.
Kind of all or nothing, but look at the bright side, it meets your interests!
No it doesn't. Again, say you have 20 jump bridge POS's to maintain and you need that many 5 mill sp toons to anchor/defend/refuel/haul etc., you want to stop your training and start a new char, buy 1 OR start a new account.
You want the char sub'd so you can use it when you want, but you don't want to lose training on your main... so why not pay monthly to train 2 chars on your account... why not?
People who sub an extra account are planning on having a full fledged char they can train indefinitely. Does not meet the OP's needs.
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Lucas Peterson
The RedNeck Posse
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:03:00 -
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Vegas got my point on the matter.
As apposed to training the character on a separate account (no difference in price to my proposed "train two chars on one account" idea) and then having to transfer one of them for an additional fee into the main account, you can simply pay to open up a training slot for the second character in the same account.
And while yes, the "have a second account and then transfer it" method might work, what the heck do you do if you want to train something else on him farther down the road? Say I have a scanning and PI alt on an alt account and transfer him to my main. I keep him for just that for well over a year, after I've transferred him to my main, and don't use him for anything else.
Well then later on, I find that I need an alt to manage my POS stuff, and maybe I need to train him to be able to use a Freighter. Well guess what? Already transferred him. Yaaaaaay. Now if I want to train him without taking training away from my alt, I have to transfer him to a new account AGAIN, spend the extra money that I'd spend if I could open a second training slot on my main, and then when I'm finished transfer him AGAIN.
So lets see... If you want to train them after transfer the first time... That's an extra two transfers... So you've paid for three transfers when you could of just paid for a second training slot on your account the first time.
It sounds a lot more appealing to just have a second training slot on the main account. |
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