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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:48:00 -
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Having been out of alliance politics for a while (Decided to found a brand new corp (Mostly for the challenge) incase anyone is interested) and now being on the outside looking in, it would appear to me that the North and the South seem to have changed positions somewhat. The North was for a long time, before and after BOB came on the scene, synonymous with smaller infighting alliances. The South on the other hand for the most part remained relatively stable, apart from the break-up of CA and other significant events. (By which I mean that the number of alliances in the South has remained rather more uniform and friendships were quite common.)
It therefore worries me to see the South in such a fractured state, whilst G, Iron and other Northern alliances appear to be such stable powerhouses in modern EVE. Most of this I assume is still due to bad blood over the whole "SA Vs SE" incident and other subsequent traumas, however this should be irrelevant. In my eyes it looks like the much publicised "North Vs South" war is very nearly over with the South looking like the underdogs due to an alarming tendency toward defence, concentrating the few offensives on neighbours. Even BOB, fabled for their exploits seem to be having a tough ride. And no wonder as they are nearly the only entity actually on the offensive in Northern territory from what I see.
Basically the way it looks to me is if ever the North is going to recieve a realistic challenge then the South needs to once again unite, stop this infighting and start co-operating. Its far easier to attack your neighbours than a distant enemy I conceed, but think about this.... If leaders in the South do not push very hard toward unilateral mending of fences and co-operation, we will no doubt see an even more fragmented cluster of alliances in the South, not able to do much more than defend themselves to the best of their abilities, or is this incorrect? History would seem to agree with me. Wouldn't it be amazing to see a strong and unified South go up against the strong and unified North? Wasn't that what we all wanted when the "North Vs South" idea hit the forum headlines?
These are my personal views. Like I said earlier I have been out of the political arena for some time so please feel free to correct any mistakes I may have made. But I will ask if possible to contain the flaming. My wish here is simply to see the South reunify, not to Troll or dig up old arguments,
These were my 2 pence. Thankyou for reading. "The South will rise again!" _______________________________________________
Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:49:00 -
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Crokite roids are giving us a tough ride
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:56:00 -
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The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm. -------- Shinra Director
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:57:00 -
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I think its more like "wait till the servers are fixed" because otherwise both sides just die a pointless laggy death
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Ramuh
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
FIX - SA/Huzzah?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: dimensionZ Crokite roids are giving us a tough ride
train up astrogeology and teach them a lesson
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
QFT if RED werent so arrogant in their attitude the south would probably be pretty well united right now.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ramuh
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
FIX - SA/Huzzah?
I won't make a comment on that one. -------- Shinra Director
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
QFT if RED werent so arrogant in their attitude the south would probably be pretty well united right now.
\signed
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: aeti I think its more like "wait till the servers are fixed" because otherwise both sides just die a pointless laggy death
Word.
It is pointless, with the state of the servers at this time, to engage in the kind of battleplan that is required to actually hurt an alliance and / or force compliance with a set of rules and ideals.
Until 100 on each side is once again possible, don't expect to see people clamouring for them.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:12:00 -
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All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1..
Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp..
Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun
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oidalia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1..
Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp..
Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun
QFT
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Mystic Mansions
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ramuh
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
FIX - SA/Huzzah?
Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from. |
thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1..
Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp..
Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun
/signed
tbh.. oh no.. not another "the north v south" threads again :S
why do we need "OMGSUPERALLIANCESOFALLIANCES"?
[5] has been fighting F-E/PA/NBSI for months without any problems, for a long period it was atuk fighting them alone..
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA |
Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mystic Mansions
Originally by: Ramuh
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
FIX - SA/Huzzah?
Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from.
Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future.
El Presedente
Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today! |
thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
QFT if RED werent so arrogant in their attitude the south would probably be pretty well united right now.
mhm.. if RA hadnt backstabbed [5] you would all be complaining how bored you were :P
--thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA |
Reason Taki
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:33:00 -
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the lag it has gone omg .
well peace lasted long let the wars begin in haste rofl [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL] |
Penny Parker
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood All this north, south unity is the biggest crap ever. People dont wanna jump 100 jumps to fight some1..
