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Dalmont Delantee
Shiloh Technologies STR8NGE BREW
10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:56:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
It's just hulkageddon for goon, and everyone had fair warning. Jesus the attacking ice miners stuff is want eve is about, emergent gameplay.
Seriously mate, learn to accept eve is about loosing stuff and trying to gain from other people. I'm against scamming but don't atop people from doing it, just shows how sad they are in rl, but its a game play style. I also hate goons term of pubbies as they are degenerating someone else's game play style. If they cant take the abuse on their own style they shouldn't give it. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:57:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Other than posting about it (often and badly) what are you doing to protect the poor indy players? There are many ways G##n. But 'cos you guys are mostly all mouth and no brains ya wouldn't understand even if it came up and bit ya on the ass. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:01:00 -
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The classic "you wouldn't understand what I'm doing anyway" defense. Does it involve forum whining? Oh please? |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:01:00 -
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This thread is full of concentrated stupid. Scamming and herfing are parts of Eve. They've been parts of Eve forever. I am absolutely, positively, 100% in support of a CSM member representing this facet of the Eve experience. Eve dies when these things become anathema. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:02:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote: I also hate goons term of pubbies as they are degenerating someone else's game play style. If they cant take the abuse on their own style they shouldn't give it.
Pubbie doesn't mean . . . whatever you think it means. It has nothing to do with game play style. Pubbie is derived from public, as in "public recruiting corporation" or "member of the general public". All it really means is "not a goon" and therefore it is not an insult at all, unless you're embarrassed by not being a goon.
Then again, I'm a goon so I'm probably lying about that, and it actually has something to do with pubes. Dirty, smelly pubes. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
85
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:03:00 -
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Vaffel Junior wrote:
Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote
He is already in, numbnut.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \G’+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \G’+/ |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:03:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Trainwreck McGee wrote:I am killin an ice miner everytime someone QQ's about Goons
Seriously who ******* cares if Goons are killing ice bots and ice zombies? The ice zombies care. More to the point, why do YOU care if a player decides to be an ice zombie anyway? Wtf does that have to do with you? You payin' his subs or what?
No, but his flooding the market with "free" isk and oxytopes is ruining the goddamned game.
It screws up the economy, it screws up the player/ccp interaction (see also: l4 mission buff), it skews the game closer and closer towards a game that you play while AFK as opposed to an actual fun one.
Remember people, these botters do not actually like EVE. If they liked EVE, they'd play it. Instead, they found a way to "play" the game without actually having to play. They are the enemy and should be treated as such by all upstanding and honorable Capsuleers.
Think about this: If we Goons had been destroying those pathetic ice bots for the past 2 years, maybe, just maybe, CCP would have revamped mining so that it requires a little bit of interaction and made it more dynamic. And then maybe, juuuuuuuust maybe, people wouldn't be so soul crushingly bored when mining that they resort to botting it out instead.
I'm an old, OLD Asheron's Call vet. I've seen what accepted unattended macroing does to a game, and if you had any common sense, you would be out there podding ice bots too.
Do your part to save EVE: Kill a botter today! |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:04:00 -
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Jesus this terrible thread is still going?
The Apostle, you have a very unhealthy obsession with us goons. You find a way to poke your head into every thread relating to us, and even try to hijack other threads to make them about us. You must be stalking Mittens by now. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:06:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:The classic "you wouldn't understand what I'm doing anyway" defense. Does it involve forum whining? Oh please?
I think the hilarious thing is the Apostle has like 430 likes and literally all he posts is "WAAAAAAAH MITTANI IS A BIG FAT STUPIDHEAD MEANIE!!!"
(Granted, he mixes it up a bit now and then. Sometimes he whines about Goons being mean in general.) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
85
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:07:00 -
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Botleten wrote:Jesus this terrible thread is still going?
The Apostle, you have a very unhealthy obsession with us goons. You find a way to poke your head into every thread relating to us, and even try to hijack other threads to make them about us. You must be stalking Mittens by now.
I know, right? One would think The Apostle has a crush on Mittens.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \G’+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \G’+/ |
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:07:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:
Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote
He is already in, numbnut.
So... hes CSM for life ?
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:08:00 -
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Vaffel Junior wrote:Alpheias wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:
Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote
He is already in, numbnut. So... hes CSM for life ?
