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Captain Jackoff
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.15 14:58:00 -
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In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference. |
mydingaling
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:15:00 -
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aww poor baby |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:16:00 -
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Ganking involves loosing a ship (Brutix/Thorax/Tempest/Typhoon, whatever), and getting closer to -10.0 sec status.
That means, you can gank but you'll suffer the consequences.
Working as intended.
Also, tears. Don't provide those, and we'll stop (eventually, cause ganking helpless and worthless pubbies makes us go :smug:).
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Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
65
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:22:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec,
Nope.avi
CONCORD provides consequences, not protection. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:23:00 -
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What CONCORD needs to do is instant warp in regardless of sec status, pop the ship and void the warranty on insurance, and a little something extra for good measure pop the pod with a scrambling ray that fuxxors up your clone regardless if its updated or not, you will still loose SP. As for throw away alts in destroyers, buff exhumers and bargers by a factor of 5x to the hitpoints + 75% resist across the board + another 3 low slots (Bulk Head, Bulk Head, DCU, Inert Stab, Inert Stab = beefy yet almost graceful as a swan when it aligns) )so it takes even more destroyers to get a Hulk (its an MMO, bring friends ). Oh, and another idea I had for laughs is PVE insurance flag for the ship....a 90 period where if your destroyed doing a PVE activity (I know, Battlehulk but thats rare) no kill mail is generated to give them a good kick in the nuts cause they will have proof of their activities |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:29:00 -
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I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such. |
baltec1
92
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:29:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:What CONCORD needs to do is instant warp in regardless of sec status, pop the ship and void the warranty on insurance, and a little something extra for good measure pop the pod with a scrambling ray that fuxxors up your clone regardless if its updated or not, you will still loose SP. As for throw away alts in destroyers, buff exhumers and bargers by a factor of 5x to the hitpoints + 75% resist across the board + another 3 low slots (Bulk Head, Bulk Head, DCU, Inert Stab, Inert Stab = beefy yet almost graceful as a swan when it aligns) )so it takes even more destroyers to get a Hulk (its an MMO, bring friends ). Oh, and another idea I had for laughs is PVE insurance flag for the ship....a 90 period where if your destroyed doing a PVE activity (I know, Battlehulk but thats rare) no kill mail is generated to give them a good kick in the nuts cause they will have proof of their activities
The bitter is strong in this one. |
Captain Jackoff
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:31:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:Captain Jackoff wrote:Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, Nope.avi CONCORD provides consequences, not protection.
Said consequences are all but meaningless. I was right with what I said, concord is supposed to be a deterance, that doesn't mean they will prevent it from happening, but deter people from doing it. Thanks to insurance and the ease of ganking industrial ships, the current concord does not deter nor provide consequence of any worth.
Buffing industrial ship HP sounds like a good start, why are slow, heavy ships that are designed for industrial activities made of paper? Give mining barges and exhumers a 100% hp increase, or give them more a lot more cpu and grid and a few extra mid slots and a 50% hp increase. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
109
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:31:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Also, tears. Don't provide those, and we'll stop (eventually, cause ganking helpless and worthless pubbies makes us go :smug:).
Aqriue wrote:What CONCORD needs to do is instant warp in regardless of sec status, pop the ship and void the warranty on insurance, and a little something extra for good measure pop the pod with a scrambling ray that fuxxors up your clone regardless if its updated or not, you will still loose SP. As for throw away alts in destroyers, buff exhumers and bargers by a factor of 5x to the hitpoints + 75% resist across the board + another 3 low slots (Bulk Head, Bulk Head, DCU, Inert Stab, Inert Stab = beefy yet almost graceful as a swan when it aligns) )so it takes even more destroyers to get a Hulk (its an MMO, bring friends ). Oh, and another idea I had for laughs is PVE insurance flag for the ship....a 90 period where if your destroyed doing a PVE activity (I know, Battlehulk but thats rare) no kill mail is generated to give them a good kick in the nuts cause they will have proof of their activities
This is one form of those tears... and the tastiest kind in fact, because behind the insanity and retardation is that true mad that only crying so hard you can't breathe brings.
90% of it is for the tears, and as said, if they get none, they go elsewhere. Try remember the first rule of Eve(don't fly what you can't lose), and watch the gank objectively, and give an honest opinion of how they might improve next time, or ask them how a certain mechanic that they exploit works. You will probably learn something, and gain some respect. Or, you will get to savor the sweet tears of a balked griefer yourself If this happens, take a good taste, swish them around a little, and see how the taste. And then you will know why tears are so highly in demand o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
499
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:32:00 -
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Yes. It's about time suicide ganking is fixed.
It needs to be much easier than it is right now. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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baltec1
92
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:33:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:
Said consequences are all but meaningless. I was right with what I said, concord is supposed to be a deterance, that doesn't mean they will prevent it from happening, but deter people from doing it. Thanks to insurance and the ease of ganking industrial ships, the current concord does not deter nor provide consequence of any worth.
Buffing industrial ship HP sounds like a good start, why are slow, heavy ships that are designed for industrial activities made of paper? Give mining barges and exhumers a 100% hp increase.
Because every time I undock my industial ships I get attacked.
Oh wai... |
Esagila
22
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:38:00 -
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Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death.
But changing the timer? Maybe they could increase the patrols, so that theyGÇÖre hanging around for a week instead of till downtime after being spawned GǪ with the idea that they shouldnGÇÖt need time to arrive to the scene.
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Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:39:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this..
Its like real life. Cops also usually arrive when you are dead. Fact is Concord cant save you from 1400 mm arty. No one can. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
499
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:41:00 -
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Esagila wrote:Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death. That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
109
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:45:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Captain Jackoff wrote:Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.. Its like real life. Cops also usually arrive when you are dead. Fact is Concord cant save you from 1400 mm arty. No one can. I don't know about elsewhere, but here in the US it has been upheld in court time and again that the police have no obligation to protect you. Their job is to protect society, not individuals, and they are to do that by punishing the bad guys....
Interestingly, this sounds VERY familiar o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:48:00 -
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Exactly. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
5
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:53:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such.
I think suicide ganking is fine, but I think the current mechanic is ridiculous. Miners should have better tanks/ships to combat gankers and gankers shouldn't get an insurance payout.
If you ABSOLUTELY want to kill someone, you should be able to do it no matter where they are, but it should actually cost some isk. Otherwise, it's just stupid. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
5
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Esagila wrote:Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death. That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea.
I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship).
Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:56:00 -
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>Isn't it about time suicide ganking was fixed? (Not removed, just made harder).
No.
Well, that was a quick thread.
(They already DID this, back when Jihadswarm started. HARDEN UP, PUBBIES.) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
499
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:56:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:If you ABSOLUTELY want to kill someone, you should be able to do it no matter where they are, but it should actually cost some isk. Fun fact: it does, even with insurance.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:59:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank..
Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area. And with the Goons around, Gallente Ice Fields are a dangerous area.
I'm really sorry your guys' Ice Miner Bot Alts got ganked, but that's the chances you take when you run an AFK Bot.
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
110
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:00:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:Tippia wrote:Esagila wrote:Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death. That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea. I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship). Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord.
It would happen almost as much, because yes, your tears are in fact that tasty. Every single time someone gets upset, it justifies every single cost involved in getting those tears to flow, because you must achieve op success at any cost.
Tears(anyone but their own, honestly) just make them want to do it again... Once again, no matter the cost.
Oh, and from experience, a corpies tears because a gank failed, or because you thought being ganked was actually kinda cool when he was going through saltwater withdrawals are almost as tasty as yours, just harder to get(its so easy to make highseccers cry) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:If you ABSOLUTELY want to kill someone, you should be able to do it no matter where they are, but it should actually cost some isk. Fun fact: it does, even with insurance. Quote:I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. SoGǪ why should it be disincentivised? And why should it only be profitable under rare circumstances? Quote:overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship). Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord. Why?
The hilarious thing is that Mittani called this one right off weeks ago. Highsec carebears literally cannot grasp the concept that this isn't about isk. It's about having fun.
Just wait until the stockpiles of Bot mined Oxytopes run out in a week or two. Oh god, then we're gonna have some delicious forum rage when people go to fill their Gallente POSes and the market absolutely collapses... |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:06:00 -
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Xython wrote:
Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.
Tactics that makes no sense in current game mechanics: Check.
Xython wrote: And with the Goons around, Gallente Ice Fields are a dangerous area.
Self Gratification(the only kind a Goon understands): Check.