Again all this Unity is crap and its the worst thing that can happend to pvp..
Start shooting eachother and dont just sign naps becuase you live close to eachother.. Nap people that lives far away and kill you neighbours its much more fun
That's amusing, coming from the corp that formed NBSI who napped F-E/PA/G/IRON.
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Mystic Mansions
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Mystic Mansions
Originally by: Ramuh
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
FIX - SA/Huzzah?
Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from.
Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future.
Actually, I wasn't mentioning corporations, only alliances, but if you want that clarified. The hostilities have been like so (check the relevant killboards to see who's been involved):
FIX+friendly corps(Asuya,Council,Exile,Arcane Industries) vs SA/HUZZAH/KAOS/IMP/UCC/NOVA+friendly corps (Shadow Company, DAB, Hedgehogs and others)
I would mention what sort of results have been happening, but it would be rude to hijack this thread, those arguements have been dealt with elsewhere and the people involved know the results.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mystic Mansions I would mention what sort of results have been happening, but it would be rude to hijack this thread, those arguements have been dealt with elsewhere and the people involved know the results.
to sum up: every major fight has been a total lagfest for all involved.
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Mystic Mansions
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:56:00 -
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Oh, I forgot to mention that Exile has a grand total of 14 members. Well worth mentioning in an alliance war.. I'm sure you will agree.
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Mystic Mansions
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Mystic Mansions I would mention what sort of results have been happening, but it would be rude to hijack this thread, those arguements have been dealt with elsewhere and the people involved know the results.
to sum up: every major fight has been a total lagfest for all involved.
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Border201
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Mystic Mansions
Originally by: Ramuh
Originally by: The Enslaver The South is more stable now than it has been since well, ever.
The only 'unstable' factor is RA, who all the southern entities are fighting atm.
FIX - SA/Huzzah?
Correction. It's FIX vs SA/Huzzah/Kaos/Nova/IMP and a few others SA enlisted help from.
Actually ASUYA, Exile and so on are fighting right alongside FIX vs SA + Huzzah + Kaos. But to be honest it's everyone in Providence, Catch and Querlilous fighting lag, hope this will change with the upcoming fixes. But having a nice alliance of alliances working together is good fun and bodes well for the future.
Quick comment there both alliance's have friendly corps that have been engaging (not on the alliance's behalf)with the other alliance before open conflict even begain between SA and FIX.
Just my 2 cents.
Originally by: corporal hicks
Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
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maxsuicide1
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:01:00 -
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dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about.
Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them
Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse.
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Salerator
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: maxsuicide1 dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about.
Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them
Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse.
I dont get how you can get away with using an alt on another account whilst banned.
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:18:28 Okay the situation seems to be three wars in the South. The South East vs Reds, The South West vs FIX and finally BOB and ASCN vs Iron and G. Not precise I know but its the gist im after here.
Now lets hypothesise. Lets say ASCN space is taken by G and Iron (Sorry to Cyvok et al this is meerly an eg. I know full well what you are capable of.) and lets say G and IRON move to the nearest target ...... *looks at map* Tribal... Would the rest of the South be friendly enough to help them out? (Again no offense meant to Abs et al) Thats the kind of friendship there used to be for quite sometime. (After the SCA thing and the SA-SE thing it got a bit turned around) Because theoretically again the North who are attacking the South could take a target at a time and slowly make their way across... I ask you is this concieveable?
Also please take into account that in the last 5 months the South has gone from 5-6 alliances to 10 - 11. Smaller spaces are easier to defend but not as larger player pool to draw from. also the more alliances the more statistical likelyhood of friction.
Now what if there are more splits.
