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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:37:00 -
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i love it when people call outright exploits "clever tactics" Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8775
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:40:00 -
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Why can't I engage in fleet combat without putting my ships at risk? This is so unfair CCP I am a subscriber I DEMAND that you let me do these things Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8779
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:39:00 -
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well **** it looks like CCP disagrees with you and your impotent ranting won't accomplish anything
oh well Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8780
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:05:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Do you realize that you can target and destroy drones that are able to target and destroy you? If something is shooting you, shoot it back. That's not complicated. If something was shooting you that you couldn't shoot back, then I'd see the problem.
it's pretty clear where you're suffering a disconnect so i'll just help you out here: if you have your drones out and they're engaging something, you are taking part in the fight as much as your drones are
it goes against everything in this game when all you put at risk while engaging in fleet combat is a flight of sentry drones Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8780
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:07:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:The only reason this is called an "exploit:" by anyone in the CFC is because they didn't do it first.
If they would have used this tactic it would be touted as "working as intended".
wow go tell that to CCP IA i'm sure you're onto something!
oh wait you're not and you're just crying over CCP taking away your worthless alliance's risk-free pos defense tactics Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8780
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:10:00 -
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the ~second to none~ guys are seriously more upset over this than the worthless hisec pubbies when CCP took away their ability to blitz 3/10s with T3s
then again there isn't much of a difference between the two groups lmao Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8780
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:51:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:. . . and the ship outside the POS that they are assisting and the logistics and other ships that are also assisting him and the POS itself and potentially all the ships within the forcefield and basically anything else that is actually taking part in the fight. POSes mitigate the risk of being destroyed. They certainly don't eliminate the risk of being destroyed. amirite?
If you think POSes and reinforcement timers are not in the spirit of the game and should be nerfed, Andski, just say so.
yes clearly all you need to do is:
- kill all the sentry drones
- reinforce the pos
- anchor t2 large bubbles all around to ensure that nobody warps out
- camp them into the POS for the entire reinforcement timer
- take down the POS after the reinforcement timer
- camp for days and blow up domis when they log in
thank you, noted PvP expert Mayhaw Morgan Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8780
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:53:00 -
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it's a shame CCP doesn't recognize your brilliance! Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8784
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:28:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:We already know the tactic can be countered, so, what IS the problem?
the problem is that their ships are simply not at risk, no matter how much bullshit you make up to say they are, so it is only correct for CCP to deem it an exploit Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8784
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:30:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Drones are intended to provide an expendable alternative to risking your ship and pod in combat.
nope Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8784
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:38:00 -
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Being inside a POS shield means that whatever is outside the POS cannot shoot you, but your ship also cannot shoot anything while in the shield. The ability to have drones assist a fleet member outside of the POS while your ship is inside the POS was very clearly something CCP never intended, otherwise, they wouldn't have ruled this an exploit. It doesn't matter whether the tactic can be countered or not (it can, obviously, by killing the sentries) because the ships themselves are not at risk (and stop lying and saying they are) while they are within the POS shield. It's not a difficult idea to comprehend: if you are engaging in combat, your ship and pod must be at immediate risk. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8784
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:41:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:The tactic has been countered.
Try it and see what happens
Also yeah I guess F12 is now a valid counter to that tactic! Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8786
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Posted - 2013.09.22 02:38:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:So, you don't think we should be able to dock, jump, warp, enter a POS force field, go through a wormhole, cloak, or otherwise remove out our ship and pod from immediate risk if we are engaged? I don't understand your criteria for determining what is "fair" risk mitigation and what is exploitative of the game mechanics. Is docking, repairing, and undocking to re-engage an exploit? Is assigning fighters to a player who goes to operate a different grid than you an exploit? Is engaging an opponent from outside of their effective combat range an exploit? Ultimately, isn't it the job of the player to impose risk and consequence on other players that are attacking and isn't it the job of the player on the other side of that equation to mitigate that risk and consequence by whatever means they have available?
A player in a POS force field cannot engage you with any of his modules, and so long as he is outside the force field, you can web him, scram him, bump him, alpha him, or anything else to prevent him from retreating to the safety of the force field. I think what you're not ready to admit is that space magic and fairy bubbles are the problem. The game gives players a place to retreat to where they are effectively immune from interaction by other players. So long as there is such a mechanic, players are going to use it to their advantage. If you don't like that, then, next time one of your capitals is sitting right outside a POS, dying, leave it out there, or you're guilty of "exploiting" the game mechanics.
There is a huge, huge difference between docking up after you get shot and engaging in combat from inside a POS shield. You're drawing comparisons between that and things that are utterly irrelevant in this discussion. Once you dock up, POS up, jump out, warp out, or enter a wormhole, you're effectively out of the engagement entirely. Engaging in combat from inside a forcefield is not a form of risk mitigation, it is an exploit, as deemed by the GM team.
What we're talking about isn't sentry ships engaging at the edge of a POS shield, they're inside a POS shield while their drones are engaging. I apologize if you fail to see why this is undesirable (unless you're one of those who refuse to engage in PvP without a get out of jail free card, in which case, your opinion is worthless) but the rest of us can see the line between "clever tactics" and exploits. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8786
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Posted - 2013.09.22 03:27:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Andski wrote:Engaging in combat from inside a forcefield is not a form of risk mitigation, it is an exploit, as deemed by the GM team. I know, right? Let's get rid of ship shields, too, and armor as well. Go hull or go home! This one time, I was PVPing this guy, and not only did he have a huge shield, but his friend kept helping him regenerate it. Shields are so exploitative.
hey, post whatever nonsense you want
you're not getting your exploit back sorry Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8795
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Posted - 2013.09.23 00:37:00 -
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hey go ahead and do this thing, just don't cry when you eat a ban, because you're wrong and CCP disagrees with you
if you don't like risking your ship, try hisec mission running instead Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8797
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Posted - 2013.09.24 04:01:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:If I shoot an unarmed ship (A), then my ship will not be exposed to return fire (not B), therefore, exploit (C).
You are exposed to return fire in that situation, because you are targetable. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8797
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Posted - 2013.09.24 04:16:00 -
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You can't engage in combat while in a POS shield. You cannot lock targets or use RR. You also can't run ganglinks. The benefit is that you cannot be engaged yourself.
Assigning sentries outside the shield to another ship while your own ship is in the POS shield is a workaround that CCP clearly did not intend. It ignores the restrictions that a POS shield imposes by game mechanics, and they correctly deemed it an exploit. Your dumb strawman arguments aren't going to convince CCP to change their minds. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8802
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Posted - 2013.09.24 15:57:00 -
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Christopher AET wrote:Before the warning it was a mechanic. Now it is an exploit. We used it before but will not again now it bas been decreed against. I don't see why it's being made into such an issue.
"guys I don't understand why an exploit that allows me to engage in combat from the inside of a pos shield is being deemed an exploit someone explain" Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8803
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:40:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Also, I think you are confused about the circumstance. NOBODY was firing from wtihin the POS shield. SENTRY DRONES were firing at targets from OUTSIDE the POS shield at the direction of a target caller who was also OUTSIDE the POS shield. Nothing that was INVULNERABLE was engaging in combat.
Would the same amount of damage be on the field if the Ishtars weren't on grid? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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