Originally by: j0sephine

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Auto-lock + Empire + Stupidity = Concordokken.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Auto-lock + Empire + Stupidity = Concordokken.

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Originally by: Jezala

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My gut feeling is that drone specialists are getting a hefty boost. I hear a lot of moaning about the Dom going down from 15 to 5 drones out at a time, but when you consider the armor boost and damage boost there's the potential for a significant increase in the total damage(15 drones vs 5 drones) over time. At the same time, smartbombs (in their current form) are going to be nerfed in terms of ability to counter drones due to the damage over time increase.

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Originally by: Jezala

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My gut feeling is that drone specialists are getting a hefty boost. I hear a lot of moaning about the Dom going down from 15 to 5 drones out at a time, but when you consider the armor boost and damage boost there's the potential for a significant increase in the total damage(15 drones vs 5 drones) over time. At the same time, smartbombs (in their current form) are going to be nerfed in terms of ability to counter drones due to the damage over time increase.

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Originally by: craptacular

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Auto-lock + Empire + Stupidity = Concordokken.

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*slaps forehead*

My bad.

In the same line of thought, i guess using smartbombs at a gate in Jita is also an option.

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Originally by: craptacular

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Auto-lock + Empire + Stupidity = Concordokken.

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*slaps forehead*

My bad.

In the same line of thought, i guess using smartbombs at a gate in Jita is also an option.

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Originally by: jamesw

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Originally by: Andrx

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Not sure if this has been asked i didnt have the time to read all 25 pages, But what about the People who have trained drone interfacing to 5?

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its in the dev blog - 20% damage per level (or) 20% mining yield per level.

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Originally by: jamesw

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Originally by: Andrx

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Not sure if this has been asked i didnt have the time to read all 25 pages, But what about the People who have trained drone interfacing to 5?

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its in the dev blog - 20% damage per level (or) 20% mining yield per level.

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Originally by: Bsport

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how about drones have control points by drone class so example

Combat drones 1 control point each
EWAR Drones 2 control point each
Repair drones 3 Control Point each
Sentry Drones 4 control points each

So a max of 15 control point with the correct ship and skills. so this would allow alot more configurations when selecting drone types and would be alot more fun, as at the end of the day thats why we play the game

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Originally by: Tuxford

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[]They all come in 3 sizes, small, medium and large. The small one being 5m^3, medium 10m^3 and large 25m^3.

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Originally by: Bsport

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how about drones have control points by drone class so example

Combat drones 1 control point each
EWAR Drones 2 control point each
Repair drones 3 Control Point each
Sentry Drones 4 control points each

So a max of 15 control point with the correct ship and skills. so this would allow alot more configurations when selecting drone types and would be alot more fun, as at the end of the day thats why we play the game

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Originally by: Tuxford

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[]They all come in 3 sizes, small, medium and large. The small one being 5m^3, medium 10m^3 and large 25m^3.

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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TBH, I fail to see much reason behind many of the whines here. Seems to me that balance can generally be maintained with these changes, and drone specialists can finially come into thier own.

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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On the Domi:

It's true that the Dom losses more damage for every E-War drone it uses, but it also gains versatility via being able to carry a wider variety of drones (E-War and otherwise) for any possible situation it encounters. This added benefit counteracts the loss of dmg when such drones is used, in my eyes (and, to a lesser extent, this goes for all drone carriers).

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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TBH, I fail to see much reason behind many of the whines here. Seems to me that balance can generally be maintained with these changes, and drone specialists can finially come into thier own.

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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On the Domi:

It's true that the Dom losses more damage for every E-War drone it uses, but it also gains versatility via being able to carry a wider variety of drones (E-War and otherwise) for any possible situation it encounters. This added benefit counteracts the loss of dmg when such drones is used, in my eyes (and, to a lesser extent, this goes for all drone carriers).

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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TBH, I fail to see much reason behind many of the whines here. Seems to me that balance can generally be maintained with these changes, and drone specialists can finially come into thier own.