This is the point im trying to get across if you follow me.... Not sure I do myself after reading this again _______________________________________________
Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 10/01/2006 17:19:50
Originally by: Mystic Mansions FIX+friendly corps(Asuya,Council,Exile,Arcane Industries) vs SA/HUZZAH/KAOS/IMP/UCC/NOVA+friendly corps (Shadow Company, DAB, Hedgehogs and others)
Actually everyone that fires on the combatants involved is not allied with us and vica versa, the only alliances working together against FIX are SA + Kaos + Huzzah, the corps were mentioned as they are flying in FIX gangs and are playing a very active part in the war for FIX which is commendable on their part.
However getting back on topic it does show that not everyone is fighting everyone else in the south but can work together.
And Max is right, this is new stuff for us and a big adventure, very challenging but regardless what happens the only way to grow yourself in your capabilities is to sometimes jump in the deep end and go for it.
President Huzzah Federation
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Imode
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Imode on 10/01/2006 17:26:47
Originally by: maxsuicide1 dont complain that everyone is gangbanging u fix, KAOS = SA but with a different name, they would of been sa had they not fallen out with the rest lol. So really its nothing to whine about.
Huzzah...well..they arent a major alliance, so u shouldnt whine about them either, they just dipping their toes into the major stuff atm. and Godo for them
Fix ally corps have been pirating the corridor of catch for months, they now fight on ur side. you have no excuse.
You misunderstand. There's no complaints here, Max.
I love the new SA/KAOS/HF group. They come ready to kill and ready to die. I haven't once seen them doing anything like a mass logoff or run to the hills like girls, regardless of whether they're in a significantly outnumbered force or not. A few just safespot to infinity, but that's what self-preservation will do to you. To be honest, this is such a refreshing change from the run-of-the-mill 'log and gank' and 'internal sabotage' merc/pirate/alliance entities that we have faced recently. No more of this travelling 13 jumps only to watch the whole right side of your screen fill w/ people logging off.
p.s. They do us the great courtesy of coming to our doorstep to fight. Naysayers see it as invasion. I see it as 'lazy pvp'ers heaven'. ____________________________
Band of Builders Inc. - Firmus Ixion |
BOOFER
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:52:16
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 10/01/2006 17:48:17
Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 10/01/2006 17:18:28 Okay the situation seems to be three wars in the South. The South East vs Reds, The South West vs FIX and finally BOB and ASCN vs Iron and G. Not precise I know but its the gist im after here.
Now lets hypothesise. Lets say ASCN space is taken by G and Iron (Sorry to Cyvok et al this is meerly an eg. I know full well what you are capable of.) and lets say G and IRON move to the nearest target ...... *looks at map* Tribal... Would the rest of the South be friendly enough to help them out? (Again no offense meant to Abs et al) Thats the kind of friendship there used to be for quite sometime. (After the SCA thing and the SA-SE thing it got a bit turned around) Because theoretically again the North who are attacking the South could take a target at a time and slowly make their way across... I ask you is this concieveable?
Also please take into account that in the last 5 months the South has gone from 5-6 alliances to 10 - 11. Smaller spaces are easier to defend but not as larger player pool to draw from. also the more alliances the more statistical likelyhood of friction.
Now what if there are more splits.
This is the point im trying to get across if you follow me.... Not sure I do myself after reading this again
ok.. i'm missing something... if g/iron are strong enuff to take an area in the south and wish to do so.. why should *everyone* in the south cry about it?
why "unite" to fight "the north" 100 jumps away, when the worst alternative is to fight them maybe 20 jumps away...
By George I think hes got it sort of If they are able to do that then they could persevably continue to do so as the South fractures more. The more shards the easier time they have. Hypothetically... _______________________________________________
Boofer CEO New sig coming soon..... (Sorry theBold :P)
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 10/01/2006 17:59:47
Originally by: BOOFER
By George I think hes got it
no tbh.. i'm getting more lost each post
the south has always been strong due to it being in constant conflicts..
edit: ah, well what difference does it make if it's a north alliance or a south one.. ur still fighting in same place.. why see the need to ally with X000's of ppl on the off chance that what 1000->2000 might invade..
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