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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:37:00 -
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Quote: **LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy**
THX FOR THE USELESS REPLY which had nothing to do with what I said of HOW this email got leaked and why
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:41:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a *redacted* but no matter how much they *redacted*, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it. This is disgusting hate-speech and is without reproach. How do you even conduct yourself in civilized society? That is easy. Most people I interact with in real life doesn't care about a line of code that makes a space laser in a computer game. Does that answer your question?
I still don't understand how or why it's ok for you to use the premise of sexual assault to insult and demean. Absolutely zero to do with space-pixels here. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:43:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Quote: **LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy** THX FOR THE USELESS REPLY which had nothing to do with what I said of HOW this email got leaked and why
Hi, let me introduce you to Occam's Razor. It's a logical tool you can use so you don't look like an illogical tool. Har Har.
When we apply it to this simple problem, we come to the (rather easily arrived-at) logical conclusion that the 'whistleblower' saw news about the somer blink scandal, and decided to send this information to a news outlet. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
355
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:44:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Stupid, stupid, stupid...
CCP continues to amaze me.
Firing T20 and creating the CSM doesn't really help if you keep doing the same thing T20 did on a larger scale and as an official company policy whilst simply bypassing the CSM.
This is wrong and corrupt on so many levels...
At least BoB provided content - tons of it. Now all they got was a shoddy BPO.
Whilst having run into BoB and the content they created, I swear I haven't ever come accross any content created by Somer blink in thousands of hours playing this game for almost nine years on multiple accounts.
Somer blink is a purely self-serving organization feeding on the wide spread of gambling addicts in MMO populations.
So they sponsored events? So what? It helps increasing the population they feed upon. If that is a community service, any empoyee of a company running commercials should receive a free Ferrari from the country hosting the corporate headquarters.
This, why do people ( CCP incl ) keep harping on about what Somerblink has done for content, they have done bugger all apart from marketing themselves and encouraging people on giving them a **** load of isk from out of game ways on a lottery which has always has accusations of being dodgy.
Also if CCP likes what they do for the comunity then they should give them out of game items, like fanfest tickets or those crappy models of ships not ingame items, bottom line is there a LOT of groups in eve which have doen a **** lot more to give people content that this for profit group. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2308
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:45:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Wow. As soon as I read the Mittani report, I literally closed my game because I felt sick. What a crock of ****, CCP. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you.
Same here - this is so sickening I just unsubbed my accounts. This is not some emoragequit and I don't even want to quit, but continuing to give my money to a company making such a tremendous mass of disturbingly stupid decisions is something I can't reconcile with my conscience.
CCPs absolute inability to learn from past mistakes is shocking. There's a nice saying about those not knowing history being doomed to repeat it - now CCP don't just repeat it, they repeat it with a vengeance.
Sad, really. You know... morons. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1314
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:46:00 -
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Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
286
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:48:00 -
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Jita riot in progress. Around 20+ ships shooting the monument at the moment. Everyone join in! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2835
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:48:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Alpheias wrote:You nailed it. Over what seems.
People return to the t20 incident like a *redacted* but no matter how much they *redacted*, it always comes back to haunt them.
Get over it. This is disgusting hate-speech and is without reproach. How do you even conduct yourself in civilized society? That is easy. Most people I interact with in real life doesn't care about a line of code that makes a space laser in a computer game. Does that answer your question? I still don't understand how or why it's ok for you to use the premise of sexual assault to insult and demean. Absolutely zero to do with space-pixels here.
Oh, I am so terribly sorry to have brought up traumatizing memories. I cannot even begin to fathom the terrifying ordeal that you have gone through. I hope that you continue to heal and make a full recovery. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9650
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:49:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Stupid, stupid, stupid...
CCP continues to amaze me.
Firing T20 and creating the CSM doesn't really help if you keep doing the same thing T20 did on a larger scale and as an official company policy whilst simply bypassing the CSM.
This is wrong and corrupt on so many levels...
At least BoB provided content - tons of it. Now all they got was a shoddy BPO.
Whilst having run into BoB and the content they created, I swear I haven't ever come accross any content created by Somer blink in thousands of hours playing this game for almost nine years on multiple accounts.
Somer blink is a purely self-serving organization feeding on the wide spread of gambling addicts in MMO populations.
