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Rcat5
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Posted - 2005.12.16 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Chee
Originally by: Raaki Stop complaining.
Just change the font to ANY you like.
Find the font files in your eve-folder and replace them with windows font files.
I just replace everything with Arial.
Sorry... I'm just a programmer. I don't know every detail of Windows Font Management, let alone how the EVE Client happens to handle them.
So, comparing the new RMR installation to an older ColdWar installation on the old computer, the files in EVE/res/common/Font/ have changed, but not the ones in pilfonts/.
Specifically, the new version has a single file called evesansmm.pfb; while the older directory has dnea__.pfb, and several .ttf files.
I'm not thinking renaming the .pfb file is going to handle everything since the new version is probably UTF8, and is also probably the only font used instead of the multiple files used before.
A quick test run confirms that doing this gives you a nice black screen.
Care to elaborate for those of us who are less uB3r-l33t than yourself?
I'm sure this technically violates the EULA somewhere, but it's for a good cause (keeping me addicted to the game, not pain killers).
The PIL fonts appear to do nothing at all, at least i didn't find anything broken when i moved them all. The PFB is what's doing everything, i looked at it abit, but i'm not an expert in Adobe Type 1 fonts. Nor do i care to mess with it enough tonight. CCP needs to fix the fonts themselves, if they don't, i don't see any reason to keep giveing them money.
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:02:00 -
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I have 2 copies of Eve - Tranquility installed. I have the original installer I downloaded from August.
If you can tell me how to move the fonts from the original install to the new patch, I would love to do it, and would not bash you in any way. ____ Hull Upgrades Level 4
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Augustus Var
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Augustus Var on 16/12/2005 10:06:22
Originally by: Udat There are several options in the client, to change the font size, width and spacing.
However if you are having issues with your eyesight ater only 10 minutes of gameplay, an eye test might be in order
I get a complete eye exam every July. I still have 20/15 vision as of 5 months ago and I am experiencing serious eye strain from this new font, even with the font "adjustments" in the menu. Due to the sarcasm of your response to a serious question, can you tell me if CCP actually tests new fonts on the user base or do they just pull a random one from out of an orifice and implement it?
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Clari
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Scyrdein Yes, this violates EULA and detectable. As a result = BAN !
i seriously doubt that they would care...
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Lucre
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:18:00 -
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Add me to the list of those who hate the new font.
It really is horrible. To make it even halfway readable without eyestrain (I run in 1280x1024 on a good flatscreen) it has to be enlarged and widened to the point where chat boxes need to be larger than they were before not helping the usual screen real-estate shortage. And it's still hard to read. And it's so ugly.
What is the point of asking people to test the patch out on the development server if you don't listen to what they say? And what they said (time and again) was The Font Sucks.
If the client needs to be able to support a font which displays in Korean or whatever, fine. But let the rest of us use a decent one, huh?
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Nela Foxx
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:21:00 -
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I must join the choir, the new font is horrible.
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio I'm not a troll. You can CHANGE the game font simply by changing it in yor eve folder. Now you have 100% ultimate freedom.
Even without doing that, the font is still 100% fine. You are just picky nitpickers who have nothing better to do than analyze pixels and complain all day.
Trolling, Forum mods - ban this loser. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 16/12/2005 10:31:23 I like the new font, but if it is causing problems then it should go or be reworked. It would be a shame, but I'd rather lose the font than the players (Well, most of them).
As to the changing the font on your client, if things still work as they used to, you just need to build the correct folder structure to mirror the .stuff files. Should you do it? No.
Should you have to do it? No.
Should CCP tell you how to do it, and sanction it, whilst they decide what to do? Definately. ______________________________________________
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Tar om
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:32:00 -
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btw, at least we've found out what the new optimisations are to reduce server load -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." |
Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kristo Tomar umm get your eyes checked may help
and?
Gazing at screen causes Myopia
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:44:00 -
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Im sorry but how many games can you name where you can change the font? Hmmm none, oh thats right.
I'm guessing that dude to the change to the uni-code systemt he old font was "broke" and thus they needed a new font, and no matter how much moaning will get the old font to work with the new system.
So lets hope that there will be no more of those stupid "If it an't broke don't fix it" crap!
Personally I hvae had no problems with the new font
-------- "Next time some f**** shoots someone and flies down the interstate at 90 mph. Instead of following it with a camera crew, they need to send in an Apache to just crater him" - Malthros Zenobi |
Tar om
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:47:00 -
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I've searched my drive for *.pfb and I get about 40 of them. Some are in the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 folders and some are installed by The Gimp - none of them seem to work if you copy them to the Fonts directory. This is what I tried so far:
1. Remove evesansmm.pfb, move new font in, start EVE - black screen. 2. As above, rename new font to evesansmm.pfb, start EVE - black screen. 3. Copy MSAriel unicode TTF to font folder, start EVE - black screen.
So, I'm wondering if the guy who first suggested changing to arial was talking out of his... hat... -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." |
Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:48:00 -
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If someone count this:
Pls return to old fonts. No fun in playing game which makes my eyes exosted in less than 30 mins of playing.
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Willo Vasquez
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:52:00 -
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Some people have suggested changing the current RmR font with one either from Windows, or from from a pre RmR EvE install.
Could someone from CCP care to officially comment if this would be a breach of the EULA and treated as such, or would be be allowed to do this?
