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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:04:00 -
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This should just about cover it.
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Have you wardecced a carebear corp today?
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Mudro
Vanus Technical Solutions Corp Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:17:00 -
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Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? |
Castor Narcissus
Catarse
8
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:31:00 -
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Can you add my corp to your list?
Thanks. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:33:00 -
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Mudro wrote:Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? Nice strawman. I quote Yoda...
Ouchie leads to carebear tears, carebear tears lead to petitions, petitions lead to nerfing, nerfing leads to suffering http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1236
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:36:00 -
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Seriously you're still not offering a prize or other financial incentive?
Also I can't believe you guys are in DEVIL, I wasn't aware they had let their standards slip that much. Although these days letting incompetent morons into your alliance seems to be the trendy thing to do. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:38:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Seriously you're still not offering a prize or other financial incentive?
Orca and Charon kills achievable by a couple of misfits without large alliance, logi or hot-drop backing isn't incentive enough? :) http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1236
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:39:00 -
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I already declare war on carebears, if you want me to declare war on more carebears you're going to have to do something to make that happen. |
Castor Narcissus
Catarse
8
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:42:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Mudro wrote:Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? Nice strawman. I quote Yoda... Ouchie leads to carebear tears, carebear tears lead to petitions, petitions lead to nerfing, nerfing leads to suffering
Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed.
Either you want to believe it or not, CCP needs money to pay their servers and its employees, they will not let a good portion of the EvE player base leave the game or rumors of EvE online spread to the outside, be a PvP only game instead of the sandbox everyone hears about.
Use wardecs for ransoms, kick corps out of certain system, hurt high sec logistics of certain corps. Don't use wardec to "nerf" something that needs time to get tuned, I'm sure it's in the best CCP interest for people to use more low sec, but it can't be one of you idiots going full retards and nerf **** without thinking. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:54:00 -
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Castor Narcissus wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Mudro wrote:Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? Nice strawman. I quote Yoda... Ouchie leads to carebear tears, carebear tears lead to petitions, petitions lead to nerfing, nerfing leads to suffering Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed. ... Nerfing is happening already.
Whats needed is mass desensitization of carebears to non-consensual pew so that it is rightfully returned to status-quo expectation and accepted as core to EvE life. ie. If you don't use your brain you can still lose ships in hisec.
Protest works, be it the summer of rage, burn jita or dec-ageddon. Its time to force CCP to re-confirm their support of non-consensual PVP by head-on action, instead of sitting back and watching it die to continual paper cuts...
If CCP's response to dec-ageddon is further nerfing, we will have a clear answer on where they are going wont we? If however they instead do something like put a splash page at logon that reminds hisec players that non consensual pvp is what makes EvE great, we will have the *right* answer.
Either way, its time for a restatement of values, rather than under-the-covers nerfing by stealth.
Have you wardecced a carebear corp today? http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
387
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:58:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Castor Narcissus wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Mudro wrote:Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? Nice strawman. I quote Yoda... Ouchie leads to carebear tears, carebear tears lead to petitions, petitions lead to nerfing, nerfing leads to suffering Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed. ... Nerfing is happening already. Whats needed is mass desensitization of carebears to non-consensual pew so that it is rightfully returned to status-quo expectation and accepted as core to EvE life. ie. If you don't use your brain you can still lose ships in hisec. Protest works, be it the summer of rage, burn jita or dec-ageddon. Its time to force CCP to re-confirm their support of non-consensual PVP by head-on action, instead of sitting back and watching it die to continual paper cuts... If CCP's response to dec-ageddon is further nerfing, we will have a clear answer on where they are going wont we? If however they instead do something like put a splash page at logon that reminds hisec players that non consensual pvp is what makes EvE great, we will have the *right* answer.
You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon. |
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:00:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.
Thats the spirit!
Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears?
Sinking in yet?
Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp! http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
37
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:21:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.
Thats the spirit! Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears? Sinking in yet? Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!
er I think you might get more replies like that if you actually wardec corporations that are actually interested in pvp.
Then again I doubt you will because they will actually fight back.
Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
298
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:39:00 -
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I'm really surprised at all the negative responses to the OP. It seems like a great idea, and a lot of fun could be had.
One of the things I've noticed about living in nullsec is that its a lot more profitable to go into highsec to mine. Which just seems odd to me. But if all the nullsec alliances made a habit of deccing and roaming in highsec that might start to turn around as highsec corps dock up or disband.
