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Dominus Immortalus
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:14:00 -
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I'm new to PvP, and I'm going to take the advice of building 20 ships, setting them up, and then flying them. I'm wondering what the best way of going about this would be. Should I put up a buy order for all the ships and modules, or should I fly around trying to find the best prices. I have to be honest, flying around from station to station does not sound fun.
Thanks in advance for any advice. |
Ronix Aideron
The Ugly Ass Kickers Mech Alliance
74
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:23:00 -
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If your trade skills are not decent you won't be able to put up buy orders and purchase remotely from them. I would recommend hitting your closest trade hub and buying the ships. Then moving or having a hauling service move them where you need. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron |
Joantir Sintar
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:29:00 -
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Start off with frigates, choose one that works with your skills e.g missiles or guns I would recommend a merlin as a first ship for you or a kestrel if you want to go missiles.
Check killboards for fitting ideas then just buy the fitting from a trade hub eg Jita as T1 fittings will be super cheap.
[Merlin] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Experimental 1MN Afterburner I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I |
Karak Bol
Crepuscular
66
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:43:00 -
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As the OP seems to be want to safe money, showing him a 10 mil fit seems not the way to go IMHO.
Therefore:
[Merlin, cheap]
Insulated Stabilizer Array I Insulated Stabilizer Array I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Patterned Stasis Web I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Costs 1.5 mil. Just buy a stack in your local hub, haul them to the edge of lowsec and prepare to lose them en mass. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
87
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:50:00 -
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Dominus Immortalus wrote:I'm new to PvP, and I'm going to take the advice of building 20 ships, setting them up, and then flying them. I'm wondering what the best way of going about this would be. Should I put up a buy order for all the ships and modules, or should I fly around trying to find the best prices. I have to be honest, flying around from station to station does not sound fun.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Buy them in Jita, then use Red Frog and/or Black Frog to get them to whatever staging system you are basing from. Once they are there, fit them up as needed (ie don't rig them until you undock it).
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:59:00 -
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What I did was
Do up a cheap fit in EFT. Export fit as XML, import to the client. Go to a trade hub, open the saved fit, rightclick view market details, buy the appropriate quantity of each module, rig and the ship itself. Courier Contract them to your staging system using Black Frog(or Red Frog if you're basing out of highsec) and wait a couple days.
Once they're there you can use the Fitting window to instantly attach the modules and rigs to your ship. Then just remember to rename it to avoid giving your pilot's name away, and off you go :) |
RavenPaine
raven alliance
376
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:02:00 -
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Buy them all in Jita Fit them all in Jita Set yout death clone to a medical station in or near Jita. |
Dominus Immortalus
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.21 02:44:00 -
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Thanks for the advice everyone.
It seems like the advice to stay in Jita might be the cheapest and easiest option right now. I'll import my fit (I had no idea I could do that, by the way, so thanks a lot) and start building the ships.
Thanks again! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1156
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Posted - 2013.03.21 04:11:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Buy them in Jita, then use Red Frog and/or Black Frog to get them to whatever staging system you are basing from. Once they are there, fit them up as needed (ie don't rig them until you undock it).
This man is not wrong. Park one of your two other characters on your account in Jita so that you never have to travel there with your pvp toon. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
392
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:24:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:Buy them in Jita, then use Red Frog and/or Black Frog to get them to whatever staging system you are basing from. Once they are there, fit them up as needed (ie don't rig them until you undock it).
This man is not wrong. Park one of your two other characters on your account in Jita so that you never have to travel there with your pvp toon.
once again some gallente talking about alt play tactics ! |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
679
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:57:00 -
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Karak Bol wrote:As the OP seems to be want to safe money, showing him a 10 mil fit seems not the way to go IMHO.
Therefore:
[Merlin, cheap]
Insulated Stabilizer Array I Insulated Stabilizer Array I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Patterned Stasis Web I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Costs 1.5 mil. Just buy a stack in your local hub, haul them to the edge of lowsec and prepare to lose them en mass.
What an atrociously bad fit... Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
119
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Set up buy orders for the ships and fits you're wanting in advance on a trading alt.
Forget Jita. It's overrated and less convenient for leaving orders to fill in. Use your closest trade hub.
Take advantage of the 'Market Quickbar' and folders for fast mass-ordering.
Forget Red Frog/Black Frog. Again, overrated advice unless you're a power-buyer. Public Contract haulers work for basically nothing, under extortionate amounts of collateral, even if it involves going through low-sec.