He's *my* CSM for life. <3 <3 <3 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:10:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
You seem to be confusing one role we play (CSM representative) for the other role we play (Player, playing a game.). Maybe this is why you're so upset?
Oh no, you aren't suggesting that we need to model our playing style to fit your preconceived notions just because we sit on an elected CCP advisory board? I assume you aren't cause that would be kinda dumb don't you think?
If you approach Mittani about buying a non existant supercap and get scammed then good for him, you're dumb. That has nothing to do with the CSM and your lack of critical thinking skills got you where you are today. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:16:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously You seem to be confusing one role we play (CSM representative) for the other role we play (Player, playing a game.). Maybe this is why you're so upset? Oh no, you aren't suggesting that we need to model our playing style to fit your preconceived notions just because we sit on an elected CCP advisory board? I assume you aren't cause that would be kinda dumb don't you think? If you approach Mittani about buying a non existant supercap and get scammed then good for him, you're dumb. That has nothing to do with the CSM and your lack of critical thinking skills got you where you are today.
This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:16:00 -
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I guarantee the OP one thing.. if he were to physically drag Mittens into Hilmar's office and lay out his grievances and charges of scamming and ganking, Hilmar would look at Mittens, laugh, and throw the OP out of the building.
Mittens, and the CSM, don't make the game. They just play it. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:17:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything!
So vote him out. Simple. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:18:00 -
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Feligast wrote:I guarantee the OP one thing.. if he were to physically drag Mittens into Hilmar's office and lay out his grievances and charges of scamming and ganking, Hilmar would look at Mittens, laugh, and throw the OP out of the building.
Mittens, and the CSM, don't make the game. They just play it.
Well maybe hilmar should step down as CEO as well then... |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:19:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything!
So vote him out. Simple.
yeah im sure your 2000+ 4000 alts will stop that, its so corrupt its unreal.
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Anna Lynne Larson
Black Sail Anarchists Yarr Collective
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:20:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Tts seems lately goons and in particular The Mittani are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of ice miners https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19206&find=unreadand now in C&P more scamming going on https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20988&find=unreadThis is just recent, but there is the whole concept of what The Mittani and Goons represent. The represent everything that is wrong and bad about eve, scourning misery amongst eve players, the whole concept of scamming. Goonswarm can simply not be trusted in anyway and neither can its leadership, which in turn is the Chair of The CSM. Now whether you believe scamming is part of the game or not, its actually bad for the game and to be honest the future of the game, how can you expect new players to want to enjoy the game and stay in the game when you have the biggest noob recruitment alliance, scamming them as soon as they enter the game? No wonder people leave. Many people in eve do not know how goons work as a fundamental scamming alliance, and when people deal with someone like The Mittani who is supposed to represent the players as a whole, believe that he would be trustworthy, because he holds this position. Of course they would.. But The Mittani is using this to his own and his alliances advantage. Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him and he is abusing that. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post... Even Vile Rat should be removed too as he also represents what goons are.. You may ask, well he plays the game too, why cant he scam.? Well he can, even though I personally hate scammers, eve allows it. The issue isnt about scamming as such, its about a person who is supposed to be held in high regard by the players, and abusing this to scam people. However his other actions suchs as attacking ice miners etc is not in the best interested of the game either. I quote the CSM Scope. The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GĒ£greatest good for the greater player baseGĒ„. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. Some people stated and The Mittani also stated that he represents HIS constituents. This is Goons not the the playerbase! Now some are saying well only 1700 of those votes he got was from Goons the rest wasnt. Seriously? Do you expect us to believe that the rest (or most of) where not from Goon alts or second/third accounts alts? However the scope clearly states there should be active engagement with the 'PlayerBase' and also act GĒ£greatest good for the greater player baseGĒ„ this clearly is not the case, how can the biggest alliance which The Mittani Leads, which actively involves itself in scamming, and things like the miner slaughter si 'for the greater good of the player base' Its not! at all! The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously Its plain downright corruption. If this wish to do what they do, fine, but the should not be in a position that represents players TRUST, they should step down! No wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair.. Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones but if you agree +1 like this post, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@pI will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right. keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ... TOP QUOTE"Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did)" HOLY SH*T IS THIS TRUE - CCP PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS TRUE!! OMFG
You don't get EVE. The CSM are PLAYERS. Players are allowed to do whatever the **** they want. That includes issuing a game-wide embargo on Blue Ice; if it's within the rules (and suicide ganking and market manipulation ARE), then it can be done.