Xython wrote: I'm really sorry your guys' Ice Miner Bot Alts got ganked, but that's the chances you take when you run an AFK Bot.
Baseless Accusation: Check
Bonus Points: A member Goonswarm condemning botting.
The results: definitely your average Goon post.
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Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
200
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:08:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
I personally vote for the removal of Insurance all together. It is bad for the game, its bad for the economy. Subsidized ships make people dependent on in game subsidization, dependance is bad. People don't really feel the pain of lost. Making to many ships disposable.
Subsidized ships are bad...Vote no to subsidized ships! Vote no to Insurance.
Lets remove it. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
596
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:09:00 -
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Captain Jackoff wrote:In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.
No Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
250
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:09:00 -
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Definitely agree that insurance should go away entirely. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:10:00 -
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Epiphaniess wrote: I personally vote for the removal of Insurance all together. It is bad for the game, its bad for the economy. Subsidized ships make people dependent on in game subsidization, dependance is bad. People don't really feel the pain of lost. Making to many ships disposable.
Subsidized ships are bad...Vote no to subsidized ships! Vote no to Insurance.
Lets remove it.
Subsidized!!!?
That Republican for Communism!
Get rid of it... Hurry!
/Seriously though I agree, bad mechanic.
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Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:11:00 -
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I think we need more insurance and less tank on industrial ships! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:15:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Xython wrote:
Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.
Tactics that makes no sense in current game mechanics: Check. - SNIP - Bonus Points: A member Goonswarm condemning botting. The results: definitely your average Goon post.
Yes, cause Goons bot all the time. In fact, I'm actually a really, really complex dictionary script. BadPoster3000 2.1 Alpha. Fnord brisk, Blood orange away!
Silly pubbie. Botting is against the Goonswarm rules, and the last thing I'd do is break the Goonswarm rules.
As for "the tactic" (having a bodyguard), it actually does make perfect sense... as long as you're not a fat lazy AFK mining pubbie with an entitlement complex who feels he should be able to just set up his ice miner bot and come back a few billion isk richer.
But I'll bite. What "current game mechanics" exist that suggest that having an escort, or a remote rep logistics ship, or something similar covering your six no longer works? Remember, "fat lazy afk pubbie" isn't a mechanic, it's a character flaw.
I can't wait to see you carebears trying to wrap your cute little heads around the idea of needing a bodyguard and scouts and crap when they move all Ice to nullsec. You guys are going to have nervous breakdowns. Especially cause when that happens, it won't be one Brutix suicide ganking you. It'll be 20 of them. With bubbles and tackle. |
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
105
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:17:00 -
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The *ONLY* thing that needs to be made harder is the use of recycled alts to do suicide ganking.
This used to be considered an exploit, but is now only considered an exploit if the amount of recycling is "excessive". |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:21:00 -
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Last time i was ganking hulks and macks in belts funny thing is we warned them 10 minutes before in local not to mine or they will loose their ships. No one took us seriously until they lost their ships and then raged in the local. I dont get that. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:23:00 -
[33] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:Last time i was ganking hulks and macks in belts funny thing is we warned them 10 minutes before in local not to mine or they will loose their ships. No one took us seriously until they lost their ships and then raged in the local. I dont get that.
Combination of Entitlement Syndrome (the game OWES me this ore and isk) and an arrogant belief that they're invincible in highsec (which is why this is so fun). |
baltec1
92
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:23:00 -
[34] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Xython wrote:
Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.
Tactics that makes no sense in current game mechanics: Check.
Defending yourselves is clearly a stupid thing to have to do in a pvp game. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:26:00 -
[35] - Quote
Xython wrote:
Yes, I'm actually a really, really BadPoster pubbie. Botting is the Goonswarm rules, and the last thing I'd do is break the Goonswarm rules.
As a fat lazy AFK mining pubbie with an entitlement complex who feels he should be able to just set up his ice miner bot and come back a few billion isk richer. I'll bite. What exist that suggest "fat lazy afk pubbie" is a character flaw.
I can't wait to see wrap your cute little head around the guys. It'll be 20 of them.
Removed some letters, it made a lot more sense. |
Hershman
G-Weezy
1
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:26:00 -
[36] - Quote
A man once said, "protek yose'f at all times."
Then he said, "we get a rematch tho, aigt?" |
Zerra Zeta
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:26:00 -
[37] - Quote
k, just don't change 'afk' cloaking (it's a viable tactic), easy suicide ganking is sort of silly.... actually I wonder if the goons are working with hellmar |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:28:00 -
[38] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: Defending yourselves is clearly a stupid thing to have to do in a pvp game.
Yes that Escort is really gonna help you when you get alpha'd |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:29:00 -
[39] - Quote
ooh ooh the check box game. I love the check box game. Let me play too.
Alara IonStorm wrote:Xython wrote:
Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.
Tactics that makes no sense in current game mechanics: Check. Claiming that common sense tactics don't make sense "in current game mechanics": CheckXython wrote: And with the Goons around, Gallente Ice Fields are a dangerous area.
Self Gratification(the only kind a Goon understands): Check. Ad Hom Strike against "a Goon" for making a fairly plain and obvious statement: CheckXython wrote: I'm really sorry your guys' Ice Miner Bot Alts got ganked, but that's the chances you take when you run an AFK Bot.
Baseless Accusation: Check Bonus Points: A member Goonswarm condemning botting. Guilty Concience: Check
Bonus Points: Implying that somebody is guilty of something based only on rumors and heresay: CheckThe results: definitely your average Goon post.
The Results: Definitely your average NPC corp member posting about those big bad goonies. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:34:00 -
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Watch local. Be aligned. Dont afk. Use warp core stabilizer. Tank ship. |
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:34:00 -
[41] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: Claiming that common sense tactics don't make sense "in current game mechanics": Check
Escorts do not help with Alpha Mechanics.
David Cedarbridge wrote: Ad Hom Strike against "a Goon" for making a fairly plain and obvious statement: Check
In my defence Goons are pretty plain.
David Cedarbridge wrote: Guilty Concience: Check
Well I did murdered a Hooker once.
David Cedarbridge wrote: Bonus Points: Implying that somebody is guilty of something based only on rumors and heresay: Check
I am a pretty massive hypocrite
David Cedarbridge wrote: The Results: Definitely your average NPC corp member posting about those big bad goonies.
I never liked that movie. |
baltec1
93
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:35:00 -
[42] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:baltec1 wrote: Defending yourselves is clearly a stupid thing to have to do in a pvp game.
Yes that Escort is really gonna help you when you get alpha'd
So dont let them shoot you |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:37:00 -
[43] - Quote
Zerra Zeta wrote:k, just don't change 'afk' cloaking (it's a viable tactic), easy suicide ganking is sort of silly.... actually I wonder if the goons are working with hellmar
Er, can you try that again with sentences? I think you're saying we like AFK cloaking (we -- or at least I -- don't), but I don't want to get all ranty only to hear you say "er, that's what I meant" after the fact.
That's considered a FAUX PAS, after all. |
Zerra Zeta
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:39:00 -
[44] - Quote
Xython wrote:Zerra Zeta wrote:k, just don't change 'afk' cloaking (it's a viable tactic), easy suicide ganking is sort of silly.... actually I wonder if the goons are working with hellmar Er, can you try that again with sentences? I think you're saying we like AFK cloaking (we -- or at least I -- don't), but I don't want to get all ranty only to hear you say "er, that's what I meant" after the fact. That's considered a FAUX PAS, after all.
I don't, I mean I could find one. An explanation I mean. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:39:00 -
[45] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:So dont let them shoot you So Grav Belts, D-Scan, Watch Lists and such.
Great but I already know that and was advising people do do that last Hulkageddon.
But what does that have to do with the aforementioned fail tactics you were quoting me on.
Oh is this that thing where your argument falls apart so you bring up a different point that makes sense and try to bait me into disagreeing.
It was a nice try.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
93
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:39:00 -
[46] - Quote
I think it's time for another geddon, specifically targeting the OP :)
Anyway, Ice mining in empire will die when we get Time Dilation..
If you think mining is boring now and automatable, wait until Time Dilation comes :)
Bots will fail, Mining will take even longer and they will leave empire.
if you want to tank a miner, get a fleet booster and hardwires... otherwise... take your chance like all the rest.
To all in Empire... if you see an AFK pod in HIGHSEC, GANK IT.... remind them that high sec is NOT safe, just safer.
I now declare this weekend,... Hug a highsec pod weekend.