Most T1 Indie pilots will be able to move four packaged Frigates with fits as a point of note.
Lastly; if you're keeping Frigates cheap the first things you should consider getting T2 are your weapons and tank. T2 ammo is extremely useful and (opposed to faction which most PvPers will carry anyway) cheap. T2 tank is your next best bet, the higher meta tanking modules that save on PG/CPU tend to run for several million a pop. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:33:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:Buy them in Jita, then use Red Frog and/or Black Frog to get them to whatever staging system you are basing from. Once they are there, fit them up as needed (ie don't rig them until you undock it).
This man is not wrong. Park one of your two other characters on your account in Jita so that you never have to travel there with your pvp toon. once again some gallente talking about alt play tactics ! Wtf are you on about? |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1216
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Posted - 2013.03.22 23:09:00 -
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Dominus Immortalus wrote:I'm new to PvP, and I'm going to take the advice of building 20 ships, setting them up, and then flying them. I'm wondering what the best way of going about this would be. Should I put up a buy order for all the ships and modules, or should I fly around trying to find the best prices. I have to be honest, flying around from station to station does not sound fun.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
I would recommend finding someone who will build them to your specs completely for a fair (read: not basement Jita prices) price and maybe even deliver them to you (in high sec, or use Black Frog to have them delivered to you in low or null).
I can help with that if you'd like; just drop me a line in-game with what you want and I can build a price list for you.
--gb "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.03.23 03:34:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Dominus Immortalus wrote:I'm new to PvP, and I'm going to take the advice of building 20 ships, setting them up, and then flying them. I'm wondering what the best way of going about this would be. Should I put up a buy order for all the ships and modules, or should I fly around trying to find the best prices. I have to be honest, flying around from station to station does not sound fun.
Thanks in advance for any advice. I would recommend finding someone who will build them to your specs completely for a fair (read: not basement Jita prices) price and maybe even deliver them to you (in high sec, or use Black Frog to have them delivered to you in low or null). I can help with that if you'd like; just drop me a line in-game with what you want and I can build a price list for you. --gb
So like, you're hoping to charge him for buying mods in jita and making a contract to red frog?
When he could just have a 0 skill alt in Jita buy stuff for him, or even his main? |
Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
15
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Posted - 2013.03.23 11:14:00 -
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Dominus Immortalus wrote:I'm new to PvP, and I'm going to take the advice of building 20 ships, setting them up, and then flying them. I'm wondering what the best way of going about this would be. Should I put up a buy order for all the ships and modules, or should I fly around trying to find the best prices. I have to be honest, flying around from station to station does not sound fun.
Thanks in advance for any advice. 1. go to jita. 2. buy all ships and mods. 3. join red frog and every other shipping channel there is and spam your +600k per jump contract. 4. lose money on shipping? 5. have all you ships where you need them to be. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2013.03.23 13:01:00 -
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chatgris wrote:
So like, you're hoping to charge him for buying mods in jita and making a contract to red frog? When he could just have a 0 skill alt in Jita buy stuff for him, or even his main?
Its what personal shoppers do. Some people are dead lazy.
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BadFC
BadFleet
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:01:00 -
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Dominus Immortalus wrote:I'm new to PvP, and I'm going to take the advice of building 20 ships, setting them up, and then flying them. I'm wondering what the best way of going about this would be. Should I put up a buy order for all the ships and modules, or should I fly around trying to find the best prices. I have to be honest, flying around from station to station does not sound fun.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
yeah, it's not fun...
if you have the isk for 20 ships and fits, then you can prolly afford the have Red Frog Freight deliver them from a market hub...
Go to Jita, buy all of your ships and modules, then put them on courier contract to your home system. (don't assemble them) |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2013.04.05 20:37:00 -
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Not to be a wet blanket, but if you're new to PVP, you might not want to kit out 20 ships. You'll take one out, go fight, lose (or win), and learn something that will make you change your mind on those other 19 ships.
I've been PVPing on and off (mostly off, lately) since 2003, and I very seldomly will fly a bunch of identically fit ships. Even back when I was fighting in truly disposable frigates, I'd mix them up until I hit upon the loadouts that really worked for me.
Try this, instead. Buy 3 ships. Set them up. Fly them out to where you want to fight. Do your thing. By the time you've run through those 3 ships, you'll have a better idea of what you want to fly and how you want to fit it. Bio and writing |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
197
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Posted - 2013.04.06 09:31:00 -
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The only thing you will learn with the cheap fits is that a 2 mil frigate will die to a 40 mil frigate 100% of the time.