On a positive note, appart from the Font issues, I'm liking what I see or RmR so far, lots of nice tweaks and touches.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:56:00 -
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renaming arial.ttf to the 4 fonts don`t work, tried with several different and no change
it`s the pfb file and don`t see any easy way to make 1 with arial ________________
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Olixia Castitatis
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Udat There are several options in the client, to change the font size, width and spacing.
*gasp* He speaks the truth! Guys, try turning Fint width up to Wide under "Generic" in the options menu. It made it much better, for me.
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Virida
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:58:00 -
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The new font is ugly, yes. I still see it clearly, if i squint, and i had to put my eyes 5 cm from screen to read medium font in 1280x960.
I recognice the font, btw. It is used in OLD redhat linux, version 4.8 or 5 or something. From the middle on 90's, and it is an UNICODE i think, seems as it got same size as some alphabets.
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morifeine
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:03:00 -
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Have you tried the option -> general -> font size -> Wide ?
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: morifeine Have you tried the option -> general -> font size -> Wide ?
it's still less readable than the old one, and it's bigger which means less info in same space.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:07:00 -
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/begs Devs to change ASAP.
New font is nice and cute but useless in terms of functionality. I tried using wide settings and largest text in chat box. Looks tolerable but not for more than an hour. Would be nice *if* I can the text in the *input chat box* the same size as my viewing chat box.
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Scyrdein
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:07:00 -
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RMR > RER - Red Eyes Rising :) ---
Hey! Return my eyelashes! |
Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: morifeine Have you tried the option -> general -> font size -> Wide ?
THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION
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Chrizto
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:13:00 -
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Tho I don't have troubles with the new font at all, I do feel for all those people who do. Why would those people whine about a font if it wasn't really an issue? Sure CPP is used to push aside certain whines cuz it's actually the player wanting to get better out of it. But this time there's nothing for them to gain except a better view on the text.
Maybe you'll get used to the font, maybe not. Be smart, change the font as a precaution. ----
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: morifeine Have you tried the option -> general -> font size -> Wide ?
THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION
He wants us to have this...
T H I S I S N O T A S O L U T I O N T H I S I S N O T A S O L U T I O N T H I S I S N O T A S O L U T I O N T H I S I S N O T A S O L U T I O N
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kasalupin
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:15:00 -
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Well, first of all congratulation for the CCP team for the great work on this update.
On the font issue, I tried for 5 minutes RMR this morning and I agree that the font are not that legible. This bring me to summarize the issues to these points:
A) Why did CCP need to change the font. It is true that I have seen many posts on this issue and no official answer has been given yet. Is it for optimization purpose, IP right issue (yes fonts are protected stuff). I would appreciate an official answer on the reason for this change.
B) If a lot of people complained about it in the testing phase and it does not bring any improvement in the game play why did this change was nevertheless done?
C) If people like me do not really like this new font, what steps are given to manually change the font type setting aside the change in font size without breaking the EULA.
I hope we can get a constructive solution to this small issue regarding a great update.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: morifeine Have you tried the option -> general -> font size -> Wide ?
Not that big change. Only abit bigger but still hardly readable. ------ BlogÖ |
itorius
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:17:00 -
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after seeing it on the test server, and not likeing it initialy. now it is live on the game after a cpl hours playing i seem to have got used to it. but if it is giving ppl headaches then it might be cause for alarm u dont want ur game making ur customers poorly.
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Elissianus
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: morifeine Have you tried the option -> general -> font size -> Wide ?
Hmmm, let see, this was only suggested about 9 hours ago in this very thread.
Please read the thread before posting. As people have said: -
1. Maybe there is a reason for the font change (Unicode or something) but I'd like an official response on this. 2. Maybe you can improve things by doing this (I have) but you lose information from the screen and, to be honest, shouldn't be necessary. 3. Copying fonts from windows over the top of existing Eve files is not a solution either, and I'd be worried about breaking my Eve installation.
Come on CCP, please just tell us why it has changed and whether or not we have any other alternatives...
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beaverbrooks
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:32:00 -
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I'm fairly new to the game and must say I already miss the old font. The first thing my friend said to me over ventrilo when we both logged in to RMR at the same time was EXACTLY what I was thinking, WTF did CPP DO. I could not believe it, I hadn’t even undocked my first time playing RMR and I was disgusted. So it seems like others here I find myself hunched over the desk at my monitor trying to see what I’m trying to type into the input window regardless of the font settings. Medium is too big for comfort plus Small is a joke. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason CPP had to do this. The in game GUI font (something I think doesn’t change with those text options, correct me if I’m wrong) is made partly blurry in some places to what seems anti aliasing, a lot of the numbers on stacked items in the hanger in icon view is also blurred and hard distinguish and that’s not the end of it.
Something like this wont stop me from buying eve but id really be more than let down if CPP didnt take something like this seriously.
So, Perfect eye vision = Yes. Problems with cold war edition = No. Get our eyes checked? = Hahahahaha right.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:33:00 -
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I love the new font and really didn't like the old one. I don't care if some people get headaches because of it. What _would_ be nice, but might not be doable, is if CCP somehow would enable the client to change font to it's own liking. They could perhaps give us the choice of a few selected fonts, the old one would be one of them. But I have no idea if that would be too complicated to include in the game. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
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