If you buff CONCORD, we will just bring even more hell down on empire than you currently see today. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:41:00 -
[47] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:Watch local. Be aligned. Dont afk. Use warp core stabilizer. Tank ship.
Give this man a prize, he can now be king of the potato people.
Er, I mean pubbies. Pubbies.
Seriously, this isn't HARD.
Ogi -- you did forget the most important part:
Don't mine Ice in Gallente Space. We will find you. We will kill you. We will laugh at your crappy threads crying about it. Go mine elsewhere. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:42:00 -
[48] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: Claiming that common sense tactics don't make sense "in current game mechanics": Check
Escorts do not help with Alpha Mechanics. This strawman doesn't work. If you don't know how to warp out of danger or don't know how to align out to make that warping possible then you run the same risk as anyone else does of losing their ship. At least, you run the same level of risk as the rest of those players who have not learned these basic skills. And yes, this will protect you from getting alpha'd assuming you're actually present at your computer and paying attention to what is going on around you. There are a multitude of things that can be done to prevent you from losing your ship. Whining on the forums isn't one of them and I'm not here to teach you. I'm not your mother.David Cedarbridge wrote: Bonus Points: Implying that somebody is guilty of something based only on rumors and heresay: Check I am a pretty massive hypocrite You said it, not me. [quote=David Cedarbridge] The Results: Definitely your average NPC corp member posting about those big bad goonies.
I never liked that movie. Poor taste in movies detected |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
Miilla wrote:I think it's time for another geddon, specifically targeting the OP :)
Oh me, me too. I do not mine so that might be a problem but I do have a shiny new Noctis with no tank that I use some times.
I am poor cause I just re-subbed and spent all my PvP monies on a Maelstrom and the above Noctis to re-earn it.
Anyway level 4's are boring so please consider me when looking for your next victim.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: I'm not your mother.[/b][/u]
Swipes hair sample. We will see about this won't we.
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Avid Bumhumper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
Sorry, while not a big fan of miner gankers, it's working as intended.
If they are willing to take the sec hit, and the ship loss, then that's their issue. Only additional item that would make sense from a game standpoint is Concord impounding the insurance payout as a fine. If people really want to gank, that wouldn't be much of a deterrent.
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baltec1
93
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:52:00 -
[52] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:baltec1 wrote:So dont let them shoot you So Grav Belts, D-Scan, Watch Lists and such. Great but I already know that and was advising people do do that last Hulkageddon. But what does that have to do with the aforementioned fail tactics you were quoting me on. Oh is this that thing where your argument falls apart so you bring up a different point that makes sense and try to bait me into disagreeing. It was a nice try.
There ate plently of tools to avoid getting killed. If you are too daft to use them then you deserve every bad thing that happens to you. |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:53:00 -
[53] - Quote
Avid Bumhumper wrote:Sorry, while not a big fan of miner gankers, it's working as intended.
If they are willing to take the sec hit, and the ship loss, then that's their issue. Only additional item that would make sense from a game standpoint is Concord impounding the insurance payout as a fine. If people really want to gank, that wouldn't be much of a deterrent.
Perhaps this might be a good change...Concord takes a percentage of the Insurance payout based on the characters sec status. Wouldn't stop me from ganking, but might make it a bit more selective.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:55:00 -
[54] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: There ate plently of tools to avoid getting killed. If you are too daft to use them then you deserve every bad thing that happens to you.
How do you use them if you ate them?
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:02:00 -
[55] - Quote
yes tolittle/no insurance to gankers no to increase response time. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:22:00 -
[56] - Quote
Xython wrote: Ogi -- you did forget the most important part:
I dont think i need to tell them that mining with a bunch of gankers near you is a big nono. Or maybe i do? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
502
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:I dont think i need to tell them that mining with a bunch of gankers near you is a big nono. Or maybe i do? Considering the level of smarts that is often displayed in these situations, you probably doGǪ unfortunately. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
110
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:56:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hows this for a buff for miners. Change ECM Bursts so they don't get you concorded, and give them that extra chance to run.
Make them highslots tho, so they have to sacrifice a miner to fit one o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Uskos
New Ceres Economics and Logsitcs
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:05:00 -
[59] - Quote
The only thing that needs to be changed is the fact that the insurance is still payed out for them. Otherwise all is okay. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
115
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:22:00 -
[60] - Quote
Dont remove ganking just ban GSF |
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baltec1
94
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:25:00 -
[61] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Dont remove ganking just ban GSF
Show me on the doll where the bees stung you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:33:00 -
[62] - Quote
All these threads about miners getting ganked just prove the mining barges are plain terribly designed
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:40:00 -
[63] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Dont remove ganking just ban GSF
I agree! Ban these annoying bastards! I can't believe they're doing this. What do they think this is, a sandbox game?
:whisper whisper:
Huh? What? GSF means what? Goonswarm Fe... Oh crap, that's us!
No, wait, DON'T ban GSF!
I think it's hilarious and sad ... well, mostly hilarious ... that the entirety of the EVE Online Economy is hedging on a few hundred bots bringing in oxytopes for the various POSes et all.
What's even more sad is that the complacent pubbies who are helping ruin the game are more upset at Goonswarm fighting back against the bots than they are at the bots. Puts things in perspective.
(Hint: The perspective is: Fat AFK pubbies are lazy and dumb.) |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
552
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:45:00 -
[64] - Quote
Captain Jackoff wrote:In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference. The name fits you sir. Oh and no, it's working as intended.
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:57:00 -
[65] - Quote
Captain Jackoff wrote:In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
CONCORD is working as intended.
Captain Jackoff wrote:Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
On that note, an insurance company shouldn't pay you if you're mining ice in an area where hundreds of ice mining ships have been killed. Don't you agree?
Captain Jackoff wrote:Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
No. That is not the intention of the mechanic. High-sec is supposed to be a part of space where "criminal" aggression has consequences, not where you can PvE with any safety. The current mechanics are fine as they are. |
XIRUSPHERE
Deadly Intent.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 19:06:00 -
[66] - Quote
Suicide ganking is just fine, concord has been buffed over and over going directly against the concept of the sandbox. The simple fact is that any miner worth their salt could use this as nothing but a giant opportunity to make decent isk off of ice when the competition is under so much duress and market is ripe with opportunity.
Instead they want more concord buffs because collectively the Ice mining community wants to bot or be as near afk as possible while mining. If you can't be assed to pay attention or be aware of your surroundings you stand to lose your ship and should. High sec should under no circumstances be exempt from the slaughter of careless, lazy, exploitative and unimaginative pilots who have the easiest ride in the game.
Goonswarm is doing a great service keeping the space lanes clear of garbage. |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
9
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Posted - 2011.10.15 19:24:00 -
[67] - Quote
Um... mine in a BS... prob solved...
O WAIT that means into a can, so you need a frined or a alt to haul for you... and that means more work...
So it is not so much mining is not safe... it is... "I want easy no work isk... that I can't be killed getting."
BS can mine almost as much as a hulk, is not gona be ganked BUT has way less cargo...
Hulk HUGE cargo... was less tank.
Anything else to cry about?
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Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 19:35:00 -
[68] - Quote
supersexysucker wrote:Um... mine in a BS... prob solved...
O WAIT that means into a can, so you need a frined or a alt to haul for you... and that means more work...
So it is not so much mining is not safe... it is... "I want easy no work isk... that I can't be killed getting."
BS can mine almost as much as a hulk, is not gona be ganked BUT has way less cargo...
Hulk HUGE cargo... was less tank.
Anything else to cry about?
Can't mine ice in a non-ORE ship.
That said, I can get a Mack up to ~17k EHP, which is more than enough to survive a shot from a Galtpest. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:06:00 -
[69] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:What CONCORD needs to do is instant warp in regardless of sec status, pop the ship and void the warranty on insurance, and a little something extra for good measure pop the pod with a scrambling ray that fuxxors up your clone regardless if its updated or not, you will still loose SP. As for throw away alts in destroyers, buff exhumers and bargers by a factor of 5x to the hitpoints + 75% resist across the board + another 3 low slots (Bulk Head, Bulk Head, DCU, Inert Stab, Inert Stab = beefy yet almost graceful as a swan when it aligns) )so it takes even more destroyers to get a Hulk (its an MMO, bring friends ). Oh, and another idea I had for laughs is PVE insurance flag for the ship....a 90 period where if your destroyed doing a PVE activity (I know, Battlehulk but thats rare) no kill mail is generated to give them a good kick in the nuts cause they will have proof of their activities hahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaa
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Valhallas
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
This new forum is a pile of pork sword juice.
