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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
30
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:00:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:
i think this thread adequately sums up why there's really no incentive to give CCP feedback; they just ignore it and it's a waste of both their and our time.
Yeah, I am afraid you're right.
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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:27:00 -
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Bump.
Deka Ekato wrote:CCP Guard wrote:I'm taking a dinner break. Going home for pizza and then I'll check in again! Thanks for the responses so far. Post 107, on 10/10/2013. Seems CCP are still out, too busy eating their pizza.
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Kate stark
900
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Posted - 2013.11.24 08:17:00 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Kate stark wrote:
i think this thread adequately sums up why there's really no incentive to give CCP feedback; they just ignore it and it's a waste of both their and our time.
Yeah, I am afraid you're right.
i wish i wasn't :( Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
The Legendary Soldier
Ore for Glory
325
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Posted - 2013.11.24 08:48:00 -
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Ignoring this thread is not consequence free.
I have drawn conclusions about Hilmar from this action.
I suspect I am not the only one.
Some people have closed accounts over it - but that is not the only possible protest.
I wonder how many people are now refusing to buy PLEX? Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corp's standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
The Legendary Soldier
Ore for Glory
325
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:24:00 -
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and back to the front page Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corp's standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:46:00 -
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Didn't the CSM update us recently on this?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Kate stark
906
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:28:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Didn't the CSM update us recently on this?
source or it didn't happen. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2642
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:10:00 -
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The Legendary Soldier wrote:Kate stark wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:I find it worrisome that besides CCP also the CSM doesn't post a single response anymore. what can they say? ccp clearly don't give a toss and aren't interested so it's not like the CSM have any news for us even if they did care. The CSM should be demanding answers. By not doing so, they have shown themselves to be impotent and pointless.
Well there's two very good reasons the CSM aren't up in arms over this.
1) CCP won't respond to them anyway. After going out of their way to hide all this from the CSM, do you think they'd give them any meaningful feedback to this? At best they'd get bland "we'll look into it" garbage
2) They don't want to be too hostile towards, or cause too much trouble for, the people who are giving them a small feeling of being "inside the circle". They like their relationship with CCP, they won't want to be seen as troublemakers, or as pesky, persistent and loud critics. CCP decide which of the CSM get cool trips to Iceland, after all.
2 is incredibly cynical but it definitely plays into it to some degree, it's simply human nature. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
449
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:32:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:The Legendary Soldier wrote:Kate stark wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:I find it worrisome that besides CCP also the CSM doesn't post a single response anymore. what can they say? ccp clearly don't give a toss and aren't interested so it's not like the CSM have any news for us even if they did care. The CSM should be demanding answers. By not doing so, they have shown themselves to be impotent and pointless. Well there's two very good reasons the CSM aren't up in arms over this. 1) CCP won't respond to them anyway. After going out of their way to hide all this from the CSM, do you think they'd give them any meaningful feedback to this? At best they'd get bland "we'll look into it" garbage 2) They don't want to be too hostile towards, or cause too much trouble for, the people who are giving them a small feeling of being "inside the circle". They like their relationship with CCP, they won't want to be seen as troublemakers, or as pesky, persistent and loud critics. CCP decide which of the CSM get cool trips to Iceland, after all. 2 is incredibly cynical but it definitely plays into it to some degree, it's simply human nature.
Or maybe they have been bought off as well ? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2207
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:10:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote: Or maybe they have been bought off as well ? Pizza! Pizza for everyone! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
285
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:17:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Mra Rednu wrote: Or maybe they have been bought off as well ? Pizza! Pizza for everyone! Didn't PIZZA disband a couple of weeks ago?
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IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
43
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:55:00 -
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This has got to be the longest Pizza party in the world. |
Daquaris
The Loathsome Lions
66
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:59:00 -
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Good luck getting a reply! |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
104
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:02:00 -
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Can someone remind me what the problem was? .
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
766
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:15:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: (message truncated) ThatGÇÖs it for now, let us know your thoughts.
Shame on everyone who made a federal case out of this issue.
I'd said all along that the only thing CCP did wrong was not paying attention to how such a thing would be recieved by the playerbase. I've also said all along that this wasn't really nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be by the vocal minority.
I think clarifying it should bring closure to the entire matter. Hopefully, this should be the end of the entire issue. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
The Legendary Soldier
Ore for Glory
328
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:27:00 -
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I received a warning today, for one of my posts in this thread.
That was the final straw.
Three accounts closed. Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
450
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:16:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:CCP Guard wrote: (message truncated) ThatGÇÖs it for now, let us know your thoughts.
Shame on everyone who made a federal case out of this issue. I'd said all along that the only thing CCP did wrong was not paying attention to how such a thing would be recieved by the playerbase. I've also said all along that this wasn't really nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be by the vocal minority. I think clarifying it should bring closure to the entire matter. Hopefully, this should be the end of the entire issue.
Then you do not understand the issue. |
Tor Saani
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Surely You're Joking
12
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:46:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Weaselior wrote:I'd like a little more information on the SOMER lottery issue specifically as that was the really immense giveaway here and it's not really well addressed. Specifically, why an in-game business was given such immense prizes as "a fansite" that wound up making them almost certainly literally trillions of isk. It's not really addressed at all in your post: no indication of why SOMER, no indication of what process went on here and why the CSM was never consulted, no indication of what other "fansites" have gotten these sort of things.
It's not just that SOMER got the lottery gifts. It's that they were absolutely stupendously massive. There's also the seperate problem of Navigator officially declaring them Not A Scam.