You're just mad.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:20:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core.
So no one from nullsec should be on the CSM?
In other words, you're a pubbie with no clue about, oh, 60% of the game's mechanics? Good to know. |
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
46
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:21:00 -
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I enjoy this hisec vs rest of the game thing that has developed from this. The usual counter people will use is some bland statement about a "sandbox", but I believe that actually totally underscores the point. Nullsec, lowsec, piracy, ganking, griefing, that IS the game, of course with the corollary that this competition is what drives the incredible player-driven cooperation that makes makes this game what it is.
Hisec, starter systems, missions, that stuff exists solely as a means to get you to the actual game because the actual game is so ******* harsh that without this island for people to dip their toes in, they couldn't maintain the critical mass necessary to keep Eve going. That's all your piece of the sandbox is, a rubber room for beginners, the fact that you choose to stay there is your fault, not everyone else's (in fact, it's CCP's fault for making it too safe and not better transitioning people out of hisec).
People will respond by saying that committed hisecers make up x% of subs. However, that is simply because this game is so harsh that many people who join with some vague notion of competing find they don't in fact have what it takes. However, they join and continue to play because this game of Eve, the actual game, is being played by someone. I am absolutely confident when I say that if this game was solely hisecers shooting red crosses etc, it would not exist. People play this game because ghsc pulled off a year long infiltration, sirmolle tried to conquer all of nullsec, goonswarm disbanded bob etc or because of amazing stories their friends told them of daring pirate attacks or similarly fearless rescues and so on.
The simple fact is that if you created a shard universe of just hisec, the subs wouldn't cover the cost to maintain it. No one would play. The fact that there are people who don't recognize that hisec is just an extension of the actual game and wouldn't even exist if it wasn't necessary to ease people into the actual game because of how vicious it can truly be just shows that hisec needs to be made less safe and people need to be introduced to the actual game earlier and more forcefully. Ironically, that is exactly what goons are doing, and the fact that they are able to teach this lesson repeatedly just shows that hisec is far too comfy and insulated from the actual game.
I agree that lowsec emptiness and nullsec malaise are serious problems, but I believe those problems actually ultimately stem from the fact that threads like this even exist in the first place because people have forgotten why they even paid that initial subscription to try and compete in this amazing game they heard so much about.
Yes, I just seriousposted on eve-o gd, and I am correspondingly sickened and ashamed. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:21:00 -
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Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more.
If anyone needs me, I'll be off reading about FF14. Just incase their GMs do indeed have to have some knowledge of EVEs existance. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:21:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core.
Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam.
Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players.
You really need to get over it. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:22:00 -
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Anna Lynne Larson wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Tts seems lately goons and in particular The Mittani are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of ice miners https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19206&find=unreadand now in C&P more scamming going on https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20988&find=unreadThis is just recent, but there is the whole concept of what The Mittani and Goons represent. The represent everything that is wrong and bad about eve, scourning misery amongst eve players, the whole concept of scamming. Goonswarm can simply not be trusted in anyway and neither can its leadership, which in turn is the Chair of The CSM. Now whether you believe scamming is part of the game or not, its actually bad for the game and to be honest the future of the game, how can you expect new players to want to enjoy the game and stay in the game when you have the biggest noob recruitment alliance, scamming them as soon as they enter the game? No wonder people leave. Many people in eve do not know how goons work as a fundamental scamming alliance, and when people deal with someone like The Mittani who is supposed to represent the players as a whole, believe that he would be trustworthy, because he holds this position. Of course they would.. But The Mittani is using this to his own and his alliances advantage. Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him and he is abusing that. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post... Even Vile Rat should be removed too as he also represents what goons are.. You may ask, well he plays the game too, why cant he scam.? Well he can, even though I personally hate scammers, eve allows it. The issue isnt about scamming as such, its about a person who is supposed to be held in high regard by the players, and abusing this to scam people. However his other actions suchs as attacking ice miners etc is not in the best interested of the game either. I quote the CSM Scope. The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GĒ£greatest good for the greater player baseGĒ„. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. Some people stated and The Mittani also stated that he represents HIS constituents. This is Goons not the the playerbase! Now some are saying well only 1700 of those votes he got was from Goons the rest wasnt. Seriously? Do you expect us to believe that the rest (or most of) where not from Goon alts or second/third accounts alts? However the scope clearly states there should be active engagement with the 'PlayerBase' and also act GĒ£greatest good for the greater player baseGĒ„ this clearly is not the case, how can the biggest alliance which The Mittani Leads, which actively involves itself in scamming, and things like the miner slaughter si 'for the greater good of the player base' Its not! at all! The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously Its plain downright corruption. If this wish to do what they do, fine, but the should not be in a position that represents players TRUST, they should step down! No wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair.. Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones but if you agree +1 like this post, i think its about time we stood up to this cr@pI will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right. keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ... TOP QUOTE"Being the CSM chairman doesn't mean that you're bound to a more limited set of rules as a player than anyone else. It's EVE, he can abuse his title as much as he wants as long as he doesn't breach NDA (like Darius III did)" HOLY SH*T IS THIS TRUE - CCP PLEASE DONT TELL ME THIS IS TRUE!! OMFG You don't get EVE. The CSM are PLAYERS. Players are allowed to do whatever the **** they want. That includes issuing a game-wide embargo on Blue Ice; if it's within the rules (and suicide ganking and market manipulation ARE), then it can be done. You're just mad.
You just dont get it do you...
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
You just dont get it do you...
We get it. We get that you got sand in your vag, riding your bitter bus to lemon town.
Grats.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \G’+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \G’+/ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:You seem to be confusing one role we play (CSM representative) for the other role we play (Player, playing a game.). Maybe this is why you're so upset?
Oh no, you aren't suggesting that we need to model our playing style to fit your preconceived notions just because we sit on an elected CCP advisory board? I assume you aren't cause that would be kinda dumb don't you think?
If you approach Mittani about buying a non existant supercap and get scammed then good for him, you're dumb. That has nothing to do with the CSM and your lack of critical thinking skills got you where you are today.
Personally i just dislike alliance leaders as CSM's because you guys get exposed to information that can be used as a tactical advantage in-game, like knowing beforehand about something that is getting nerfed and/or buffed. For instance, you could have been made aware of the jumpbridge nerf three to four weeks, maybe more than a month before it was made publicly known so one can argue that you guys had that much more time to adapt and prepare than any other alliances.
And even if you wanted to let other alliances know for the sake of fair-play you can't because of the NDA. If i'm the leader of an alliance, and i get to know about something like that, i will divide myself into two roles like i have double personality. Nobody can help but use whatever information they are given.
But that is a whole different concern that has nothing to do with what the OP is whining about.. at any rate. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam. Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players. You really need to get over it.
Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming, about the worse thing about eve, about a community. You are (and in your own words) Vile.
Im sure your alts dont scam either...Yeah right...
No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:24:00 -
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If EVE was run by a democratic political system, the CSMs would be held accountable for their actions and unlawful behaviour would justly be punished.
EVE is not a democracy. If you look at it as a whole, it's more of a mish mash of feudal states and empires vying for control of the areas they claim as their own.
But of course, this is obvious.
Let's look at history - in feudal times, the most successful leaders weren't those who upheld law and justice and followed all the rules; they were the ones who used any means necessary to win, be it underhand or otherwise.
You can't apply real world rules to a sandbox game which operates completely differently.
The CSMs have no in game advantage, aside from their reputation. Last time I checked , they weren't even handed State Issue Ravens as congratulatory presents for their election. I could make a character tomorrow with the first name CSM (just did to check it was possible), and if I managed to scam someone into allowing me to mediate the transmission of a tonne of isk, i'd be well within the bounds of the game and the EULA. As long as you don't impersonate a CCP employee, who you are or who you claim to be is entirely up to you.
>>TL;DR<< EVE is a feudal sandbox. CSMs are players too. Fancy prefixes impress stupid people. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:25:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Off to parade on Wall Street too?
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:25:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam. Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players. You really need to get over it. No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
You are trying to get more people to laught at you? Is what they are saying so hard for you to comprehend? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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