It just ate my post and i'm not bloody typing it again.
TLDR was - I like suicide ganking, it's fun, and it boosts the market for meta 1 and 2 items. Its also unfair as alpha tempest dus the job, no questions asked. |
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Angelo Doelman
Bacon Diplomacy Project
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such.
No.
There is no defence to N+1 ganking.
If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two. If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three. If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four.
Do you see a pattern here?
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:29:00 -
[72] - Quote
Angelo Doelman wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such. No. There is no defence to N+1 ganking. If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two. If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three. If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four. Do you see a pattern here? Yeah the pattern is that suicide ganks are part of the game. That is no excuse for these ships to have 0 ability to fit a tank in return for sacrifice of yield or cargo. Barges could stand a bit more flexibility in their environment.
As for your Gank pattern that is part of EVE, you could try STO.
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Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:29:00 -
[73] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:If you ABSOLUTELY want to kill someone, you should be able to do it no matter where they are, but it should actually cost some isk. Fun fact: it does, even with insurance. Quote:I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. SoGǪ why should it be disincentivised? And why should it only be profitable under rare circumstances? Quote:overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship). Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord. Why?
I understand it costs money to suicide gank. I'm saying it should cost more. Also, why do you think its a bad idea to lower the amount of suicide ganking? |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:31:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Tippia wrote:Esagila wrote:Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death. That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea. I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship). Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord. It would happen almost as much, because yes, your tears are in fact that tasty. Every single time someone gets upset, it justifies every single cost involved in getting those tears to flow, because you must achieve op success at any cost. Tears(anyone but their own, honestly) just make them want to do it again... Once again, no matter the cost. Oh, and from experience, a corpies tears because a gank failed, or because you thought being ganked was actually kinda cool when he was going through saltwater withdrawals are almost as tasty as yours, just harder to get(its so easy to make highseccers cry)
My tears? I don't even own a mining ship sweety |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
506
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:33:00 -
[75] - Quote
Igualmentedos wrote:I understand it costs money to suicide gank. I'm saying it should cost more. And I'm asking: why?
Quote:Also, why do you think its a bad idea to lower the amount of suicide ganking? Because they're already far too few.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Valhallas
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:40:00 -
[76] - Quote
Angelo Doelman wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such. No. There is no defence to N+1 ganking. If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two. If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three. If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four. Do you see a pattern here?
OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank?
Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls. |
Angelo Doelman
Bacon Diplomacy Project
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:49:00 -
[77] - Quote
Valhallas wrote:Angelo Doelman wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such. No. There is no defence to N+1 ganking. If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two. If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three. If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four. Do you see a pattern here? OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank? Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls. You, as others have already mentioned, continue to forget that FUN in eve is what people want. For some (I guess) could find that in shooting ice. For others, fun can be had shooting people having fun, shooting ice.
So. Yes, if I can extract FUN with 30 ships with a collective value 4 times greater than your ship, then I will still shoot your ship. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:54:00 -
[78] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:I understand it costs money to suicide gank. I'm saying it should cost more. And I'm asking: why? Quote:Also, why do you think its a bad idea to lower the amount of suicide ganking? Because you haven't given any reason why it's needed. GǪalso, because they're far too few as it is.
I feel there are too many suicide ganks, and that they are too easy to perform. Also, there is little to no counter to them. If i bring a gank brutix to kill your hulk and I fail, I'll just bring more, and insurance will cover a large majority of the cost. Unless there is some form of defense I'm not aware of, then please enlighten me. Otherwise I think we can just agree to disagree and that's all. Let CCP decide, it's their game after all.
Bolded the important part because it seems like miners have no way of avoiding a gank at all, aside from completely abstaining from mining.
That is why I feel it should cost more and I would like to hear why you think more suicide ganks are needed.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:55:00 -
[79] - Quote
Valhallas wrote:OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank?
Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls.
I remember having this same discussion with my friends back in the day.
I was 8. It was either Final Fantasy bosses or Pro Wrestlers. I think we decided Sargent Slaughter could beat up Lich but Kraken would probably take him.
(I guess what I'm saying is this is a dumb argument and you should feel bad.) |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:57:00 -
[80] - Quote
Valhallas wrote:Angelo Doelman wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such. No. There is no defence to N+1 ganking. If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two. If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three. If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four. Do you see a pattern here? OK, lets say for arguments sake my hulk (i can't fly a hulk and never will) can survive 30 gank boats with a value 4 times more than my hulk after insurance payback. You still up for the gank? Though not, don't bring stupid to the forum pls.
Apparently you've totally missed the point. I'd still be down for that gank just to prove you that I can do it and to collect the tears from the "invulnerable" miracle hulk. |
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Jita Alt666
353
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:01:00 -
[81] - Quote
Dear Ice Mining High Sec Carebears.
Hire a decent mercenary corp to war dec those pesky goons. Have them in belt with you and camping gates and statioon undocks while you mine.
If you can't afford that with the current prices of Oxygen Isotopes - you are playing eve incorrectly
Yours Faithfully Jita Alt666
P.S. OP CCP are working as intended. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:04:00 -
[82] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Apparently you've totally missed the point. I'd still be down for that gank just to prove you that I can do it and to collect the tears from the "invulnerable" miracle hulk.
How do you know it is tanked, gonna let a test wave die, bring overkill to every gank or take the leg work to get a clear scan of the fit without spooking him.
The point is that if you are determined you will get it but you have to work for it. Since when is that ever a bad thing.
A little more utility to these ships could add to the fun.
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Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Dear Ice Mining High Sec Carebears.
Hire a decent mercenary corp to war dec those pesky goons. Have them in belt with you and camping gates and statioon undocks while you mine.
If you can't afford that with the current prices of Oxygen Isotopes - you are playing eve incorrectly
Yours Faithfully Jita Alt666
P.S. OP CCP are working as intended.
Implying every merc corp willing/able to deck Goons/The Clusterfuck wasn't already doing it. |
Generals4
149
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:07:00 -
[84] - Quote
Captain Jackoff wrote:In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.
I agree with the insurance part but do not agree with improving concord. Removing the insurance would make the consequences harsher while improving concord would simply prevent suicide ganking from happening, which is a no-no in my book.
I also agree with those who stated barges should be able to have at least some tank if they're fitted for it |
Gealbhan
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
39
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:16:00 -
[85] - Quote
High Sec is not meant to be a PvE - no hope of getting killed by another player - haven. To make it like that would be a serious blow to eve online. If and I stress IF CCP made so suicide ganking etc couldn't happen then the game would cease to be unique and would just become another space sim.
Think about it. |
Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:16:00 -
[86] - Quote
>Insurance is removed >Bounties paid to GSF pilots go up to compensate
That is the plan isn't it? To bankrupt our communist space utopia? |
Psychophantic
76
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:17:00 -
[87] - Quote
Concord kills result in loss of skill points.
Some real consequences instead of this we killed your boat, you lost some sec which wont affect your nano fit smart bombing bs, and heres some isk for your next run. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:20:00 -
[88] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Concord kills result in loss of skill points.
Some real consequences instead of this we killed your boat, you lost some sec which wont affect your nano fit smart bombing bs, and heres some isk for your next run.
you're not very smart are you? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:20:00 -
[89] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Concord kills result in loss of skill points.
Some real consequences instead of this we killed your boat, you lost some sec which wont affect your nano fit smart bombing bs, and heres some isk for your next run.
I have a better idea. How about anyone who ever personally inconveniences me while I'm being AFK and stupid gets DELETED. YEAAA, that'll teach'm.
Oh wait, that's a horrible idea. As is loss of skill points.
For chirsts's sakes people, ganking has been part of the game since the beginning, it's working as intended.
HARDEN THE **** UP. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
508
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:21:00 -
[90] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:Concord kills result in loss of skill points. Why? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:24:00 -
[91] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Psychophantic wrote:Concord kills result in loss of skill points. Why?
Because carebears, that's why. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:24:00 -
[92] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
Apparently you've totally missed the point. I'd still be down for that gank just to prove you that I can do it and to collect the tears from the "invulnerable" miracle hulk.
How do you know it is tanked, gonna let a test wave die, bring overkill to every gank or take the leg work to get a clear scan of the fit without spooking him.
Passive targeters and ship scanners are hard. |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:25:00 -
[93] - Quote
THIS OR THIS ?
what you think next will happen now |
P42ALPHA
nul-li-fy Atlas.
