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Marie Sklodowska
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:11:00 -
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Do you still believe there isn't any viable isk sinks in game? Have a closer look...
A factory recently unrented itself while I had a freighter in production. I recieved no bill, none, and I checked regularly to make sure it was paid up. Yet the factory still unrented itself and stole 1/2 the items needed to make the ship, screwing me out of approximately 6-700m isk.
I petitioned, and got the usual, we can do nothing. Can you do anything? I file very few petitions, basically only stuck ones, and then this one. Yet even on the stuck petitions I get reponses of "we can't do anything".
So there is your isk sink. Send all your employees on permanent vacations please...
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Lig Lira
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:13:00 -
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Damn that sucks, CCP 4tl.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/08/2005 22:17:26
 Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
Do you still believe there isn't any viable isk sinks in game? Have a closer look...
A factory recently unrented itself while I had a freighter in production. I recieved no bill, none, and I checked regularly to make sure it was paid up. Yet the factory still unrented itself and stole 1/2 the items needed to make the ship, screwing me out of approximately 6-700m isk.
I petitioned, and got the usual, we can do nothing. Can you do anything? I file very few petitions, basically only stuck ones, and then this one. Yet even on the stuck petitions I get reponses of "we can't do anything".
So there is your isk sink. Send all your employees on permanent vacations please...
Except minerals are assets.
Getting rid of minerals gets rid of assets, which actually causes inflation, and makes ISK less valuable.
If you bought the minerals from an NPC, it would be an ISK sink.
I'd keep petitioning if I were you, because thats just stupid.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 15/08/2005 22:15:50
Hmmm... looks like you need to get them to acknowledge it as a bug before it happens...
Then again, its that entire "at the discretion of a GM" thing - I mean I've seen GMs refuse to replace a ship after it magically blew up when the node went down.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:15:00 -
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its not really much of an isk sink though as all you lost was minerals correct? th eisk is still around just your minerals are'nt
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:27:00 -
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This is BAD 
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Shaemell Buttleson
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
its not really much of an isk sink though as all you lost was minerals correct? th eisk is still around just your minerals are'nt
It sank his ISK though!
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sloany
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
A factory recently unrented itself while I had a freighter in production. I recieved no bill, none, and I checked regularly to make sure it was paid up. Yet the factory still unrented itself and stole 1/2 the items needed to make the ship, screwing me out of approximately 6-700m isk.
I've heard of this happening before too, I don't think they got any reimbursment either
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Apocalypse2005
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:37:00 -
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Yep, I know ppl it has happened to.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:20:00 -
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When you rent a factory slot after your wallet blinks go to your wallet anyway and open bills and you will see that you have to take care of another bill. I would pay that one too.
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Lig Lira
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:29:00 -
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Keep bugging them and don't stop!
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Palthos
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Palthos on 15/08/2005 23:32:03
Well, look at it this way, you could have lost a dread. I am waiting for the day when a person screams on the forums about losing 2b worth of minerals to a bug.
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Branmuffin
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:33:00 -
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I am aware of this happenning to other corps (more then once) and there being reimbursement.
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Marie Sklodowska
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Posted - 2005.08.15 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor
When you rent a factory slot after your wallet blinks go to your wallet anyway and open bills and you will see that you have to take care of another bill. I would pay that one too.
...ahem...
Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
I recieved no bill, none, and I checked regularly to make sure it was paid up.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:52:00 -
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all right my bad. though if you knew what should have happenned and it did not then you might have gotten suspicous given the size of the project so i guess in future this is something to look for but then again with the game being constantly patched you might have thought that something changed in game mechanics. i lost either slots or minerals to these things too.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.08.16 00:59:00 -
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Appeal again.
It's worked for me in the past.. some GMs just suck, others can be arsed to do stuff for you.
But damn, this bug is BAD! 
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.16 01:41:00 -
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Keep petitiioning it if its a bug then you should get youre stuff back
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Anna Dia
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Posted - 2005.08.16 04:25:00 -
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i am bumping this to support marie, ccp should give back the stuff 
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Mamer
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Posted - 2005.08.16 07:09:00 -
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I had this happen to me with a Laboratory. I have been keeping up the payments on 5 slots for 6 months and never miss a payment. Never. I am now one short and my typical group of 5 bills show up in the same hour of the same day, and i never thought anything was wrong. I'm just used to seeing them and paying them, not like i count em every time. But in the end, I lost one due to not receiving a bill payment. This needs looked at, rare as it may be, ccp still owes you a refund....or a nicely built freighter for your troubles.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.08.16 07:20:00 -
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It happens to me before and you want get a ****, becouse BLA BLA BLA ... YADA YADA YADA.