So they sponsored events? So what? It helps increasing the population they feed upon. If that is a community service, any empoyee of a company running commercials should receive a free Ferrari from the country hosting the corporate headquarters.
This, why do people ( CCP incl ) keep harping on about what Somerblink has done for content, they have done bugger all apart from marketing themselves and encouraging people on giving them a **** load of isk from out of game ways on a lottery which has always has accusations of being dodgy. Also if CCP likes what they do for the comunity then they should give them out of game items, like fanfest tickets or those crappy models of ships not ingame items, bottom line is there a LOT of groups in eve which have doen a **** lot more to give people content that this for profit group. In this case, it might be content=earnings in terms of PLEX sales, or maybe I missed some #truestories about Somer that will explain all this content.
At least imo content wise I don't see Somer have added much, it's great that they sponsor events and such but still like said, they sponsor in the hopes to earn more from what they put on it. I'm confident that creating content is not the end goal for them.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:49:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:
This, why do people ( CCP incl ) keep harping on about what Somerblink has done for content, they have done bugger all apart from marketing themselves and encouraging people on giving them a **** load of isk from out of game ways on a lottery which has always has accusations of being dodgy.
Also if CCP likes what they do for the comunity then they should give them out of game items, like fanfest tickets or those crappy models of ships not ingame items, bottom line is there a LOT of groups in eve which have doen a **** lot more to give people content that this for profit group.
Because "creating content" is so undefinable and unquantifiable that nobody has to be held accountable for such claims. That's why you see the worst CSM members rushing to parrot these statements. These are the same kind of people who both fall for and perpetually spew every kind of corporate buzzword in the business world, because they prefer obfuscation over clarity.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:49:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Anomaly One wrote:Quote: **LOGICAL FALLACY INCOMING!!!**A news organisation's leader and founder belongs to a political interest group. Therefore zero information reported by said organisation can be true.**/logical fallacy** THX FOR THE USELESS REPLY which had nothing to do with what I said of HOW this email got leaked and why Hi, let me introduce you to Occam's Razor. It's a logical tool you can use so you don't look like an illogical tool. Har Har. When we apply it to this simple problem, we come to the (rather easily arrived-at) logical conclusion that the 'whistleblower' saw news about the somer blink scandal, and decided to send this information to a news outlet.
WELL IT CAN HAPPEN. Except there's nothing logical about a SOMER employee doing such a thing when it hurts his corporation and his future benefit just so he can "expose" ccp because CCP will no longer endorse SOMER since they can't be trusted to keep information.
"I GIVE YOU 50 bill to keep quiet and I will keep on giving you (FREE MONEY) if you don't speak of this" "go go whistleblower"
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
84
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:50:00 -
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I am sorry if I will go against the popular opinion here, but - I don't see anything wrong here except the fact that CCP haven't published that they will be giving away Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community sites.
It is very nice to have a gaming company that rewards its community drivers with symbolic tokens of appreciation. In this case, Ishukone Scorpions are just that - symbolic tokens. They are just regular Scorpions with a different paintjob - BIG DEAL. Those ships do not have real measurable value except for sentimental for the owners and/or collectors.
Think about it... if you wanted to reward players of your game with something in recognition of their community driving efforts, what would you give them? And how exactly is that item that you have on your mind different from a regular ship with slightly different texture? My point exactly - it's not.
The only problem I see here is easily fixable by CCP: Just issue a devblog to announce public giveaway of Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community members at CCP's own discretion and publish the names of lucky winners in subsequent "Community spotlight" devblogs. Problem solved! This way CCP will drive the community to engage more in building a fantastic OOG environment that EVE is famous for (and pretty unique because of the vast amount of OOG tools that expand and complete this game). It will give an initiative to other potential developers of tools and services that are yet to be created which brings quality to a great number of players, regardless of their in-game faction. I know I would not have anything against EFT, EveMon, EDK (eve-kill, zkillboard), Dotlan, EOH Poker... etc. guys getting the same treatment.
Oh, and an obligatory note since I expect an avalanche of pure flame: I do not play on SomerBlink. I had an account there a long time ago, played for a bit, won some, lost some and eventually got bored since lotteries are not exactly my cup of tea. I like to have at least some control over my games, which blink lotteries do not offer. But I know many players from many different alliances that like to play it - and that is enough for me to appreciate the service Somer is providing.