And think of all the POS's going up in smoke! I actually kind of like POS bashing, just something about a big fleet with a lot of DPS and logi + cap support. You never know if someone is going to show up with a counter fleet. And some of the tower defenses are a challenge all on their own.
Or maybe rather than destroy them the owners could be given the option to pay rent on them. That could be a nice source of income and a good conflict driver as alliances fought for the new rental income.
And that really could be a great solution for the conflict averse; rather than hide in an NPC corp they could pay rent to a protective agency. They could just fleet up and join a regional intel channel, so the PvPers get an expanded intel network and some passive income, and the miners have some help avoiding gankers and war deccers.
This dynamic would also expose new players to the world of spaceship warfare sooner and perhaps present it in a more appealing light than the way it is described by the conflict averse players who live near to the starter systems.
But the starting point for this kind of interaction is more war declarations on POS owning corps in highsec.
+1 OP, sounds like a great direction for Eve. Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1263
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:43:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Are you :sadpanda: at the constant nerfing of EvE?
No.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Are you frustrated with the lack of targets to pew?
No
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Do carebears and their constant lobbying for bubble-wrapping of their mission & mining ships get up your nose?
No.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:There is an answer...
Stop fail-posting?
And referencing the disgraced attorney doesn't help your post any. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Morrow Disca
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
32
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:14:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.
Thats the spirit! Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears? Sinking in yet? Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!
Hey, you forgot to put a link in this post. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2370
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:00:00 -
[76] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Castor Narcissus wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Mudro wrote:Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? Nice strawman. I quote Yoda... Ouchie leads to carebear tears, carebear tears lead to petitions, petitions lead to nerfing, nerfing leads to suffering Carebear tears lead to nerfing, correct. With the right amount of tears, you will see wardec completely nerfed. ... Nerfing is happening already. Whats needed is mass desensitization of carebears to non-consensual pew so that it is rightfully returned to status-quo expectation and accepted as core to EvE life. ie. If you don't use your brain you can still lose ships in hisec. Protest works, be it the summer of rage, burn jita or dec-ageddon. Its time to force CCP to re-confirm their support of non-consensual PVP by head-on action, instead of sitting back and watching it die to continual paper cuts... If CCP's response to dec-ageddon is further nerfing, we will have a clear answer on where they are going wont we? If however they instead do something like put a splash page at logon that reminds hisec players that non consensual pvp is what makes EvE great, we will have the *right* answer. Either way, its time for a restatement of values, rather than under-the-covers nerfing by stealth.
Have you wardecced a carebear corp today?
I lolled.
I think PvPers need to htfu or gtfo with regards to carebears, because their way too sensitized to the idea of nigh-risk free pve game play.
Want expensive ganks of idiots in shiny ships?
Why dont you buy some shiny ships, fly them down to low-sec (old school freighter convoy style) and start some pew?
no?
Thought so. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
651
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:06:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Mudro wrote:Where are all these threads about carebears complaining? Nice strawman. I quote Yoda... Ouchie leads to carebear tears, carebear tears lead to petitions, petitions lead to nerfing, nerfing leads to suffering you mean there is no real evidences of carebear tears exist? And there is only rumors?
Ok |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
48
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:36:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:...
You talk a great deal about how highsec players cry and complain about griefing and wardecs. Many people do not seem to agree with you, so you say it takes place in the form of petitions. You also talk about this game in a rather nostalgic manner, wanting to return it to its roots of ten years ago, ignoring the fact that all good things evolve over time, and that if they did not, they would simply stagnate and eventually die. You are, in fact, wishing for the death of Eve with this campaign of yours.
I don't know who you are, and I've never heard of your corp, but I do know your alliance. It decced us when we formed our first corporation. We were very new. We started out with a goal of bringing new players together, where they could figure out what career paths they wanted to take in Eve and to work toward the goals they had set for their characters. We just wanted to make some friends, socialize, learn together, and have fun.
We were not PvP'ers, but we were not by any stretch of the imagination ignorant to the way Eve is. We know damn well that highsec isn't safe.
Your alliance griefed us for a period of three weeks. And I can assure you, nothing that was done to us "desensitized us" to the idea of PvP. We did our best to fight back, even taking the fight to you directly on the minute the wardec went into effect. We lost our first ship to pilot error, where he shot at another pilot that was a member of your alliance just one day prior but had dropped corp before the wardec went into effect, and thus he received a Concord response. That's how new we were.
