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comander klieve
Assisted Suicide Services Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:29:00 -
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Not sure if this is the right place to put this but meh.
As a 0.0 player I am used to having raiding parties etc come through our space to disrupt us and loose us iskies...back in the day it was a fair fight and a defense fleet could be formed. now days with cloaky t3's and black ops gangs that just appear after a neut or red has been in local for 6 hours (probable afk). this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money.
There is no counter to this other than to wait, bait and take a massive risk as there is never any intel on what gang floats on the other side of that cyno.
My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose. What I suggest is that the cloak require a small amount of fuel, just enough to make it harder to float afk cloaked in a system.
Just a basic idea...thoughts? |
Drunken Bum
141
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:30:00 -
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Seriously. Fresh strawberry and peanut butter smoothie. Its like drinking a peanut butter and jam sammich. Spare some change?-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13883
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:32:00 -
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Cloaks are balanced by local. Want to change cloaks? Then change local. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Transmaritanus
Sinister Elite Black Legion.
43
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:34:00 -
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I guess you should just you know, learn how to pvp instead of being a scrub? |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
97
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:35:00 -
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Thread # 1455532345 on "Cloak is OP nerf cloak!"
If you can't deal with the psychological pressure of having a cloaked ship in your system, you don't deserve to use dat nullsec system.
A cloaked ship cannot directly harm you. Get some buddies together and prep a counterdrop. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
602
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:38:00 -
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I for one salute CCP for this groundbreaking emergent business plan, they get people to log in, sit afk using minimal system resources, and pay for a sub....
Well played CCP, well played.....
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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comander klieve
Assisted Suicide Services Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:13:00 -
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Not saying we can't deal with it, just saying that as a possible balance a fuel addition to a cloak might be good idea. We can counter it by forming a gang and baiting, usually waiting a long time if he is afk.
I just believe it gives the cloaky an unbalanced advantage. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6101
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:20:00 -
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comander klieve wrote:Not saying we can't deal with it, just saying that as a possible balance a fuel addition to a cloak might be good idea. We can counter it by forming a gang and baiting, usually waiting a long time if he is afk.
I just believe it gives the cloaky an unbalanced advantage.
How?
It literally cant do anything to hurt you while cloaked. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
110
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:21:00 -
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How about we just make cloaking for longer than say 5 minutes remove the cloaker from local?
No one will ever complain about afk cloakers again. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
334
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:21:00 -
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OP makes me want to take a cloaky and go to null sec just to sit afk in local all day. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Skorpynekomimi
496
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:25:00 -
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Defend your space better against the inevitable hotdrops, then?
Black ops gangs use a lot of expensive T2 ships. Keep scanning, and if local spikes, scan some more and try to catch them between arrival and cloaking up. Any loss inflicted on them can be painful.
They have to get the cyno ship in somehow. Step up your gatecamps.
Pro-active raids. Hit your neighbours before they hit you. Mount your own black ops raids; lurk cloaked in their system for hours until they're all asleep, then cyno more pilots in and log them off in safespots. When they start to log in to run anomalies, rat, and (after the update) mine, log everyone in, cyno in some more, and blow them up. Stealth bomber dat mining op. Pop a regular cyno and bridge in a HIC to tackle that ratting carrier. Reinforce a PoS or two overnight, or just fly around shooting at everything so they get spammed with alerts. **** |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1327
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:46:00 -
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comander klieve wrote:Not saying we can't deal with it, just saying that as a possible balance a fuel addition to a cloak might be good idea. We can counter it by forming a gang and baiting, usually waiting a long time if he is afk.
I just believe it gives the cloaky an unbalanced advantage.
Yea cause the fuel idea has NEVER come up either. |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
42
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:50:00 -
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/me sits in thread cloaked.
OP's alliance should suck less at holding space. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
879
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:51:00 -
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This is exciting, fresh content, OP. CCP has no sense of humour. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
89
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:04:00 -
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Cloaked ships have absolutely 0 combat edge on you except for when they decloak next to you and jam you...still they have to decloak and thus they arent cloaked when they do it lol PLUS cloaky ships are so much easier to take down then non cloaked ships. Manticores are tin foil. Widows have their issues compared to T1 BSes. The point is they are balanced. What you suggest is making the ship be penalized for doing something it was designed to do.