14
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:25:00 -
[94] - Quote
I have a question.
Is there not one other thing ice miners can do for the 1-2 maybe 3 weeks before the goons move on to mess with someone else?
I have not been following this very hard, but I do understand the roid belts are still safe. Just kill them for a bit. That Ice will be safe soon enough.
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Jita Alt666
353
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:30:00 -
[95] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Dear Ice Mining High Sec Carebears.
Hire a decent mercenary corp to war dec those pesky goons. Have them in belt with you and camping gates and statioon undocks while you mine.
If you can't afford that with the current prices of Oxygen Isotopes - you are playing eve incorrectly
Yours Faithfully Jita Alt666
P.S. OP CCP are working as intended. Implying every merc corp willing/able to deck Goons/The Clusterfuck wasn't already doing it.
Heh. I'm not implying anything. For the record, I know that some major merc corps have chosen not to war dec goons
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:31:00 -
[96] - Quote
P42ALPHA wrote:Is there not one other thing ice miners can do for the 1-2 maybe 3 weeks before the goons move on to mess with someone else?
That would require they reconfigure their bots, and WAAAAH, why should they have to they're the most bestest EVE players in the WOOOOORLD!!!111!11o111!111
And anyone who thinks Goons are going to get tired of this has something else coming. Every time one of these threads comes up it just invigorates us to try harder. Because losing one ship is apparently enough to send you thin skinned children into frothy rage, demanding we get banned, have our characters' skillpoints nutered, be teleported out of highsec, etc etc...
All because you all don't actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:33:00 -
[97] - Quote
So buff CONCORD response time again huh |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
19
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:35:00 -
[98] - Quote
I have solved every problem ever
Get an alt in a rookie ship, make him shoot your hulk/mack even Mission Running ship, instant Concord protection
Note: Ganking is the good and getting mails of rage is better ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:36:00 -
[99] - Quote
Zhade Lezte wrote:So buff CONCORD response time again huh
No, didn't you listen? Apparently the pubbies won't be satisfied until they replace the entire EVE UI with Hello Kitty Online's.
NO PEEKAY PLESS, I AR SLEEPY |
Psychophantic
76
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:38:00 -
[100] - Quote
Goons lol.
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=all
Just making up for years of social repression. |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:39:00 -
[101] - Quote
I have received reports of badposting going on in this thread. Let's keep up the standards people. |
Angelo Doelman
Bacon Diplomacy Project
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:43:00 -
[102] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Angelo Doelman wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank. A fully tanked Hulk with a DCU, Hardeners, Extenders, CDFE Rigs runs close to 30k EHP. If you fully tank it properly it should be designed to be 45-60k. Make it so mining Barges can host a good Shield Tank, Pro:15k, Retty:25k, Covi:30k.
Give these people a fighting chance to tank there ships if they so choose. Same with Industrials and such. No. There is no defence to N+1 ganking. If your ship can survive 1 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring two. If your ship can survive 2 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring three. If your ship can survive 3 [insert FOTM gank boat], they will bring four. Do you see a pattern here? Yeah the pattern is that suicide ganks are part of the game. That is no excuse for these ships to have 0 ability to fit a tank in return for sacrifice of yield or cargo. Barges could stand a bit more flexibility in their environment. As for your Gank pattern that is part of EVE, you could try STO. Why must every ship be able to fit a tank? This is a role-specific ship. So specific, that this class of ship are the only ships capable of fitting a strip miner or a ice harvester. |
Angelo Doelman
Bacon Diplomacy Project
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:46:00 -
[103] - Quote
ACE McFACE wrote:I have solved every problem ever
Get an alt in a rookie ship, make him shoot your hulk/mack even Mission Running ship, instant Concord protection
Note: Ganking is the good and getting mails of rage is better If I'm not mistaken, as part of the Goon doctrin, they play some game mechanic that rids the belt of concord after.
This way they can reset the icefield so that the miners don't have a hour or so of protection. |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:46:00 -
[104] - Quote
i didnt know every person who mines ice in empire is required to 1: be AFK, and 2: use bots |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:47:00 -
[105] - Quote
Angelo Doelman wrote:Why must every ship be able to fit a tank? This is a role-specific ship. So specific, that this class of ship are the only ships capable of fitting a strip miner or a ice harvester.
They don't have to fit a tank. If they were aligned out and actually paying attention to the game, they could avoid all these ganks. Just warp out when Goons show up. Easy.
Unfortunately, the people complaining don't actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it.
Not just bots, but badposting on forums (mostly crying about Goons killing them while they were on the forums badposting about goons) with EVE open in the background. Stuff like that. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
157
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:47:00 -
[106] - Quote
By the way, i remember one of the CSM (possibly mittani himself) saying that he wouldn't mind if insurance for concordoken ships were to be removed. Can't remember if he said that because someone touched on the subject, or if he said it because CCP was considering it.
I sure wouldn't mind.. thrashers are cheapo enough. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
KaarBaak
89
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:48:00 -
[107] - Quote
Insurance should be removed altogether. Without any oversight, the blind generation of isk out of thin air is detrimental to the economy.
It's an isk faucet that should be turned off. For everyone.
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Angelo Doelman
Bacon Diplomacy Project
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
Xython wrote:Angelo Doelman wrote:Why must every ship be able to fit a tank? This is a role-specific ship. So specific, that this class of ship are the only ships capable of fitting a strip miner or a ice harvester. They don't have to fit a tank. If they were aligned out and actually paying attention to the game, they could avoid all these ganks. Just warp out when Goons show up. Easy. Unfortunately, the people complaining don't actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it. Not just bots, but badposting on forums (mostly crying about Goons killing them while they were on the forums badposting about goons) with EVE open in the background. Stuff like that.
Are you talking about passive align or active? Because passive doesn't actually work. The ship "rotating" in space graphic has no bearing on the math EVE uses to calculate your ship's ability to accelerate to warp.
Active doesn't work, because they need to remain close to the ice for the duration of the cycle. |
Angelo Doelman
Bacon Diplomacy Project
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:54:00 -
[109] - Quote
KaarBaak wrote: Insurance should be removed altogether. Without any oversight, the blind generation of isk out of thin air is detrimental to the economy.
It's an isk faucet that should be turned off. For everyone.
How is it blind generation? It is simply a reimbursment of a portion of the mineral cost of your ship's hull. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:56:00 -
[110] - Quote
KaarBaak wrote:It's an isk faucet that should be turned off. For everyone.
The only way this makes sense is if you're an AFKing highsec pubbie who can count on one hand the number of ships he's lost this week.
(Usually these types run AFK missions and/or AFK bot mine, so they really don't count for anything other than target practice.)
For the rest of us, those who actually play the game, losing ships is a common enough occurrence that insurance is vital. To say nothing about newbies who rely on that insurance to get back into the game without mining or doing L1 missions in a newbie frig to buy a second battleship... every time they die.
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Galehund
The Right Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:57:00 -
[111] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: Its like real life. Cops also usually arrive when you are dead. Fact is Concord cant save you from 1400 mm arty. No one can.
I don't know about elsewhere, but here in the US it has been upheld in court time and again that the police have no obligation to protect you. Their job is to protect society, not individuals, and they are to do that by punishing the bad guys.... [/quote]
And still police will try to be pro active, you know like crime prevention. Today some of that is even done on "super" computers that recognized hot zones and patters. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:57:00 -
[112] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
Apparently you've totally missed the point. I'd still be down for that gank just to prove you that I can do it and to collect the tears from the "invulnerable" miracle hulk.
How do you know it is tanked, gonna let a test wave die, bring overkill to every gank or take the leg work to get a clear scan of the fit without spooking him. Passive targeters and ship scanners are hard. Then it should be no problem dealing with a competently tanked ship.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:58:00 -
[113] - Quote
Angelo Doelman wrote:Active doesn't work, because they need to remain close to the ice for the duration of the cycle.
Works fine. Align, when you're pointed at the warpout location, hit ctrl-space to stop your ship. Yes, you'll have to speed up to get out, but it's not like they're going to be tackling you or something.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:59:00 -
[114] - Quote
Angelo Doelman wrote: Why must every ship be able to fit a tank? This is a role-specific ship. So specific, that this class of ship are the only ships capable of fitting a strip miner or a ice harvester.
Why should it not be able to fit a tank. Trucks are designed to move stuff, does not mean they do not have seatbelts.
