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Annalise Elina Amaranthus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:13:00 -
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Before you blast and troll me, please read the entire thing carefully so you will understand my reasoning behind this.
Why would any of the 4 Empires star stations in Empire Space want a criminal to use their services? If concord will chase you through space, the star stations should not want your business and refuse you docking permission, or at the least bend you over and charge you a huge docking and service fee to allow you to use their services.
To take this a step further, if your standing with an empire branch is low enough that they want to shoot you in the face, you shouldn't be allowed to dock in one of their stations. Example. Your standing with the Amarr Empire is -4.59, you are allowed to dock in Amarr empire allied stations. However, if your standing with the Amarr Empire is -5.0 no Amarr allied station will allow you to dock.
Now, by allied station I mean specifically, Amarr Empire NPC corporations etc. I am not talking about Caldari stations as well in my example.
Now there is more here so don't get your grundies in a bundle just yet.
I propose that CCP create Criminal star stations in empire space where criminals can dock for free, but 'good guys' get charged exorbitant docking and service fees (and run the risk of having a module stolen off their ship by the criminal station denizens. Whats good for the goose...). Their services would be identical for all intents and purposes but they'd add another layer of immersion to the game (same with the standings idea). Now the real trick would be if you have sucky standings with the criminal organizations, their not going to want you to dock either, so you'll need to have no lower than a -4.99 standing with them to dock in their stations.
basically this would add more depth and give more interesting consequences to career paths. You could make it so there were special black market missions to raise your criminal standings with the criminal organizations like Guristas etc.
Just some thoughts that were peculating through my head to add more depth and immersion to the game and make it have some rea interesting twists and complications. |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:20:00 -
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i'm sure that they will get onto that straight away.
If you have anymore of this please post on General Discussion as we need to read this. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:23:00 -
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Mostly because, "criminal status" is not dependent on having done anything illegal to those 4 empires.
You're breaking CONCORD's laws, so only they chase/harrass you.
Now, you join Amarr FW corp in the middle of Rens? Then the empire's ships will attack you.
CONCORD /= Empires.
Also, proposals belong in a different forum, not here. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Annalise Elina Amaranthus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mostly because, "criminal status" is not dependent on having done anything illegal to those 4 empires.
You're breaking CONCORD's laws, so only they chase/harrass you.
Now, you join Amarr FW corp in the middle of Rens? Then the empire's ships will attack you.
CONCORD /= Empires.
Also, proposals belong in a different forum, not here.
yeah I just remembered I should have posted this in features and ideas. it's been a long time since I played so wasn't really thinking much past hmm this is an interesting thought that would really make the game more interesting.
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Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:29:00 -
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Capitalism does not care about your security status. You're all just floating ships of isk in the eyes of the station commanders and marketeers. "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.
Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon |
Annalise Elina Amaranthus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:34:00 -
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Takari wrote:Capitalism does not care about your security status. You're all just floating ships of isk in the eyes of the station commanders and marketeers.
There is that. true. Greed knows no allegiance except to itself.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:42:00 -
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Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote:
Why would any of the 4 Empires star stations in Empire Space want a criminal to use their services?
Real Life criminals walk into McDonald's for burgers all the time after completing their nefarious acts.
Is Scotty the Docking Manager responsible for keeping up with the news ??? |
Haramir Haleths
Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:46:00 -
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From the perspective of Roleplaying, this is correct. From the perspective of Gameplay, this is a bad thing |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:31:00 -
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So let me get this straight. If you are a criminal you can't dock and concord hates you. Yet they would allow criminals to make whole criminal stations ins empire? Sure the station would just get Concorded.
They have criminal stations. They are in low/null and are run by pirate factions. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:43:00 -
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1. When you become a criminal in hisec you cannot dock or jump.
2. Why exclude anyone from any area of the game for any reason? That goes against the sandbox.
3. this |
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Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:48:00 -
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When you break CONCORD's laws, you are not doing anything wrong against the empires. The empires do no care if you shoot another capsuleer, it has nothing to do with them and they would probably rather not get involved.
Even if the empires did care (which they wouldn't) the vast majority of stations (generally outside of Amarr space) are run by corporations which have very loose ties to the empires they reside in anyway. So even if the empire did not want you to dock, the corporations which own the stations wouldn't listen to them anyway. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:50:00 -
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corporations are different then factions. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Mass Overload
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:06:00 -
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Haramir Haleths wrote:From the perspective of Roleplaying, this is correct. From the perspective of Gameplay, this is a bad thing
Not even from an RP perspective. Any violence you do against players doesn't mean crap to the Empires. THe exception is if that player was in a FW corp, in which case you lose reputation with that faction accordingly. The empires couldn't care less how many unaligned capsuleers you kill. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:10:00 -
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So youre saying we need to nerf Highsec.
Agreed.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:27:00 -
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Didn't think you could dock with a GCC.... oh well, silly me "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote:
Why would any of the 4 Empires star stations in Empire Space want a criminal to use their services?
Real Life criminals walk into McDonald's for burgers all the time after completing their nefarious acts. Is Scotty the Docking Manager responsible for keeping up with the news ???
It is if you're known to be banned from McDonald's. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:02:00 -
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Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote: Why would any of the 4 Empires star stations in Empire Space want a criminal to use their services? If concord will chase you through space, the star stations should not want your business and refuse you docking permission, or at the least bend you over and charge you a huge docking and service fee to allow you to use their services.
Beccause faction standing has nothing to do with security status and the "criminal" label is something veru relative and only related to Concord and specific actions in specific space.
Because empires are not under Concord law. there's no central governament in New Eden.