Your opponent will be more experienced, he wll have those skills at level 5, you need the edge with proper fit, implants and drugs.
Or you can just give up, join a big corp and pretend how 10 to 1 fights are "pvp" and how the only fun in this game is circlejerking on killboards. But then you don't even need guns. |
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Remy Duchateau
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Southern Renegades
2
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:59:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Not to be a wet blanket, but if you're new to PVP, you might not want to kit out 20 ships. You'll take one out, go fight, lose (or win), and learn something that will make you change your mind on those other 19 ships.
I've been PVPing on and off (mostly off, lately) since 2003, and I very seldomly will fly a bunch of identically fit ships. Even back when I was fighting in truly disposable frigates, I'd mix them up until I hit upon the loadouts that really worked for me.
Try this, instead. Buy 3 ships. Set them up. Fly them out to where you want to fight. Do your thing. By the time you've run through those 3 ships, you'll have a better idea of what you want to fly and how you want to fit it.
I would even change this a bit more. Buy some of your favourite ships, buy the basic equipment (AB's, MWD's, Webbers, Pointers, Guns, Ammo) and then also buy like 5-10 units of the more useful modules and rigs. This way you can switch or adapt on the fly. I must say this can cost you, especially if you want to use t2 modules.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
2
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Posted - 2013.04.07 23:48:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:The only thing you will learn with the cheap fits is that a 2 mil frigate will die to a 40 mil frigate 100% of the time.
Your opponent will be more experienced, he wll have those skills at level 5, you need the edge with proper fit, implants and drugs.
Or you can just give up, join a big corp and pretend how 10 to 1 fights are "pvp" and how the only fun in this game is circlejerking on killboards. But then you don't even need guns.
That's a sad conclusion to come to.
Other possible things to learn: "Gosh, this 2 mil Rifter is great for pirating miners!"
or "Gosh, this 2 mil Rifter is great for pirating haulers!"
or "Gosh, this 2 mil Rifter is great for learning how to tackle for small gang warfare!"
(or "Gosh, this 2 mil Rifter died to that Vexor - maybe I should stay away from drone carriers...", which is a valuable lesson in and of itself) Bio and writing |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1219
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Posted - 2013.04.08 03:24:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:The only thing you will learn with the cheap fits is that a 2 mil frigate will die to a 40 mil frigate 100% of the time. Along with that, I've learned that three 1.3 million isk atrons will kill a 388 million isk dramiel, and that a few cheap frigates with Loki boosts are devastatingly effective against expensively fit frigates who also have Loki boosts. |
Praxis Ginimic
285
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:30:00 -
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Work with your corp mates and other contacts. Friendly missioners and indi's are a great source for meta, T1 mods & ships. Especially if you have a miner/indi friend who thinks his minerals are free. Take advantage of that stuff. A lot of people discount how valuable good HS contacts can be for this purpose. Try to bargain with an in corp JF or BR pilot for transport to preferred pvp playground. You should also run your chosen fit and tactics by your corp mates and the forums before committing to a purchase. Lots of people have done extensive experimentation with cheap fits and will give valuable advice. Keep in mind that you will have to sort through a mountain of bullsh1t to find those nuggets. Good luck and welcome. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
861
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:37:00 -
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Learning the proper price breaks to suit your pvp style takes time. Its a learning experience.
Most pvpers mainly fly with meta 4 or t2 for a reason. They typically wont fit a ton of expensive faction mods nor will they run with many meta 1 mods. Of course, there are good pvpers who are exceptions to both these rules, but by and large people find the meta 4 and t2 fits to be the best point break.
Sometimes people will use a meta 3 scram that just has a bit shorter range. If they are planning that they will either get in blaster range or bust, the extra range may not really matter. If they just miss tackling a kiter they may change their mind. They may have a lower meta web due to cpu contstaints etc.
Also you will find that occasionally a good faction item will really suit a ship. Like putting a faction web on a daredevil or a deadspace ab on a dram.
Thats really the problem with new players buying a ton of ships before they really have the experience. They should be adjusting their flying style, and likely their fits, as they learn. Even after playing a few years I will ocassionally come up with a fit that I will think is great and after actually flying it, find it doesn't work well. Maybe no one will fight it, or its not as agile as I hoped etc.
I would say bring a few ships and give them a try. And only buy in bulk for ships that have proven their worth. Otherwise try to base near a market so you can make adjustments.
edit: look at the fits on loss mails of good pvpers. Ask yourself how they are likely flying that ship to get kills. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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