I should note that webbing freighters for insta warp was never intended as original game design either but it works...and ccp didnt think anyone would set up POSes in wormholes but they have. This style of game play is what eve thrives on, to say something is broke because you dont know how to confront it is just plain stupid. Absolutely no, leave cloaking the way it is. |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
44
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:04:00 -
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comander klieve wrote:Not saying we can't deal with it, just saying that as a possible balance a fuel addition to a cloak might be good idea. We can counter it by forming a gang and baiting, usually waiting a long time if he is afk.
I just believe it gives the cloaky an unbalanced advantage.
"waaaaah why aren't I safe in nullsec?" |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10701
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:07:00 -
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Annie Anomie wrote:comander klieve wrote:Not saying we can't deal with it, just saying that as a possible balance a fuel addition to a cloak might be good idea. We can counter it by forming a gang and baiting, usually waiting a long time if he is afk.
I just believe it gives the cloaky an unbalanced advantage. "waaaaah why aren't I safe in nullsec?"
Don't panic, I'll call the waaaaahmbulance! "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1647
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:18:00 -
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The OPs ideas are new and refreshing.
But...I'll just leave this here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699&find=unread
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1782
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:26:00 -
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Cloakies need to be fixed as much as suicide ganking needs to be fixed. In other words: not. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
19
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:29:00 -
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Yeah cloaked ships can in some rare situations be a hazard to you, such as if appearing in a group of 10 or tackling you for a larger gang or fleet.. But that's really the only advantage they have as well. It would be like taking the speed away from interceptors because it's annoying they can close in so fast.
But as for the fuel suggestion in particular.. I wouldn't really care so much, as I usually don't afk in space for prolonged periods of time anyways. Would just be annoying if it's a physical item to fill up your cargo hold. |
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
321
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:16:00 -
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Drunken Bum wrote:Seriously. Fresh strawberry and peanut butter smoothie. Its like drinking a peanut butter and jam sammich.
I like to make a peanut butter sandwich and just leave it on the table while I drink beer. It makes me feel as though I am eating healthy.
Sometimes I do this while cloaked. That makes me feel like I'm eating healthy and loosing weight. Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
445
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:19:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:OP makes me want to take a cloaky and go to null sec just to sit afk in local all day.
And he even used his normal name and not a forum alt by the looks of it, so it shouldn't be that hard. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
comander klieve
Assisted Suicide Services Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:23:00 -
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I personally do mine, and rat and do all that stuff when there is a cloaky in system because 9/10 he is afk and most of the time we do save whoever gets bloped. Was just looking for a discussion but troll all you like :) |
Dyphorus
VC Academy
8
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:41:00 -
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Is it really that hard to take your own cloaky T3 the next system over to rat? Seriously?
And yes, I've been there. The system I generally rat in was camped out 3 nights this week and... OMG... I had to go one whole system to rat peacefully.
You want safety.... go to empire and mine. |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
582
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:54:00 -
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As much as I think long term afk cloaking is a broken, exploited behaviour, that DOES violate terms stipulated in the EULA, even though CCP is not willing to act on that;
This thread again?
1: Go to Suggestions and Ideas forum 2: Ressurect the last 'solutions for the afk cloakers problem' thread 3: Post your idea in it
Thanks. |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
582
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:56:00 -
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Dyphorus wrote:Is it really that hard to take your own cloaky T3 the next system over to rat? Seriously?
And yes, I've been there. The system I generally rat in was camped out 3 nights this week and... OMG... I had to go one whole system to rat peacefully.
You want safety.... go to empire and mine.
Actually, for many corporations and alliances, this IS a real problem, especially when you factor in the further change to anomalies by the security level of the space coming in odyssey. Many people aren't content with the pathetic 30 or 40m an hour you make in your cloaky t3. Some of us would rather feel like we achieved something with our time, other than raking in some change.
That, and mining in 0.0 is safer than empire, depending on the region. |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
263
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:08:00 -
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comander klieve wrote: this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money.
There is no counter to this other than to wait, bait and take a massive risk as there is never any intel on what gang floats on the other side of that cyno.