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XIRUSPHERE
Deadly Intent.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:01:00 -
[115] - Quote
KaarBaak wrote: Insurance should be removed altogether. Without any oversight, the blind generation of isk out of thin air is detrimental to the economy.
It's an isk faucet that should be turned off. For everyone.
See you have the right idea, inflation is rampant enough and people would start flying with their heads about them a bit more. In today's eve insurance should be removed for all parties.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
157
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:01:00 -
[116] - Quote
Xython wrote:Angelo Doelman wrote:Active doesn't work, because they need to remain close to the ice for the duration of the cycle. Works fine. Align, when you're pointed at the warpout location, hit ctrl-space to stop your ship. Yes, you'll have to speed up to get out, but it's not like they're going to be tackling you or something.
They might drop a bubl....
nevermind. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:01:00 -
[117] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Then it should be no problem dealing with a competently tanked ship.
Right. And it isn't.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:02:00 -
[118] - Quote
Xython wrote:Angelo Doelman wrote:Active doesn't work, because they need to remain close to the ice for the duration of the cycle. Works fine. Align, when you're pointed at the warpout location, hit ctrl-space to stop your ship. Yes, you'll have to speed up to get out, but it's not like they're going to be tackling you or something. Why not, Sebo lock while they speed up and drop a T1 WD on them. Isn't a point standard on any gank ship that can fit them and doesn't need the res due to stacking.
Xython wrote: Right. And it isn't.
For you maybe but for fail gankers who have it easy, well they can ether get in the game or GTFO back to L4's. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:05:00 -
[119] - Quote
Well, yeah, if they get you targeted and pointed, you're dead.
AND SHOULD BE.
But if you're watching and warp out before they can do that. Like, say, when they enter local.
But again, that would require these people actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it while "playing."
And they don't. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:13:00 -
[120] - Quote
Xython wrote:Well, yeah, if they get you targeted and pointed, you're dead.
AND SHOULD BE.
But if you're watching and warp out before they can do that. Like, say, when they enter local.
But again, that would require these people actually enjoy the game enough to pay attention to it while "playing."
And they don't. Wow something just hit me and I didn't realize until now. I have solved every problem there is with mining and ganking.
The Secret is coming to the realization of how little I care. Mining is boring, so is shooting folks who don't shoot back. Two things I won't ever have the inclination to do.
Whelp I am just gonna mosey along back to my little corner of EVE and pretend I was never here.
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Sergara Darkthorn
To Kill With Intent
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:15:00 -
[121] - Quote
Angelo Doelman wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:I have solved every problem ever
Get an alt in a rookie ship, make him shoot your hulk/mack even Mission Running ship, instant Concord protection
Note: Ganking is the good and getting mails of rage is better If I'm not mistaken, as part of the Goon doctrin, they play some game mechanic that rids the belt of concord after they shoot the miners. This way they can reset the icefield so that the miners don't have a hour or so of protection.
Goons (of old) were idiots... actually....
actually as an adendum:
0.0 depends on hi sec industry (e/g mining for those that have trouble understanding that word) |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:18:00 -
[122] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Tippia wrote:Esagila wrote:Definitely agree that people who die to concord should not get an insurance payout upon their death. That would lessen the incentives to suicide gank people. Bad idea. I disagree, the purpose for suicide ganking should be to eliminate your opponent, and in rare circumstances you would be able to turn a profit. overall, you should lose a great deal of ISK in the process (depending on target and your ship). Insurance should be removed for those smacked down by concord. It would happen almost as much, because yes, your tears are in fact that tasty. Every single time someone gets upset, it justifies every single cost involved in getting those tears to flow, because you must achieve op success at any cost. Tears(anyone but their own, honestly) just make them want to do it again... Once again, no matter the cost. Oh, and from experience, a corpies tears because a gank failed, or because you thought being ganked was actually kinda cool when he was going through saltwater withdrawals are almost as tasty as yours, just harder to get(its so easy to make highseccers cry)
Do you actually believe this? I mean seriously what a complete turd you are...tears salt wtf are you on with? Seriously go out get laid do something cos this **** makes you sound like a complete comic book guy.......now taste my tears you nob |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:22:00 -
[123] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:Do you actually believe this? I mean seriously what a complete turd you are...tears salt wtf are you on with? Seriously go out get laid do something cos this **** makes you sound like a complete comic book guy.......now taste my tears you nob
WOO HOO, We're all nobs!
OI BOYZ, LETZ GO GET UZ SOM 'OOMIES!
WAAAAAAAAGGGH |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:26:00 -
[124] - Quote
I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a ***** |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:30:00 -
[125] - Quote
Yes, killing miners is kinda boring.
Listening to miners cry on the forums about it is HILARIOUS. |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:31:00 -
[126] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a *****
I dont get what people are on about...salty tears I mean seriously wtf my ship blows up i buy a new one lol what is going on that people are so possessive over **** they own..its a game I've put a lot of time into yeah but thats all it is on either side if you are pursuing people for their tears deoesnt that make you a bit lonely and in need of a hug?
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KaarBaak
90
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:32:00 -
[127] - Quote
Xython wrote:KaarBaak wrote:It's an isk faucet that should be turned off. For everyone. The only way this makes sense is if you're an AFKing highsec pubbie who can count on one hand the number of ships he's lost this week. (Usually these types run AFK missions and/or AFK bot mine, so they really don't count for anything other than target practice.) For the rest of us, those who actually play the game, losing ships is a common enough occurrence that insurance is vital. To say nothing about newbies who rely on that insurance to get back into the game without mining or doing L1 missions in a newbie frig to buy a second battleship... every time they die.
It amounts to government funded welfare. As in that case, those that receive the free currency will fight tooth-and-nail to keep the faucet running.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:32:00 -
[128] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a ***** I dont get what people are on about...salty tears I mean seriously wtf my ship blows up i buy a new one lol what is going on that people are so possessive over **** they own..its a game I've put a lot of time into yeah but thats all it is on either side if you are pursuing people for their tears deoesnt that make you a bit lonely and in need of a hug?
The problem is all these highsec pubbies are so used to never, ever dying and never having to interact with anyone else that the loss of a single ship is a life changing event. Or something. |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:33:00 -
[129] - Quote
Xython wrote:Yes, killing miners is kinda boring.
Listening to miners cry on the forums about it is HILARIOUS.
I agree the end result is probably more humorous than the doing...I mean you're targeting some guy that afks watching films he comes back to his pod.......there is no social interaction |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
421
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:34:00 -
[130] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall How long did you mine for?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:35:00 -
[131] - Quote
about 5 mins then i got an itch to kill something |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:38:00 -
[132] - Quote
Xython wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:Shawnm339 wrote:I actually live down the road from games wrokshop fact......so many neckbeards taking this pixel game way too seriously...youre tears are pure I mean seriously what are people on about? I plaqy cos its fun same as other people if you encroach on my idea of fun ill adapt....I personally cant stand mining it makes me want to run headfirst into a wall but for me to sit here saying that killing them makes me tears i mean what a ***** I dont get what people are on about...salty tears I mean seriously wtf my ship blows up i buy a new one lol what is going on that people are so possessive over **** they own..its a game I've put a lot of time into yeah but thats all it is on either side if you are pursuing people for their tears deoesnt that make you a bit lonely and in need of a hug? The problem is all these highsec pubbies are so used to never, ever dying and never having to interact with anyone else that the loss of a single ship is a life changing event. Or something. Im not saying i disagree with the plan...the plan rocks...I'm just saying i disagree with the deliverance of the message..... you're message is great just think some cocks dilute the point............salty tears.......tears blah blah blah |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:43:00 -
[133] - Quote
Captain Jackoff wrote:a-bloo-bloo-bloo, a-bloo-bloo-bloo ... If I were gonna start a whinge thread about how them terrible Goonies are forcing me to actually play the game instead of engaging in activities they've publicly targetted, while AFK or botting ... I'd definitely do it with a character whose name involves ************.
On the other hand I, too, must admit to feeling some satisfaction when I read the mewling and bawling that these pubbie characters let loose with when the teat is slapped out of their mouths.
Cry harder, please. |
Shawnm339
Galactic Shipyards Inc NEM3SIS.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:46:00 -
[134] - Quote
Sirhan Blixt wrote:Captain Jackoff wrote:a-bloo-bloo-bloo, a-bloo-bloo-bloo ... If I were gonna start a whinge thread about how them terrible Goonies are forcing me to actually play the game instead of engaging in activities they've publicly targetted, while AFK or botting ... I'd definitely do it with a character whose name involves ************. On the other hand I, too, must admit to feeling some satisfaction when I read the mewling and bawling that these pubbie characters let loose with when the teat is slapped out of their mouths. Cry harder, please.
