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Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:56:00 -
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Get ready for the angry claims that the Federation is now holding Midular hostage. |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 18:11:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Hostage or no, Ray of Matar has been shot and might die of it. This is a Sebiestor matter and should be handled by the Sebiestor. Federation's utter lack of co-operation, to the effect of sending a military fleet to stop Republic forces from crossing the border to handle the matter, is outrageous.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Sebiestor
Ah, yes. And of course, because you believe it to be outrageous the Federation would send a military fleet, you must also feel it to be outrageous that the Minmatar would breach Federation sovereignty. You can't have one and not the other. If the Federation fleet had hopped the border to get a head start then you would have an argument. As it stands, the RSS made an illegal military crossing. I don't think that's even debatable at this point, given what went down.
Whether or not Midular should be transferred is another matter. Personally, I agree she should be transferred to her people.
And those people had better not start whining if she dies on the trip. |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:31:00 -
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I don't think there is anyone here saying that Republic medical personnel or government officials should not be allowed to enter the system in order to get to the hospital. I also don't think anyone in the Federation government has alluded to such. The Republic should be allowed to visit.
But that's not what happened, is it? What happened is emotions ran high and a RSS military fleet illegally crossed the border into Federation space. Since that time there has been no attempt by the Republic to request access for a non military group to enter and oversee the care of the Ray of Matar. And yet, it seems like the Federation is receiving the most scrutiny, the most negative implications for their actions.
Please. The Federation has stated that she shouldn't be moved due to her current medical state. I don't believe they have said anything about not allowing Republic medical staff in to check out the situation for themselves.
Nor have they said that the Republic doesn't have the right to take Midular home. But if they do give in and move her in to Republic custody, who do you suppose is going to get the blame if she dies in the process?
Anslo wrote:[quote=Vikarion] NOW.
That being said, there's still absolutely ZERO excuse not to let Minmatar doctors assist in the situation in a cooperative clinical team during the situation. They won't give a name, a face, nothing about the killer. The least you jokers in the political and policy making sphere could do is let a gods damned DOCTOR IN WHO IS FROM AN ALLIED ENTITY.
Morons. Again. Has the Republic requested access for their own Doctors? Has the Federation said no? |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 20:51:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Why do we have to wait for them to ask? We know they're hurting over in the Republic. The least we could do is say "Look, you can't just barge in and kill the guy, but we can have alternatives and act right now. We can organize a joint investigatory team and collaborative medical group." This could have been done same day, or at least STARTED. That wouldn't have hurt a thing. It would have given them hope and something to feel better about as they would be acting instead of being talked to like kids.
We're a great Empire and all, but we have no reason to talk down to ANYONE. Yes, the effort should likely be made at this point to allow her people access. Prior to this point, though, I would say that the Federation was barely given any time to formulate their own next move.
As I said, I don't think anyone is denying that the Matari have a right to have access to Midular. I do think people have an issue with others claiming that the Federation is somehow denying this, though. Or people spouting unfounded claims that the Federation isn't allowing access, when no request has been made. It is a two way street, but difference between not sending them and answer or an invitation and saying "No" needs to be established. |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:18:00 -
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And to think, people were up in arms over my offhand comment. |
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.12 21:43:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: If she dies and the Republic have been denied access to her...
But they have not been denied access to her. Yes, the Federation has not reached out either. But that doesn't equal denial, and I would would also say that the RSS incident likely didn't help the matter either.
I'd also like pose the question of what happens if she should die whilst being transferred to Republic care? Will the Matari accept responsibility? Call me insensitive but based on what I've seen so far, I doubt it. It seems to me the Federation is going to take heat regardless of the course it chooses. My opinion is that they accept that, and move on with the patient's care in a way that is best for the patient.
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