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Hydra Snipes
Elite Dawg Bounties
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:17:00 -
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They should change it so a corp member can't just kill you high sec just cause he is in your corp I understand corps wanna test fittings against each other but that's something you can do with the duel function and it protects me and my non combat mining vessels/ mining support vessels from a guy that wants to kill my orca for "lulz" and me losing 750 mill just cause a guy thinks its funny it would also make it easier for corps to grow cause you don't have to worry about a guy joining just to kill you in high sec |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:21:00 -
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Or you could actually, like, do background & API checks on new recruits, talk to their former CEOs, etc. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1219
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:22:00 -
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Why was your orca pilot in corp, in high sec anyway? Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:44:00 -
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AWOXing is kind of in the core concept of Eve, so I highly doubt that this will be changed at all....ever. Pretty sure CCP even encourages awoxing in the office. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Hydra Snipes
Elite Dawg Bounties
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:49:00 -
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Killing people high sec is a core concept in the game? Whats the point of high sec then? Have new players do a tutorial then get dumped in space where they can die anywhere |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:54:00 -
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you can always die anywhere in highsec, even in an npc corp |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:56:00 -
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Gospadin wrote:Or you could actually, like, do background & API checks on new recruits, talk to their former CEOs, etc.
There are many reasons to agress a corp member:
1.) Corp Tournaments (which are very tedious with the dueling mechanic) 2.) Web-to-warp Freighters and Orcas and stuff. 3.) Revenge against a corp thief that has been caught red handed. 4.) To AWOX 5.) To test a fit. 6.) To add an element of "trust" into corp recruitment. |
Hydra Snipes
Elite Dawg Bounties
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:56:00 -
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Yea but you get punished if you out of no where attack and kill someone high sec but there's no punishment if you attack and kill a fellow corp mate |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2225
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:21:00 -
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Hydra Snipes wrote:Yea but you get punished if you out of no where attack and kill someone high sec but there's no punishment if you attack and kill a fellow corp mate
Are you familiar with social justice?
There might not be a concord response, but if you post (ideally in Crimes and Punishment) that they are a Corp AWOXer, along with proof, then the next corp they apply to will probably deny them entry because they can't be trusted. You can additionally attack them back, bounty them, hiring mercs, by suicide gank them, by following their progress and letting their future corp mates know they can't be trusted.
Being effectively Blacklisted is a hell of a lot more brutal a punishment than losing a ship to concord!!!
Now, I realize there will be lots of Corps out there that don't bother to do a basic forum search, don't bother to get account API's to check out the "characters" founded on all toons, etc...
Here's a question:
Is it better to leave social justice and black listing to corps? Or should CCP simply prevent AWOXing? I prefer the punishment come from the players!! |
Hydra Snipes
Elite Dawg Bounties
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:24:00 -
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im a miner I like mining and doing production I tried pvp and was aweful at it id rather be able to mine in peace and not have my ships blown up I understand that if I go into low/null sec that people can attack me im fine with that but if im high sec I don't wanna have to worry about other players attacking me for "lulz" as he said |
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:30:00 -
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Doesn't your corp have a stupidy rule where corp members pay you for your loss if they willfully cause it. What about a ship replacement program. You should take it up with your corp leadership. Tiericide is tiers by another name. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:32:00 -
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Hydra Snipes wrote:im a miner I like mining and doing production I tried pvp and was aweful at it id rather be able to mine in peace and not have my ships blown up I understand that if I go into low/null sec that people can attack me im fine with that but if im high sec I don't wanna have to worry about other players attacking me for "lulz" as he said Wether it is a suicide ganker or an awoxer, you will be subject to death for "lulz". But from the way it sounds you would be best suited in a NPC corp. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Hydra Snipes
Elite Dawg Bounties
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:39:00 -
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yea ill be subject to a suicide ganker but ill feel better if I know they get their ship blown up as well |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:48:00 -
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So you don't mind out of corp ganking but you want CCP to take care of AWOXers who should be taken care of by your corp management at recruitment stage? Switch to NPC corp and be happy. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:35:00 -
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Hydra Snipes wrote:Killing people high sec is a core concept in the game? Whats the point of high sec then? Have new players do a tutorial then get dumped in space where they can die anywhere "Killing people high sec is a core concept in the game?"