This seriously what teat are you imagining what mewling? are you actually thinking any of this happens? You play a spaceship game in which you parody anyone who takes it seriously with proper **** internet spaceship parodies......
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:48:00 -
[135] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:Sirhan Blixt wrote:Captain Jackoff wrote:a-bloo-bloo-bloo, a-bloo-bloo-bloo ... If I were gonna start a whinge thread about how them terrible Goonies are forcing me to actually play the game instead of engaging in activities they've publicly targetted, while AFK or botting ... I'd definitely do it with a character whose name involves ************. On the other hand I, too, must admit to feeling some satisfaction when I read the mewling and bawling that these pubbie characters let loose with when the teat is slapped out of their mouths. Cry harder, please. This seriously what teat are you imagining what mewling? are you actually thinking any of this happens? You play a spaceship game in which you parody anyone who takes it seriously with proper **** internet spaceship parodies...... Now that's what I'm talking about! |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:54:00 -
[136] - Quote
How I used to love when Lyris and Skunk were the voice of the Goons around here.
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:59:00 -
[137] - Quote
Sara XIII wrote:How I used to love when Lyris and Skunk were the voice of the Goons around here. Give it time. It's been a fast-moving thread and they can't keep current on all of them. |
L1m9n1663r
The Treehugger Corp None Of The Above
22
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:07:00 -
[138] - Quote
Captain Jackoff wrote:In light of how easily the goons have been able to clear gallente space of ice miners, I say the time has finally come to fix suicide ganking. Everybody is too afraid to mine gallente ice in hi-sec. What happend to concord? Oh that's right, concord are all but worthless in this.
I can think of two changes, one of which that should have been made a long time ago.
Insurance needs to be voided if the person dies to concord. Being able to gank targets in hi sec at little to no cost is stupid. Gankers being able to take up insurance so they can get paid to throw away their ships by comitting a crime is also stupid.
Concord needs to be improved, they are supposed to deter ganking from occuring in hi-sec, but they fail at this. I suggest that concord response times are greatly improved. It should still be possible to gank a target, but you'll need more firepower and there's a high risk of concord taking you out before you destroy your target.
These changes won't stop people from ganking each other in hi-sec, but anything that makes it harder will make a huge difference.
Easy? Are you kidding?
The cost of this incursion for the goons are immense. First it is the bounties that comes from ratting taxes. Then it is the security loss making their pilots more or less useless in empire. Then it is the standings loss towards multiple factions of NPC's that can never ever be repaired. Then it is the mind-numbing logistics of keeping the area stocked with ships. Then it is the 24/7/365 scouting of all the ICE belts and coordination of warp-ins, baiting Concorde and so on.
Personally I think they should take the entire insurance system and just cancel it. No ISK for losing a ship, ever. I also think they should fix the kill-right / bounty system so that mad miners can put out contracts on people.
Now, how about buffing the rats in empire? All belts should spawn at least cruiser size rats. I also believe there should be scrambling rats in all 0.7 and below systems.
Also, please remove ICE from high sec, thank you. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:28:00 -
[139] - Quote
Shawnm339 wrote:Xython wrote:Yes, killing miners is kinda boring.
Listening to miners cry on the forums about it is HILARIOUS. I agree the end result is probably more humorous than the doing...I mean you're targeting some guy that afks watching films he comes back to his pod.......there is no social interaction
Psst, if he leaves to watch a movie and is still mining, he's using a bot and deserves to lose his ship. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
669
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:43:00 -
[140] - Quote
miners are the scum of the eve universe, a blight, and ganking them should be easier
i propose the -5 police thing be eliminated, to stop penalizing those who do the most to improve the game |
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Cybele Lanier
Viziam Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:50:00 -
[141] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Hows this for a buff for miners. Change ECM Bursts so they don't get you concorded, and give them that extra chance to run.
I'm now in a frigate, set to orbit your barge and endlessly spam ECM bursts. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
278
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:04:00 -
[142] - Quote
Concord works fine, ganks are part of the game.
Insurance system is flawed. It should be transformed into contract based player driven business model. Current insurance system pumps too much new iskies to the game and has no real function in the game.
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:05:00 -
[143] - Quote
Xython wrote:[quote=Alara IonStorm]You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area.
I had an escort in my hold, but it didn't help.
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Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:16:00 -
[144] - Quote
OP,
Yes, changes badly need to be made, as in Insurance terminated for criminal acts. That is all though.
As has been pointed out, Police never arrive before a crime but after, that is the way it should be. I'm not even really sure that increased tanks on mining ships is a good plan (and I say that as someone who uses them from time to time).
And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Self interest wins that day, breaking news, grass is often green. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:20:00 -
[145] - Quote
Vastek Non wrote:And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait
Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
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Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:33:00 -
[146] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:Vastek Non wrote:And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
As part of a 0.0 alliance you should be really concerned about your security status, honest
And how does having a low security status affect ganking anyway? I have pointed out several times the happy existence of -10 suicide gankers in trade hubs for years.
If you really want to gank someone, why would you let lack of insurance get in the way? And being EVE, as almost everyone likes to say, actions should have consequences, and not just the ones that you like either. Being at least moderately realistic (as can be for a game on internet spaceships) is always a good thing. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:38:00 -
[147] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Concord works fine, ganks are part of the game.
Insurance system is flawed. It should be transformed into contract based player driven business model. Current insurance system pumps too much new iskies to the game and has no real function in the game.
Actually I just realized this suggestion here would let us run insurance scams.
I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
159
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:40:00 -
[148] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:Vastek Non wrote:And the random suicide gankers here don't like that idea of insurance being cancelled for suicide ganks, as actions have to have consequenceses... I see, oh wait Oh yeah i imagined my sec status loss and my ship being blown up by concord. No consequences there at all.
I guess he means that we need to be able to feel the consequences... Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:40:00 -
[149] - Quote
So you saying i like being blown up by concord and loosing my sec status? :Not sure if you serious: |
Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:46:00 -
[150] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:So you saying i like being blown up by concord and loosing my sec status? :Not sure if you serious:
It means very little to the people that do it regularly. Note - prevalence of goon/random threads on how to keep ganking after -5 status. K site and EVE-O.
Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.
Exactly. Quoting myself, 'self interest wins the day' wow. And before you say it, yes I have ganked in high sec myself, and it was fun. But insurance payouts are just way out there..
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Hecatonis
Ascension Manufacturing
1
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:46:00 -
[151] - Quote
Xython wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I think changes need to be made...
To the ships. Mining Barges have almost no room for tank.. Why would it? It's supposed to be weak. You're supposed to have an escort if you're in a dangerous area. And with the Goons around, Gallente Ice Fields are a dangerous area. I'm really sorry your guys' Ice Miner Bot Alts got ganked, but that's the chances you take when you run an AFK Bot.
i dont care if people get ganked, but i have to point out how this post was in error.
escorts only work in places that do not have concord, a full alpha from a handful of BS can take out an ice miner. so you need to take him out before he shoots.
in high sec this will get the escort killed and then BS gankers will then kill the miner.
this is in the gankers favor because they knew they would loose their ship, but now they got an escort killed as well.
this leads to the only option of having a logi escort your ship. and i dont care to figure out what that fit would have to be to stop that.
i think this thread would be better if it read "no viable way to stop ganking in high sec" because there isnt one that i know of. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:56:00 -
[152] - Quote
Vastek Non wrote: Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.
No they are not realistic. No company would insure your ship or at least would want big premiums for ships mining in gallente ice belts, going into low sec, null sec, wh, hauling valuable cargo... In game companies dont asses the risk and charge you according to it be it for my suicide ganking or your gallente ice mining. Now if you want insurance companies not to pay me out for suicide ganking i want them to charge you 400% more for mining in dangerous ice belts or invalidate your insurance as soon as you step into ice belt, wh, low sec, null sec etc...
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Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 01:00:00 -
[153] - Quote
Ogi Talvanen wrote:Vastek Non wrote: Also, explain how insurance payouts by high sec companies to those commiting crimes in high sec is in any way realistic.
No they are not realistic. No company would insure your ship or at least would want big premiums for ships mining in gallente ice belts, going into low sec, null sec, wh, hauling valuable cargo... In game companies dont asses the risk and charge you according to it be it for my suicide ganking or your gallente ice mining. Now if you want insurance companies not to pay me out for suicide ganking i want them to charge you 400% more for mining in dangerous ice belts or invalidate your insurance as soon as you step into ice belt, wh, low sec, null sec etc...