I'm not going into fairness of their lottery system or whether it's rigged or not because that kind of conversation is leading only to speculation and assumptions. I just know that my RL friend tried his luck on Blink and won 10 bil ISK as a 6 months old player. I simply do not have any other information about their fairness in order to have an opinion on it, but t looks pretty simple to me: if people do not have trust in the service, they would be out of business in no time.
Overall, I support CCP's decision to reward community drivers and service providers with symbolic non-gameplay altering tokens of appreciation and only suggest for it to go public and become regular for all that deserve it (decided on CCP's discretion but mandatory made public).
P.S. This can not in any way, shape or form compare to gameplay altering T20 incident where obvious in-game ADVANTAGES were given to specific group of players.
That is all. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:50:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip... the ship is worth 15-20bil... or it was, during the period of insider trading before everyone else realized the supply magically grew CCP basically gave them a bunch of free supercarrier hulls if you want to look at it from an isk value |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16763
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:51:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway.
In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Delphina Amaranthus
Random Variable Ventures
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:53:00 -
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Honestly, this scandal and similar are giving pause to my plans for going to FanFest 2014 I will have to wait and see at this point. IMHO, the parties responsible should be terminated, at the very least. I would suggest them having to pay for any damages to CCP as a result of these scandals, but, given CCP has not taken corrective action previously and the responsible parties seem to have an established pattern of similar poor behavior, I think CCP is responsible for any financial fallout. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
357
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:53:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip...
It has nothing to do with the ship, but CCP favouring one group over all the others, an for profit group at that which encourages people to give them isk in a out of game way thus actually taking content away from the game. |
Montevius Williams
The Scope Gallente Federation
599
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway. In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all.
lol C'mon, man, the Policy maker cant break policy...it's impossible...you must not be American or used to American Politics. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5150
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:54:00 -
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"we gave this secret gift to a website and told them not to tell anyone for marketing reasons. that's the ticket, marketing, secret marketing nobody is allowed to know about." |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:54:00 -
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I guess one could say that somer blink doesn't create content for EVE but it does create an income stream. And this seems significant enough for CCP to actually reward them secretly.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about the ships themselves. But I strongly object the giving and the way in which this apparently took place.
I CCP want's to increase sales of GTCs/PLEX and is willing to take any means necessary, hey I can open up an online pharmacy that takes GTCs/PLEX and circumvent various countries/states laws too just like ONLINE GAMBLING. What do I get from you CCP? How much do I need to sell for some nice ships?
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:54:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:WELL IT CAN HAPPEN. Except there's nothing logical about a SOMER employee doing such a thing when it hurts his corporation and his future benefit just so he can "expose" ccp because CCP will no longer endorse SOMER since they can't be trusted to keep information.
"I GIVE YOU 50 bill to keep quiet and I will keep on giving you (FREE MONEY) if you don't speak of this" "go go whistleblower"
???
Yes, and MINIATURE UNICORNS CAN FLY AROUND MY BEDROOM AT NIGHT. IT CAN HAPPEN.
Never heard of this thing called a conscience?
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
161
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:55:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:I am sorry if I will go against the popular opinion here, but - I don't see anything wrong here except the fact that CCP haven't published that they will be giving away Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community sites.
It is very nice to have a gaming company that rewards its community drivers with symbolic tokens of appreciation. In this case, Ishukone Scorpions are just that - symbolic tokens. They are just regular Scorpions with a different paintjob - BIG DEAL. Those ships do not have real measurable value except for sentimental for the owners and/or collectors.
Think about it... if you wanted to reward players of your game with something in recognition of their community driving efforts, what would you give them? And how exactly is that item that you have on your mind different from a regular ship with slightly different texture? My point exactly - it's not.
The only problem I see here is easily fixable by CCP: Just issue a devblog to announce public giveaway of Ishukone Scorpions to prominent community members at CCP's own discretion and publish the names of lucky winners in subsequent "Community spotlight" devblogs. Problem solved! This way CCP will drive the community to engage more in building a fantastic OOG environment that EVE is famous for (and pretty unique because of the vast amount of OOG tools that expand and complete this game). It will give an initiative to other potential developers of tools and services that are yet to be created which brings quality to a great number of players, regardless of their in-game faction. I know I would not have anything against EFT, EveMon, EDK (eve-kill, zkillboard), Dotlan, EOH Poker... etc. guys getting the same treatment.