The IWS issue would not have been nearly as big an issue without that: it's that both happened, and that the lottery gift to SOMER was already absurdly out of line. The IWS issue exacerbated the lottery issue, it wasn't the main problem. I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event. Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do. In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites. As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable.
CCP! You guys are doing great! Keep up the fantastic work making the game we all love. Ignore all the goons and CFC pets, they are only happy when they are complaining about something. Somer was a great community site. You guys made the right decision to reward Somer. |
Kate stark
906
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:16:00 -
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Tor Saani wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Weaselior wrote:I'd like a little more information on the SOMER lottery issue specifically as that was the really immense giveaway here and it's not really well addressed. Specifically, why an in-game business was given such immense prizes as "a fansite" that wound up making them almost certainly literally trillions of isk. It's not really addressed at all in your post: no indication of why SOMER, no indication of what process went on here and why the CSM was never consulted, no indication of what other "fansites" have gotten these sort of things.
It's not just that SOMER got the lottery gifts. It's that they were absolutely stupendously massive. There's also the seperate problem of Navigator officially declaring them Not A Scam.
The IWS issue would not have been nearly as big an issue without that: it's that both happened, and that the lottery gift to SOMER was already absurdly out of line. The IWS issue exacerbated the lottery issue, it wasn't the main problem. I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event. Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do. In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites. As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable. CCP! You guys are doing great! Keep up the fantastic work making the game we all love. Ignore all the goons and CFC pets, they are only happy when they are complaining about something. Somer was a great community site. You guys made the right decision to reward Somer.
nobody is questioning that rewarding community sites is cool. we're just pointing out they did it in the most ass backwards and ******** way possible, and when imitated the rules were changed; so are you sure they were such a good community site? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Dark Magni
The Tuskers
54
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Posted - 2013.11.26 11:37:00 -
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Somer has CCP jumping through hoops.
Unacceptable. |
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Kate stark
907
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:21:00 -
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So we're still being ignored? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Callista Coren
Elixa
0
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:57:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:So we're still being ignored?
Yes we are.
Arrogantly, and defiantly...
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/ |
Frying Doom
3410
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Posted - 2013.11.27 07:32:00 -
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Quote:We will keep you updated on our progress every step of the way because, as Hilmar said, communication is one of the things we are dedicated to improve. Arnar Hrafn Gylfason
Senior Producer of EVE Online
source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2428
Yeah this thread shows how seriously they took the whole Incarna debacle. Their communication is so much better on issues now Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
GreenSeed
753
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:40:00 -
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what the hell is it that you people want? can you point at it and say "hey CCP could you do 'this', please?"
do you want an apology? for what?, CCP did nothing wrong, if anything you should ask the people responsible at somer to apologize for abusing gifts, instead of doing the moral thing and turning them down. do you want CCP to sue the people responsible at SOMER for profiting out of their product without authorization, with he whole timecode thing? they already decided they wont do that, so who do you think you are? you think that bumping this stupid thread over and over will somehow coerce a privately held corporation to submit to your childish will?
internet hippies, worst kind of hippies.
they wont cave, they already decided they wont go after SOMER, and everything is business as usual again. now give it a rest already, you are annoying, your demands are annoying, your sensitivity is annoying and worst of all you are not even right to expect them fulfilled.
grow up. |
Callista Coren
Elixa
0
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:05:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:what the hell is it that you people want? can you point at it and say "hey CCP could you do 'this', please?"
they wont cave, they already decided they wont go after SOMER, and everything is business as usual again. now give it a rest already, you are annoying, your demands are annoying, your sensitivity is annoying and worst of all you are not even right to expect them fulfilled.
grow up.
I believe you mean "you're annoying", but for the moment, let's pretend you made sense...
Until recently I have paid CCP for a service, and this forum is provided for discussion of that service.
I, and others, believe that having paid CCP money for that service we are entitled to an explanation of why they failed to enforce their own EULA, and what they will do to ensure it doesnt happen again.
In the light of the Incarna/t20 episode where Hilmar cried crocodile tears and promised it wouldnt happen again, I think it is perfectly fair for people to want to highlight this incident and question whether Hilmar/CCP REALLY learned the lesson of incarna.
The fact that this thread has been studiously ignored would suggest that they have not, and the 78 pages of posts, would suggest that the players (paying CUSTOMERS) are not happy about it.
You on the other hand just appear to want to scream at people and toss your toys out of your pram with no real justification.
If you want to see annoying - try looking in the mirror.
If you find this thread annoying - don't read it, no one is forcing you.
And CCP. Grow some balls and talk to us. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3551
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:28:00 -
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If you don't like it, leave.
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Bookish
Exodus Development
3
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:38:00 -
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i used to watch this thread everydays, waiting for a CCP answer. now I watch it once a week, unfortunately with same no-response. i only wish i could treat my clients in the same way... just ignore them... what a wonderful world!
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:45:00 -
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CCP repeatedly shows a lack of integrity on this issue. A shame since Hilmar's actions do not match his words. |
The Legendary Soldier
Ore for Glory
330
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:54:00 -
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Anslo wrote:If you don't like it, leave.
I assume you are comprehension challenged, as the post you replied to did state
"Until recently I paid CCP for a service..."
Accounts have certainly been closed, however, that is the last sanction available, and does not mean we cannot try and force CCP to pretend it has some integrity... Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
Kate stark
907
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Posted - 2013.11.27 19:13:00 -
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Anslo wrote:If you don't like it, leave.
we've addressed this point several times. perhaps you'd like to read the thread before adding your 'contribution'. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
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