Turn on a night light? But seriously read what you just wrote again. You want a counter.......to fear....... |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
616
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:55:00 -
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Let's look at this from a different perspective.
Small-scale and solo PVP in sov 0.0 is in such horrible shape that going AFK in systems for long periods of time is the best way to get a shot at killing someone. Roaming is a much more interesting activity, both allowing roamers to find more targets and allow for those targets to form defense gangs to defend their space.
The upcoming changes in Odyssey with regards to mining being buffed and placed into anomalies, the new exploration system, the rebalance of combat anomalies and the addition of more warp scrambling rats, and quick system scanning are all steps in the right direction.
They make roaming a more interesting and effective activity by both increasing the reward for players who live in nullsec, and by allowing players to more easily find each other for better or for worse. The uptick in roaming and productive small gang pvp will mean players will not have to resort to extreme measures to have fun. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1718
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:07:00 -
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Drunken Bum wrote:Seriously. Fresh strawberry and peanut butter smoothie. Its like drinking a peanut butter and jam sammich. i know a place that makes a killer strawberry caramel thick shake. it's so full of win. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
425
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:18:00 -
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comander klieve wrote: this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money. [...] My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose.
I'm sorry to hear in your alliance chat people complain for having to deal with some risk while ratting and mining in null sec. Of course game mechanics for the rest of EVE players should adapt to your alliance chat complaints and fears.
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Dyphorus
VC Academy
8
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:05:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Is it really that hard to take your own cloaky T3 the next system over to rat? Seriously?
And yes, I've been there. The system I generally rat in was camped out 3 nights this week and... OMG... I had to go one whole system to rat peacefully.
You want safety.... go to empire and mine. Actually, for many corporations and alliances, this IS a real problem, especially when you factor in the further change to anomalies by the security level of the space coming in odyssey. Many people aren't content with the pathetic 30 or 40m an hour you make in your cloaky t3. Some of us would rather feel like we achieved something with our time, other than raking in some change. That, and mining in 0.0 is safer than empire, depending on the region.
Rewards require risk. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
32
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:20:00 -
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comander klieve wrote:Not sure if this is the right place to put this but meh.
As a 0.0 player I am used to having raiding parties etc come through our space to disrupt us and loose us iskies...back in the day it was a fair fight and a defense fleet could be formed. now days with cloaky t3's and black ops gangs that just appear after a neut or red has been in local for 6 hours (probable afk). this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money.
There is no counter to this other than to wait, bait and take a massive risk as there is never any intel on what gang floats on the other side of that cyno.
My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose. What I suggest is that the cloak require a small amount of fuel, just enough to make it harder to float afk cloaked in a system.
Just a basic idea...thoughts?
Emorage.... it's not just for highsec carebears, anymore. If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
32
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:26:00 -
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This is the stupidest freaking thread I've ever seen in my life. And that's saying something, because I have started some ignorant goddamn threads.... If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1626
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Posted - 2013.04.28 05:04:00 -
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As someone who has lived in null for their entire eve career: shut up nerd. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4759
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Posted - 2013.04.28 05:51:00 -
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IIRC there are only two kinds of ships that can lock right away after decloak. One of these is paper tanked and the other can't warp cloaked. I think that's pretty balanced as far as cloaky camping goes. |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.04.28 06:11:00 -
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comander klieve wrote: My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose. What I suggest is that the cloak require a small amount of fuel, just enough to make it harder to float afk cloaked in a system.
Hands of my cov ops! That's my thought on this. With the lack of local, and the need for scouts, nerfing cloaks will seriously mess with WH life, and I like w-space the way it is (mostly).
As for 'we can't do anything when there's a cloaky in-system' - well don't bother coming to w-space is all I can say. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1110
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Posted - 2013.04.28 08:32:00 -
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Cloaks are fine |
ravill rivyll
Logica Solutions RED University
0
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Posted - 2013.04.28 09:28:00 -
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I would erase the person from local overview and I would make skill for detecting a cloaked ships in system. But it would only tell you "Cloaking system device track detected in system"... or something like that but the person should be covered completly the local is really akward you can cloak yourship but you cant close communication channel ...