I like this plan. CCP, when do we get this. |
shashe sin
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 01:20:00 -
[154] - Quote
only thing this game got left is just griefers, dam carebears, bots and ruskies.
Eve is a victim of its own mechanics
deal with it or leave.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
162
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Posted - 2011.10.16 01:38:00 -
[155] - Quote
shashe sin wrote:only thing this game got left is just griefers, dam carebears, bots and ruskies.
Eve is a victim of its own mechanics
deal with it or leave.
This game got left, you say?
Was there a moment when eve had anyhing else, besides griefers, carebears, bots and ruskies? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2011.10.16 01:54:00 -
[156] - Quote
Hecatonis wrote:in high sec this will get the escort killed and then BS gankers will then kill the miner.
i think this thread would be better if it read "no viable way to stop ganking in high sec" because there isnt one that i know of.
Er, so why would you be sitting there when a bunch of battleships surrounded you and prepared to blast you into space rocks? |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.10.16 02:29:00 -
[157] - Quote
As an seasoned miner with hands-on experience dealing with suicide gankers (and also participating in a gank), I just have a few things to say.
It's not Concord that needs fixing (nor the insurance). It's you that needs to fix your way of mining. Here are a few things to do.
1. Tank your ship as hard as possible. Even though I can ice mine in a Mackinaw, I prefer to ice mine in a Hulk when I am in the mood as I prefer the safety of its tough defenses.
2. Get a buddy/alt to back you up.
3. Have a series of plans for as many possible scenarios ready so that you know what to do and how to do it to survive.
4. Every time you survive a gank, you have to change your strategies because now the enemy knows what to do the next time they decide to try again.
5. Make sure you save enough ISK to cover your lose in the event you do lose you ship. |
Sega Phoenix
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 02:40:00 -
[158] - Quote
I'm so sick of whiners. Really this is why bittervets are so pissed.
If you are getting pushed around then do something about it. Don't come whining to the forums or bitching about this and that. Eve provides us with tools in a sandbox. A very minimum is actually catered. Its up to YOU to make the change NOT CCP.
This is Eve's true beauty get used to it or gtfo no excuses. |
im mrmessy
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 06:23:00 -
[159] - Quote
L1m9n1663r wrote:
Easy? Are you kidding?
The cost of this incursion for the goons are immense. First it is the bounties that comes from ratting taxes. Then it is the security loss making their pilots more or less useless in empire. Then it is the standings loss towards multiple factions of NPC's that can never ever be repaired. Then it is the mind-numbing logistics of keeping the area stocked with ships. Then it is the 24/7/365 scouting of all the ICE belts and coordination of warp-ins, baiting Concorde and so on.
Personally I think they should take the entire insurance system and just cancel it. No ISK for losing a ship, ever. I also think they should fix the kill-right / bounty system so that mad miners can put out contracts on people.
Now, how about buffing the rats in empire? All belts should spawn at least cruiser size rats. I also believe there should be scrambling rats in all 0.7 and below systems.
Also, please remove ICE from high sec, thank you.
bounties from ratting? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. we could fund this even if there was no one ratting from our moon go income, we don't normally go into empire except to do things like this and kill the occasional capital component bpo research pos. even then, the sec status can be fixed with only a small amount of ratting in 0.0. the standing loss, even if we needed it to run missions (we don't) minimum standings are not required for lvl 1 agents
Supplying ships to hisec is so much easier than null sec as there are no hot drops to contend with, no cynos to move, no fuel needed to fuel the 4 billion isk jump frieghters |
Ashra Tesh
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 06:24:00 -
[160] - Quote
I just get mad when those silly concord won't leave my thrasher alone.
I say concord discriminates too much, I just want to give people free ammo! Charity is not a crime!!! T.T |
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Keno Skir
10
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Posted - 2011.10.16 06:41:00 -
[161] - Quote
Everything seems to already have been said. But i also think insurance payments for suicide ganks should stop, just doesn't make sense somehow. Suicide ganking being such a mainstream easy cash earner kinda takes away from the realism of the game in my oppinion..
I don't want suicide ganking to stop, just be something you have to plan seriously and lose some isk for in the short term. The Apostle-á :-á I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk-á :-á Silly Austrians Sarmatiko-á-á-á-á :-á Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk-á :-á Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
510
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Posted - 2011.10.16 08:57:00 -
[162] - Quote
Keno Skir wrote:But i also think insurance payments for suicide ganks should stop, just doesn't make sense somehow. Neither does CONCORD. Should we remove it as well, or should we just accept that neither of them have anything to do with their real-world counterparts and that GÇ£making senseGÇ¥ is not part of their mission statement?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Aerocuker
Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 08:59:00 -
[163] - Quote
Don't let gankers shoot back when the gank victim goes to execute his kill rights. If the criminal ganker fights back in hisec, he should be CONCORDed a second time. Let those criminals hide and run around hisec for 30 days or lose a ship on the victims terms.
Also, where is CONCORD when I try to fulfill a mission and NPCs aggress me in hisec? |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
232
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Posted - 2011.10.16 09:33:00 -
[164] - Quote
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:21:00 -
[165] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Aqriue wrote:What CONCORD needs to do is instant warp in regardless of sec status, pop the ship and void the warranty on insurance, and a little something extra for good measure pop the pod with a scrambling ray that fuxxors up your clone regardless if its updated or not, you will still loose SP. As for throw away alts in destroyers, buff exhumers and bargers by a factor of 5x to the hitpoints + 75% resist across the board + another 3 low slots (Bulk Head, Bulk Head, DCU, Inert Stab, Inert Stab = beefy yet almost graceful as a swan when it aligns) )so it takes even more destroyers to get a Hulk (its an MMO, bring friends ). Oh, and another idea I had for laughs is PVE insurance flag for the ship....a 90 period where if your destroyed doing a PVE activity (I know, Battlehulk but thats rare) no kill mail is generated to give them a good kick in the nuts cause they will have proof of their activities The bitter is strong in this one. Try as hard as I could, I couldn't make it sound ludicriously sarcastic. And you thought I was serious...did you just gloss over it cause "CONCORD popping clones while loosing SP" or "PVE Insurance prevents Killmails" should of been a good indication of seriously dumb ideas. High five bud, you got trolled
Tallian Saotome wrote: This is one form of those tears... and the tastiest kind in fact, because behind the insanity and retardation is that true mad that only crying so hard you can't breathe brings. 90% of it is for the tears, and as said, if they get none, they go elsewhere. Try remember the first rule of Eve(don't fly what you can't lose), and watch the gank objectively, and give an honest opinion of how they might improve next time, or ask them how a certain mechanic that they exploit works. You will probably learn something, and gain some respect. Or, you will get to savor the sweet tears of a balked griefer yourself If this happens, take a good taste, swish them around a little, and see how the taste. And then you will know why tears are so highly in demand
Yeah, your tears are delious as you laugh so hard from this dumb joke your eyes started leaking water. *lick* Don't take it as any indication I am making a move on you, I just want my daily dose from your salty saline secretions be they grief or laughter.
Infinimo wrote:hahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahaahahahhahahahahahahahaha edit: hahaha Hey, someone got the joke. *fist bump*
I honestly couldn't care, haven't flown a Hulk in over 2 years and never will again its so boring (stopped weeks before first Wankeggdon and only losses are cheap industrials or frigs). I just don't want to hear about you guys saying how "pr0" and "undefeated" you are in shooting up a ship that just dies when it undocks because its down to a science, any ****** can do it so join the line licking the window as you avoid the cheap loss with some 20m BC and bloat your killboard efficency with a 200m T2 ship (its like sticking a sock in your pants, just to make you look good).
Exhumes and Barges can use a buff of some kind since they die so easy, otherwise I would suggest not changing to the new Super Cap nerfs cause you cannot kill them is just as fair. |
Llanthas
Dads Of Gaming
13
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:17:00 -
[166] - Quote
Cool story, bro. |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:40:00 -
[167] - Quote
shashe sin wrote:only thing this game got left is just griefers, dam carebears, bots and ruskies.
Eve is a victim of its own mechanics
deal with it or leave.
What's so bad about "ruskies?" |
Llanthas
Dads Of Gaming
14
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Posted - 2011.10.18 02:15:00 -
[168] - Quote
Yarr. |
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