Those three weeks were miserable. We could not fight your alliance. We didn't have the skills or the experience. We engaged your alliance in fleet three times, dying horribly every time. At that point, only a week or so in, we gave up trying to fight you and began trying to evade you. This, of course, did not matter, as you simply used locator agents to find us and pick us off one-by-one. During our second week, we hired The Ghost Army, because it was truly the only thing we felt we could do to try to protect ourselves. And thanks to them, this story had a semi happy ending.
All in all, however, your alliance did somewhere around 10B in damage to us, a brand new corp, not even a month old, to a bunch of truly new players to the Eve community. I believe you wanted to crush our spirits, and you did a pretty good job of that. It wasn't about desensitizing us. It is simply how you derive enjoyment out of Eve. You don't need to make excuses for this. Just be honest and say that you like deccing people weaker than you, for whatever perverse reason.
You weren't able to get us all to disband or leave Eve, but you certainly caused us enough harm that we now permanently pay for the assistance of two highsec merc alliances to deal with crap from people like you. And we have never once complained here or anywhere else. We've never filed a petition. We've not asked CCP to do a damned thing for us.
Your entire premise is wrong. You don't want to hear it, refuse to believe it, but you are what is destroying eve. Not us. We are the other side of Eve...the human side. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182994 http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1341
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:41:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Written by James315, a idiot megalomaniac with a god complex who actually thinks he makes some kind of difference to this game (he doesn't, just to clarify), and therefore not worth reading.
Most of the anti-high-sec PvPers are pussies. I spent a great deal of time defending high-sec carebears in wars and as soon as a PvP capable ship turns up they **** their pants and hide like little girls. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
36
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:41:00 -
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Eve isn't for everyone. Just because you get dec'd and can't deal with it doesn't mean Eve is dying. Last I checked it's been growing for 10 years as this kind of game.
Not every game is for everyone, and that's fine. Just because you and your crybaby don't like Eve and quit doesn't mean it's dying.
For what it's worth when I was 2 weeks old in the game my corp got dec'd by a vastly superior force. We lost a lot of frigs but it was a lot of fun and we all learned how the game works. Sounds like rswfire hasn't learned jack. |
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
52
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Posted - 2013.04.24 10:58:00 -
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WTFAMILOOKINGAT wrote:Eve isn't for everyone. Just because you get dec'd and can't deal with it doesn't mean Eve is dying. Last I checked it's been growing for 10 years as this kind of game.
Not every game is for everyone, and that's fine. Just because you and your crybaby don't like Eve and quit doesn't mean it's dying.
For what it's worth when I was 2 weeks old in the game my corp got dec'd by a vastly superior force. We lost a lot of frigs but it was a lot of fun and we all learned how the game works. Sounds like rswfire hasn't learned jack.
You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. No one quit. And nothing I said is "crying." It's amazing how often people are quick to jump on that bandwagon. Everything is either crying or "Eve isn't for everyone." I'm sorry you feel that way. Eve is complex and vast, full of great depth and potential. I like it here, and I'm not going anywhere. We are the other side of Eve...the human side. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182994 http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
388
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:18:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.
Thats the spirit! Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears? Sinking in yet? Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!
Are we decced yet? |
WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
36
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:22:00 -
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rswfire wrote: You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Quote:Your alliance griefed us for a period of three weeks.
Quote:Those three weeks were miserable. We could not fight your alliance.
Quote:We didn't have the skills or the experience
Quote:dying horribly every time...we gave up trying
Haha ok just a quick sampling, wonder where people might get the idea you're crying?
What's wrong with Eve not being for everyone? Not everyone likes Football (American or Real Football), does that mean we need to change either of those games? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2373
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:24:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:So much fail here in the 'enlightened' comments from bears in NPC corps, but I will try to elucidate... Azitek wrote: Because EvE is all about the ganking mission runners in highsec. Can't believe I've missed that all these years.
Comprehension fail +1. 'Ganking' involves suiciding oneself while taking out a target in hisec. DEC-AGEDDON does not propose increased suicide ganks, but more lawful wars filed with your local CONCORD office.
The term your after is suicide ganking, Jihad ganking or just Jihadding. Ganking implies the killers do said killing without Concord or assistance for the victim getting involved.
In terms of you "clearing up your lack of understanding" to the rest of us.....Don't bother. The value derived from your elucidations is not worth the cheated effort of having to digest them...
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
53
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:33:00 -
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WTFAMILOOKINGAT wrote:Haha ok just a quick sampling, wonder where people might get the idea you're crying? What's wrong with Eve not being for everyone? Not everyone likes Football (American or Real Football), does that mean we need to change either of those games?