Yup it sounds like core concept of game to me. It looks like you are misunderstanding something.
You agree to *nonconsensual* pvp by undocking. Highsec is just some place where people can't kill each other regardless of everything. If you play be the concord rules though...
You have nobody to blame but yourself.
Go take your safety into your captains quarters and leave it there wimp.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
577
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Posted - 2013.06.29 06:05:00 -
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Came expecting some strange suggestion for a corp-killing corp.
Found a thread about how the evil AWOXer killed an Orca.
I'm quite disappointed. I was all primed and curious, wondering "How can you 'kill' a corp with another corp?"
OP should go back to an NPC corp and stay there. You can mine quite peacefully in them, and there are no AWOXers. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.06.29 07:58:00 -
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Hydra Snipes wrote:Killing people high sec is a core concept in the game? That is correct.
Hydra Snipes wrote:Whats the point of high sec then? High security does not equal safety. Concord punishes for crimes but does nothing to prevent them. That punishment is a deterrent for many crimes to be committed. But losing a ship to a corp member (in a player run corp) does not constitute a crime - its your own corp's problem.
Hydra Snipes wrote:Have new players do a tutorial then get dumped in space where they can die anywhere That is also correct. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.29 10:06:00 -
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No. Bad as corp awoxing is and as much against piracy as a whole as I am, I still wouldn't take those away from them.
However, I would like more tools to use against it. As I mentioned in other threads, a sort of "Internal Affairs" tool-set made available to Directors would be great. Amongst the options will be 'marking' reported awoxers. What this flag will do is then make any neutral reps on them receive limited engagement to the corp and members. Of course a director will have to actually be online to do this. So maybe an awoxer will have to add that detail to his planned strikes and times. Maybe even an extra option to flag a corp thief as kill-on-site to corp/alliance members for x amount of time. Much like a limited Killright, but only available to the corp and cannot be made public.
No CONCORD. No global criminal flags. Just a tool-set to handle it within the corp and by the affected players. |
TehCloud
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:03:00 -
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Quote:Have new players do a tutorial then get dumped in space where they can die anywhere
This is an extremly accurate description of EVE Online. My Condor costs less than that module! |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.29 12:12:00 -
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Hydra Snipes wrote:They should change it so a corp member can't just kill you high sec just cause he is in your corp I understand corps wanna test fittings against each other but that's something you can do with the duel function and it protects me and my non combat mining vessels/ mining support vessels from a guy that wants to kill my orca for "lulz" and me losing 750 mill just cause a guy thinks its funny it would also make it easier for corps to grow cause you don't have to worry about a guy joining just to kill you in high sec
Why is your orca not tanked to fend off 1 player until help arrives. It's empire and not 0.0 where its cap/super drive by attacks.
Where is your corp at when this is happening? Are you mining 10's of systems away? or are 5 blues next door and not answering calls for help.
Why is your orca not fitting ECM drones? Law of averages says a few ECM drones should have your new friend blind at some point to gtfo.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1451
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Posted - 2013.06.29 13:06:00 -
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They should change it so wowscrubs who don't understand this game aren't allowed to post on the forums with their meaningless cries until they've proven they understand the concepts and the whole players-responsible-for-themselves aspect of EVE |
Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:11:00 -
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Hydra Snipes wrote:Killing people high sec is a core concept in the game? Whats the point of high sec then? Have new players do a tutorial then get dumped in space where they can die anywhere
That. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
6805
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:59:00 -
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this belongs in general discussion with all the other rage threads. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
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