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As me and quite a few drone specialists have noted, this is not true. Drone specialists are actually getting kicked in the teeth here, *everyone else* gets a boost.

When you've spent months and months training high-rank drone skills to get there, and then have them made semi-useless (yes, a bit more damage from my Drone Interfacing V is semi-useless, seeing it's a rank 5 skill), makes for unhappy campers.

Originally by: Paradox Eve

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On the Domi:

It's true that the Dom losses more damage for every E-War drone it uses, but it also gains versatility via being able to carry a wider variety of drones (E-War and otherwise) for any possible situation it encounters. This added benefit counteracts the loss of dmg when such drones is used, in my eyes (and, to a lesser extent, this goes for all drone carriers).

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Variety in what you can have in your drone bay doesn't count for all that much, when you cannot actually use that variety. Dom needs drones for combat. Sure, we can choose the damage type -- but we could do so before this, too. So the Dom stays the same.

Meanwhile, the drone capabilities of other ships have been *significantly* boosted compared to the Dom. Many of them can now launch exactly as many drones as the Dom can -- and since they aren't "drone ships" and aren't hampered by lousy ship stats, they get this in addition to their normal damage and tanking.

Dom: grid 9000, 5 drones, 6 turret slots (but can't mount large weapons due to grid)

Geddon: grid 16500, 5 drones, 7 turret slots (and is *already* known for excellent damage output)

You really don't see a problem here?

The battleships were pretty well balanced before, I think most people agree on this. Now the comparative drone capabilities of some of them have been significantly raised. Quick quiz: what do you imagine this does to battleship balance?

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Originally by: Paradox Eve

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TBH, I fail to see much reason behind many of the whines here. Seems to me that balance can generally be maintained with these changes, and drone specialists can finially come into thier own.

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As me and quite a few drone specialists have noted, this is not true. Drone specialists are actually getting kicked in the teeth here, *everyone else* gets a boost.

When you've spent months and months training high-rank drone skills to get there, and then have them made semi-useless (yes, a bit more damage from my Drone Interfacing V is semi-useless, seeing it's a rank 5 skill), makes for unhappy campers.

Originally by: Paradox Eve

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On the Domi:

It's true that the Dom losses more damage for every E-War drone it uses, but it also gains versatility via being able to carry a wider variety of drones (E-War and otherwise) for any possible situation it encounters. This added benefit counteracts the loss of dmg when such drones is used, in my eyes (and, to a lesser extent, this goes for all drone carriers).

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Variety in what you can have in your drone bay doesn't count for all that much, when you cannot actually use that variety. Dom needs drones for combat. Sure, we can choose the damage type -- but we could do so before this, too. So the Dom stays the same.

Meanwhile, the drone capabilities of other ships have been *significantly* boosted compared to the Dom. Many of them can now launch exactly as many drones as the Dom can -- and since they aren't "drone ships" and aren't hampered by lousy ship stats, they get this in addition to their normal damage and tanking.

Dom: grid 9000, 5 drones, 6 turret slots (but can't mount large weapons due to grid)

Geddon: grid 16500, 5 drones, 7 turret slots (and is *already* known for excellent damage output)

You really don't see a problem here?

The battleships were pretty well balanced before, I think most people agree on this. Now the comparative drone capabilities of some of them have been significantly raised. Quick quiz: what do you imagine this does to battleship balance?

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Originally by: Nafri

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That dominix cant fit large guns is a lie

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Originally by: Nafri

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That dominix cant fit large guns is a lie

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/11/2005 10:33:13

Originally by: Nafri

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That dominix cant fit large guns is a lie

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Oh ffs Nafri, get your head out of the paper bag (and how about sometimes not quoting the entire post just to add one line of comment, eh?)

Of course the Dom *can* fit large weapons if it sacrifices enough low slots. But the Geddon can do that with no sacrifice (as can other battleships) and use those low slots for something else.

Again: 9000 grid vs 16500 grid. 7 lowslots vs 8 lowslots. You do the math.

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