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Feronia
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Posted - 2005.08.16 07:51:00 -
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Its not really a bug.
Ever since game release new players had been having problems to find free factories/labs. The reason was people used to rent all the available ones, so other players/corps couldn't be active in the same station. To prevent this CCP introduced a "anti-hoarding"-rule. The idea was that a lab/factory must be used in every rental period, if not the lab/factory would unrent itself at the end of the period, even if you pay the bills.
Some people still think, if they use the lab/factory once every rental period and they pay the bills on time, everything is fine. But its not, here is a fragment from EVE questions and answers:
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When a new bill is issued you will get an evemail from the slot's owners and will have one rental period to pay up. If you do not, the slot will become publicly available at the end of the period. If you are manufacturing an item and don't pay the bill, your blueprint will be ejected and you'll lose half the minerals you were using - so be very careful about watching your bills and paying them in time. Note that the slot MUST be active at the time the billing period changes. If not, the slot will be released and be available to the public.
What really happends is, the server checks your factory at the moment you receive a bill. If your factory is unused at that time, it will unrent itself at the end of the rental period, even if you start using your factory a minute later for a long batch and even if you pay all your bills on time.
The "anti-hoarding" rule used to be very effective to free up unused labs/factories, but because the number of labs/factories in each station has been upgraded, its a bit outdated now.
If you know how the "anti-hoarding" rule works, its not that difficult to avoid unexpected unrentings, here are a few tips:
- Never rent more factories then needed, its better to use 2 labs fulltime, then 4 labs half the rental time. It might involve some more planning, but it reduces the chance of unwanted unrentings. Its also more cost-effective.
- If you get a bill, check the factory first. If its unused and you don't know when the last usage was ended, this factory might be infected with the "anti-hoarding"-virus. You can still use the factory for short batches if they don't exceed the rental period. Longer batches are a big risk. My advise is to unrent this factory and rent it back again.
- If you want to start a long/expensive batch and see you still have a factory rented, but can't remember if it was used or not. Don't use it. Unrent it and rent it again. Its better to spend 40k extra, then to lose 500 mill.
I know it sucks to lose 1/2 of the materials involved, especially when its a freighter. 
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:05:00 -
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Nothing like on the same scale, but i lost ore while building a Ferox, factory unrented itself overnite
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:20:00 -
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If you really need an isk sink, you can always give your money to me and I'll waste it on expensive ships that'll get blown up real quick 
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:34:00 -
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Ahahaha
*Points and laughs*
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Elektra Storm
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:44:00 -
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factorys shouldnt steal your minerals if unrented or they just fail imho.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:52:00 -
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Could this possbily be another installment of an old popular favorite, the "You-paid-the-bill-too-early-and-we-just-don't-care-to-remember-you-paid-at-all" bug?
Then again, why eat half the materials? If they got used up upon installing the job, all would have been lost. If they got used up at the end of the job, none would have been lost. I sometimes wish someone would take a long hard look at how these factories work and decide on a system that makes some sense and really works. At least some of the time.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2005.08.16 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Elektra Storm
factorys shouldnt steal your minerals if unrented or they just fail imho.
Haha, how are you going to kill something you can't even spell? I mean you siggy.
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Phil McAvity
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Posted - 2005.08.16 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Failin Zhar
Originally by: Elektra Storm
factorys shouldnt steal your minerals if unrented or they just fail imho.
Haha, how are you going to kill something you can't even spell? I mean you siggy.
Wow, what do you somke?
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2005.08.17 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
Originally by: Rthor
When you rent a factory slot after your wallet blinks go to your wallet anyway and open bills and you will see that you have to take care of another bill. I would pay that one too.
...ahem...
Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
I recieved no bill, none, and I checked regularly to make sure it was paid up.
I lose factories and labs CONSTANTLY due to this. Lost 2 labs and 1 factory in july infact.
There's a reason why I never build anything with a build time over 15 min min :p
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.08.17 23:22:00 -
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I see your shiploss and raise you blueprint originals disappearing from your personal hangars.
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