I see. So a structured response stating some historical facts is crying. Thank you for clarifying. Further, my comments were made in the context of the original poster's comments and assumptions about how people like myself would react to his campaign. I just happened to have the benefit of being able to share a past experience that mirrors his objectives.
You may also want to note that nowhere within my post did I ever mention anything about changing this game. Quite the contrary, actually, as I was pretty clear that we dealt with the situation to the best of our ability at the time without ever complaining or asking CCP to do anything for us. It's not an idea I would have or will ever entertain.
At this point, there is nothing constructive for me to add. If you feel the need to have the last word, then by all means, feel free. We are the other side of Eve...the human side. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182994 http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
300
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Posted - 2013.04.24 11:59:00 -
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rswfire wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:... *Edited for space post #78 on page 4. All in all, however, your alliance did somewhere around 10B in damage to us, a brand new corp, not even a month old, to a bunch of truly new players to the Eve community. ... You weren't able to get us all to disband or leave Eve, but you certainly caused us enough harm that we now permanently pay for the assistance of two highsec merc alliances to deal with crap from people like you. And we have never once complained here or anywhere else. We've never filed a petition. We've not asked CCP to do a damned thing for us. ....
This is exactly what should happen. A new corp put together resources that were beyond their ability to protect and so they got war decced, and a big predetor fish came along and started farming. You guys had some adventures and some defeats, but ultimately you figured out what to do; hire some help, and get back to playing the game as you want to. So from this one war dec 5 different organizations, that would have never known about one another otherwise, clashed and in so doing created an interesting story.
I didn't find it to be whiny or complaint oriented, rather an excellent account of the events as seen from a very personal perspective.
The thing about balance in Eve that isn't talked about is that bears do affect "PvPers" They have a huge effect on all other players in Eve. And when left to their own devices they produce much more income ISK wise. The balance is that PvP oriented players have the ability to interact directly with bears in the form of suicide ganking and war dec's.
If you really want to be left alone in Eve then stop participating in the economy, stop affecting other players and taking away from income opportunities for those other players.
But if you enjoy the economy and creating things that affect others then you have to accept that they have the option to affect you. And that Eve is a place where those options suit the desired playstyles of many different kinds of player. Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Ritsum
Ubiquitous Hurt
165
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Posted - 2013.04.24 12:29:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: You haven't realised how stupid your campaign is... Wardec my corp and you will see when I get home how people can deal with your stupid decageddon.
Thats the spirit! Don't you see, that your response is precisely what I am trying to achieve in other carebears? Sinking in yet? Time for you to pay it forward now, and dec another carebear corp!
You do know they most likely meant they would either disband the corp and remake it or stay in a npc corp for a while or jmaybe ust stay docked up and do their trading games / play their main or alt while you sit on your backside outside a station waiting for them to undock... Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
301
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:17:00 -
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Ritsum wrote:
You do know they most likely meant they would either disband the corp and remake it or stay in a npc corp for a while or just maybe stay docked up and do their trading games / play their main or alt while you sit on your backside outside a station waiting for them to undock...
If they have towers up then they will lose them if they go passive, and there are many towers in highsec. Also there's always a few people who don't get the memo, or those that just want to practice evasion and wartime piloting even if they don't want to fight.
You are correct that there are workarounds to avoid war decs. Maybe declaring war should be less expensive to represent this fact. Or maybe more infrastructure should be moved outside of stations; CCP could make PI structures lootable, and they could move all refining, research, and industry slots to PI or POS's. In that way people could still avoid wardecs but there would be some consequences for doing so.
Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:22:00 -
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I don't think the OP understands the typical carebear at all. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
92
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:07:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I don't think the OP understands the typical carebear at all. I don't have level 4 locators in Caldari, Gallente and Amarr space solely because I want to find pvp targets, I was a mission-running carebear myself for quite a while.
My remedy to CCP nerfing hisec each release because of carebear demands & petitions is to engage with the carebear on a large and educational level, that desensitizes the bear to ship loss so it becomes an ingrained part of EvE life. The bear must be taught to think "Hisec is not a risk free theme park, I will lose ships, that's NORMAL. I need to accept that, not whine and beotch to get CCP to change the games fundamental values that makes it special. I will tank my ships, not mine AFK, watch local...I get it".
(As an added bonus, shooting said bears in the face in the interim is an enjoyable recompense for the damage they have already caused to a game I love. [see: exhumer buff, wardec increased costs & open allies, can-flipping killed, etc]).
Now, who is with me? Have you wardecced a carebear corp today? http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
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