Becuase Concord is not like FBI in a context where New Eden is like USA.
Because EVE is not an "ethic" game setting, with good and bad guys; I'm an hero for the Minmatar Republic, I could commi any act of crime against Concord but the Republic will still greet me like an hero when I dock in their stations. On the other side Amarr consider me a terrorist and their NPC insults and chase me when I fly in Amarr space.
Because, in the end, EVE do not provide "morals" letting the players building it. That's one of the best thing in this game :)
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Lee Hekard
Photon Scorpions
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:06:00 -
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Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote:Before you blast and troll me, please read the entire thing carefully so you will understand my reasoning behind this.
Got this far, got bored. Stop QQ-ing, l2p. Will read the rest later. |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:10:00 -
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Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote:Before you blast and troll me, please read the entire thing carefully so you will understand my reasoning behind this.
Why would any of the 4 Empires star stations in Empire Space want a criminal to use their services? If concord will chase you through space, the star stations should not want your business and refuse you docking permission, or at the least bend you over and charge you a huge docking and service fee to allow you to use their services.
To take this a step further, if your standing with an empire branch is low enough that they want to shoot you in the face, you shouldn't be allowed to dock in one of their stations. Example. Your standing with the Amarr Empire is -4.59, you are allowed to dock in Amarr empire allied stations. However, if your standing with the Amarr Empire is -5.0 no Amarr allied station will allow you to dock.
Now, by allied station I mean specifically, Amarr Empire NPC corporations etc. I am not talking about Caldari stations as well in my example.
Now there is more here so don't get your grundies in a bundle just yet.
I propose that CCP create Criminal star stations in empire space where criminals can dock for free, but 'good guys' get charged exorbitant docking and service fees (and run the risk of having a module stolen off their ship by the criminal station denizens. Whats good for the goose...). Their services would be identical for all intents and purposes but they'd add another layer of immersion to the game (same with the standings idea). Now the real trick would be if you have sucky standings with the criminal organizations, their not going to want you to dock either, so you'll need to have no lower than a -4.99 standing with them to dock in their stations.
basically this would add more depth and give more interesting consequences to career paths. You could make it so there were special black market missions to raise your criminal standings with the criminal organizations like Guristas etc.
Just some thoughts that were peculating through my head to add more depth and immersion to the game and make it have some real interesting twists and complications.
I doubt that there would be any real change to gameplay with that plan.
Most low sec and null sec stations are not frequented enough by highseccers to make a difference. Additionally, the probably of ship loss and dangerous passage makes low/null stations undesirable in the first place to high-seccers (the reason why most RL countries got to great lengths to protect there sea trade routes as it is the blood flow of economy for the most parts).
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Annalise Elina Amaranthus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:45:00 -
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Thanks for all the input and commentary and explanations re:Concord and the Empires. I see how I was thinking things didn't actually fit within the game verse itself now that a few of the things that made me wonder have been more clearly explained in a manner that is not "because pew pew".
I still think maybe adding in Pirate star stations to Empire space would be a cool idea though (maybe in backwoods, currently empty systems that don't have empire NPC stations in them as an example). You could possibly make it a specific mission to be able to find them and unless you have completed that mission they don't show up on your overview, scans, probes etc.
Dump my other ideas though as I see that within the context of the game as you guys have explained it to me they wouldn't really work... but how about the pirate star stations idea? What do you think about it? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:49:00 -
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Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote:I propose that CCP create Criminal star stations in empire space where criminals can dock for free, but 'good guys' get charged exorbitant docking and service fees (and run the risk of having a module stolen off their ship by the criminal station denizens. Whats good for the goose...). Their services would be identical for all intents and purposes but they'd add another layer of immersion to the game (same with the standings idea). Why?
Quote:basically this would add more depth and give more interesting consequences to career paths. In what way will it do that, seeing as how they are GÇ£identical for all intents and purposesGÇ¥? You're asking them to create a segregation of players (for no adequately explained reason) and then you suggest that this segregation will have no actual gameplay effects.
Instead of doing all of that, why not just leave it alone and have the same outcome? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Annalise Elina Amaranthus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Annalise Elina Amaranthus wrote:I propose that CCP create Criminal star stations in empire space where criminals can dock for free, but 'good guys' get charged exorbitant docking and service fees (and run the risk of having a module stolen off their ship by the criminal station denizens. Whats good for the goose...). Their services would be identical for all intents and purposes but they'd add another layer of immersion to the game (same with the standings idea). Why? Quote:basically this would add more depth and give more interesting consequences to career paths. In what way will it do that, seeing as how they are GÇ£identical for all intents and purposesGÇ¥? You're asking them to create a segregation of players (for no adequately explained reason) and then you suggest that this segregation will have no actual gameplay effects. Instead of doing all of that, why not just leave it alone and have the same outcome?
Look one post back on page 1 (post #20). However what I was thinking was that people who choose a criminal career, should by all rights have to hang with criminals and should be shunned by 'polite society'. Others already explained to me how this really doesn't work within the EVE Universe so I basically shuttered that idea.
I do like the idea of Pirate corp star stations hiding in the depths and backwaters of empire space where no other stations are located though. As I posted previously, maybe require a special mission that will lead you to them where otherwise they won't show up on your overview, scans etc (cloaking technology on the star station maybe? Or sensor dampening effects?).
I'm not trying to dump the game but add more to it. More depth, more challenges, more viable career paths (particularly criminal career paths cause I think that would be a blast to sneak around high sec working for the Guristas or Sansha and snubbing my nose at the great empire and concord as I do it).
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