Oh, and an obligatory note since I expect an avalanche of pure flame: I do not play on SomerBlink. I had an account there a long time ago, played for a bit, won some, lost some and eventually got bored since lotteries are not exactly my cup of tea. I like to have at least some control over my games, which blink lotteries do not offer. But I know many players from many different alliances that like to play it - and that is enough for me to appreciate the service Somer is providing.
I'm not going into fairness of their lottery system or whether it's rigged or not because that kind of conversation is leading only to speculation and assumptions. I just know that my RL friend tried his luck on Blink and won 10 bil ISK as a 6 months old player. I simply do not have any other information about their fairness in order to have an opinion on it, but t looks pretty simple to me: if people do not have trust in the service, they would be out of business in no time.
Overall, I support CCP's decision to reward community drivers and service providers with symbolic non-gameplay altering tokens of appreciation and only suggest for it to go public and become regular for all that deserve it (decided on CCP's discretion but mandatory made public).
P.S. This can not in any way, shape or form compare to gameplay altering T20 incident where obvious in-game ADVANTAGES were given to specific group of players.
That is all.
Keep in mind that these tokens amount to isk, and therefore an in-game advantage. As odd as it seems, I think there would be less issue in the players' eyes if CCP gave Somer a plaque, some ship models to hand out, t-shirts, or even a trip to Iceland and a tour of the HQ.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:56:00 -
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Also, for those interested, there is a feature to 'block user's posts' I recommend you use after reporting Alpheias' unacceptable behaviour. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
66
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:58:00 -
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Somer blink is amazing and is good for the eve community. FACT.
Should CCP reward community web pages like somer? YES.
SHOULD, CCP reward them with(effectively) isk. HELL NO.
Find another way to reward them..
Hell I'd even be fine with them getting a 1 year free subscription (not plex) .... Least that cannot be used in game to screw with the sandbox.... Common CCP.... You are better than this! |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
162
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:58:00 -
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Delphina Amaranthus wrote:Honestly, this scandal and similar are giving pause to my plans for going to FanFest 2014 I will have to wait and see at this point. IMHO, the parties responsible should be terminated, at the very least. I would suggest them having to pay for any damages to CCP as a result of these scandals, but, given CCP has not taken corrective action previously and the responsible parties seem to have an established pattern of similar poor behavior, I think CCP is responsible for any financial fallout.
I honestly tend to be very anti-termination rhetoric on forums, but I will agree that the people who decided that getting in bed deeper and deeper with SomerBLINK was a good idea should be retasked to something involving a little less independent thought because they've proven themselves incapable of making sound business decisions.
As for CCP's response. I expect we'll hear from Hilmar on this one as the outrage grows. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:"we gave this secret gift to a website and told them not to tell anyone for marketing reasons. that's the ticket, marketing, secret marketing nobody is allowed to know about."
And at the same time planning on giving them trillions of isk of free stuff that they may or may not auction off, making them billions in profit at the expense of their competitors and with the benefit of CCP giving them free advertising and our backing.
Nope, nothing wrong with any of this, so long as you don't care about business ethics, the way EvE works, open play/sandbox game design etc. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
84
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:00:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote: Keep in mind that these tokens amount to isk, and therefore an in-game advantage. As odd as it seems, I think there would be less issue in the players' eyes if CCP gave Somer a plaque, some ship models to hand out, t-shirts, or even a trip to Iceland and a tour of the HQ.
These tokens do not amount to ISK more than materials provided by reprocessing of those ships. Collectors and owners give them artificial value based on sentiment.
CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4691
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Favouritism. The fact that everyone involved knew that this was a bad idea, and they did it anyway. In short, the sheer incompetence and policy-breaking nature of it all. Maybe it was policy to give favorites things and try to hide it, what thennnnnn There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 -
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WWWAAAAAA............WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA...........WWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
286
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 -
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Jita riot underway. Join the party everyone! |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1181
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:02:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Wow. As soon as I read the Mittani report, I literally closed my game because I felt sick. What a crock of ****, CCP. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you.
This. I don't know if I want to be here anymore if CCP is giving out billions of ISK to arbitrarily chosen in-game groups, under the table. What else has been given out? Who else received this "gift" from CCP? Are the people we are waging a war against perhaps funded by the devs? What's the point in all the empire building, alliance leadership, logistics, and efforts of literally thousands of people, when this other group just gets their money handed to them for free, spawned from thin air? |
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