Anaway handsoff the cloak ! |
Skorpynekomimi
500
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Posted - 2013.04.28 10:03:00 -
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With the upcoming nuking of grav sites, why not make gravitational signatures cloaked ships?
Find them by scanning for their mass. Maybe requiring special probes or skills, or just simply not giving a warp-able signature beyond 'there's a cloaker around here'. **** |
Raiz Nhell
Kangaroo Ate my baby Orchestrated Alliance
256
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Posted - 2013.04.28 10:08:00 -
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Crikey!! There is someone in the system that I can't see, that can't lock me, that can't active their weapons...
What can I do??!!
Maybe I could accept the fact that they aren't going to do squat, and go about my business... Or use a jumpgate and move to the system next door for a little while...
Or third solution is to accept a slight gimp to income, plan for the attack, and defend yourself and your space...
The one thing you should never do is whine on the forums doesn't help you in the slightest... There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1351
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Posted - 2013.04.28 10:11:00 -
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comander klieve wrote:Not sure if this is the right place to put this but meh.
As a 0.0 player I am used to having raiding parties etc come through our space to disrupt us and loose us iskies...back in the day it was a fair fight and a defense fleet could be formed. now days with cloaky t3's and black ops gangs that just appear after a neut or red has been in local for 6 hours (probable afk). this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money.
There is no counter to this other than to wait, bait and take a massive risk as there is never any intel on what gang floats on the other side of that cyno.
My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose. What I suggest is that the cloak require a small amount of fuel, just enough to make it harder to float afk cloaked in a system.
Just a basic idea...thoughts?
If he is afk, then move your miners and ratters next door. If he follows you then he's not afk. In which case set up a DPS heavy gate camp on the side he just came from and send your miners/ratters back. He gets caught, you kill him quickly. No hot-drop and no dead miners. Job done. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
comander klieve
Assisted Suicide Services Unclaimed.
1
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:52:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:comander klieve wrote: this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money. [...] My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose.
I'm sorry to hear in your alliance chat people complain for having to deal with some risk while ratting and mining in null sec. Of course game mechanics for the rest of EVE players should adapt to your alliance chat complaints and fears.
Finally someone gets it! thank you, now as well as that i think that you should all give me titans and money :) |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:58:00 -
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I'd like to see CCP make it so any Forum Thread talking about Cloaking gets instantly deleted... |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
475
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:02:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I'd like to see CCP make it so any Forum Thread talking about Cloaking gets instantly deleted... Nah, they just cloak them.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
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Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:18:00 -
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It's funny how scared people are of people that are AFK. sÅ»µä¢püäpü»µ¡út+¬pÇé |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14721
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:31:00 -
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comander klieve wrote:Not sure if this is the right place to put this but meh.
As a 0.0 player I am used to having raiding parties etc come through our space to disrupt us and loose us iskies...back in the day it was a fair fight and a defense fleet could be formed. now days with cloaky t3's and black ops gangs that just appear after a neut or red has been in local for 6 hours (probable afk). this causes fear to prevent anyone from mining, ratting or doing anything to make money.
There is no counter to this other than to wait, bait and take a massive risk as there is never any intel on what gang floats on the other side of that cyno.
My suggestion is simple. People in alliance chat keep saying that a cloak is unbalanced, and that you should be able to detect it. I disagree as detecting cloaks defeats the purpose. What I suggest is that the cloak require a small amount of fuel, just enough to make it harder to float afk cloaked in a system.
Just a basic idea...thoughts? How is cloaking unbalanced?
But if you seriously want to nerf cloaks, then you also need to balance that with a nerf to the cause of AFKing. What do you suggest that should be? Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
atpc
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:09:00 -
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Why not just like.. jump next door? thats what i usually do. If they follow they're obviously not AFK. If they dont then who cares |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1628
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:19:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:With the upcoming nuking of grav sites, why not make gravitational signatures cloaked ships?
Find them by scanning for their mass. Maybe requiring special probes or skills, or just simply not giving a warp-able signature beyond 'there's a cloaker around here'.
Why? If you have someone in local and chuck probes out you already know he's in a cloaked ship. No need to add a new mechanic. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
537
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:37:00 -
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Sigh.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2186
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:09:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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