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Maliandra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:09:00 -
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We've all been there before. Scouring local or the forums and we come across one of these tear extractors. If we're lucky it's not our tears they are extracting. And in those scenarios, we can judge what we see from a more objective perspective.. I know I have... and I always wonder: Why? Why are they extracting tears? It just seems so... sad and.... pathetic?
It makes you wonder: What happened to these guys? Here we have fully grown adults that spend their free time logged onto an internet spaceship video game, with main purpose being to frustrate people and enjoy laughing about it. Really consider that for a second, creatures... you are spending hours of your free time doing the same thing snotty brats do at the age of 14... and you are doing this as adults. I would be simply and utterly surprised if any of these tear extractors have actual proper social skills in real life, and I reckon most are very doleful, shy and easy to pushover in the real world.
When I see a "tear extractor" my first assumption is that he must be a colossal moron, as anyone with the slightest semblance of intelligence would recognize just how shameful and embarrassing it is to do such things as an adult. However what we find is that this does not apply to many of these creatures; many are capable of displaying strong intellect when needed.
Are they damaged perhaps? Maybe they we're they abused, bullied and/or molested as children. Modern day psychology tells us such traumatic experiences in childhood could create such an effect; it creates murderers and rapists so why not these creatures?
How about one's upbringing. Most of us learned how to act from our parents... without that, maybe we'd end up just like them. Or maybe there parents simply have the same kind of deplorable personality that they have. We call that a "vicious cycle".
Listen creatures, I have a big ol' grin right now as I post this. Convince yourself this is tears, I couldn't care less. I thoroughly enjoy pointing these sorts of things out to people.
What are your guys opinions on it? What is it that makes these creatures tick?
Cheers and discuss! |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
444
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:11:00 -
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Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4818
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:11:00 -
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They are bad people
and should feel bad There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tandros Kreel
Scurvy Sucks Monkeys with Guns.
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:11:00 -
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Now show us where the bad pirate touched you....
No really, we're all friends here, you can show us.
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Rhatar Khurin
United Earth Directorate
195
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:15:00 -
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There's a really gross insect related to the bee i think that in fact does feed on tears, hang on.. i'll find it..
Hmm, bees that feed on tears? this sounds awfully familar....
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1485
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Posted - 2013.10.13 07:55:00 -
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So what made the OP so mad? How long did he have to collect himself before finding the strength to write this thread? He is clearly projecting his own shortcomings, insecurities, and traumatic life experiences onto others. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
479
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:12:00 -
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Eve truly overflows with psychologists. As I have said before, we as players are lucky to be surrounded by such insightful beings as the OP, with the years of training and expertise to allow us to benefit from the OPs wisdom.
Although, as an internet psychologist on the side myself, I would like to chat to the OP more about the characterization of fellow human beings as creatures. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1801
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:28:00 -
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Rhivre wrote: Although, as an internet psychologist on the side myself, I would like to chat to the OP more about the characterization of fellow human beings as creatures.
You noticed that, too?
It's historically been an aid to persecuting others if you dehumanize them first; perhaps reducing others to mere 'creatures' allows the OP to further their superiority complex with less guilt? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
No Means No
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:54:00 -
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No tears no fun
Not that i care about pixels |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.10.13 12:55:00 -
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I'm not one for the 'tear-harvest', but you have to admit it's kinda funny when grown adults get upset about a video-game.
I once received this: "you do not balls between his legs, a woman has more courage than you!"
Sexism aside that is pretty funny. Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
56141
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Posted - 2013.10.13 12:58:00 -
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Without these mechanics and their possibilities, there would be no game here.
At all.
I find the people who were creating Sims and then doing twisted things like watching them literally starve to death to be much much more disturbing and creepy.
Institution Worthy Creepy. Peter Marshall: Back in the 1870s, Emile Berliner invented something, and without it, I wouldn't be able to do my job. What was it? -á Paul Lynde:-á ...Makeup? Capped teeth? Loud sports jackets? |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Without these mechanics and their possibilities, there would be no game here.
At all.
I find the people who were creating Sims and then doing twisted things like watching them literally starve to death to be much much more disturbing and creepy.
Institution Worthy Creepy. I knew a women who only played The Sims to immolate them. One of the nicest people I've ever met. Let's stop applying RL morality to pixels.
Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
907
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:15:00 -
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this is kinda close too right OP ??
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
200
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:21:00 -
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I agree that 'extracting tears' is entirely juvenile.
rage on the other hand... my god you couldn't script finer comedy than i've witnessed in convos. freelance space bum |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
393
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Without these mechanics and their possibilities, there would be no game here.
At all.
I find the people who were creating Sims and then doing twisted things like watching them literally starve to death to be much much more disturbing and creepy.
Institution Worthy Creepy.
what about creating a whole sim city and killing the whole population with tornados and floods? |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2113
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:29:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Without these mechanics and their possibilities, there would be no game here.
At all.
I find the people who were creating Sims and then doing twisted things like watching them literally starve to death to be much much more disturbing and creepy.
Institution Worthy Creepy. Nah man, it's fun Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
596
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:32:00 -
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Schadenfreude |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
56162
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:46:00 -
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Lightspeed Champion wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Without these mechanics and their possibilities, there would be no game here.
At all.
I find the people who were creating Sims and then doing twisted things like watching them literally starve to death to be much much more disturbing and creepy.
Institution Worthy Creepy. I knew a women who only played The Sims to immolate them. One of the nicest people I've ever met. Let's stop applying RL morality to pixels.
And John Wayne Gacy was nice to children. Loved them all so much as far as anyone could tell.
That a 'nice' person on the exterior would even have thoughts of this kind of behavior indicates their true nature. Think of the Virtual as a litmus test. Your true nature can indeed be revealed.
That's why psychological tests exist and work. Peter Marshall: Back in the 1870s, Emile Berliner invented something, and without it, I wouldn't be able to do my job. What was it? -á Paul Lynde:-á ...Makeup? Capped teeth? Loud sports jackets? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
56162
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:49:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote: what about creating a whole sim city and killing the whole population with tornados and floods?
hmmm....not quite the same thing. There is only the factor of 'being mean' to a rather anonymous mob in this particular case. Like kicking an ant nest.
Deliberately creating a customized individual digital creature to torture and watch it happen is on a different order of things.
ed: You are essentially equating Natural Disasters with, say, deliberate Nuclear Annihilation. They are not the same thing at all. Peter Marshall: Back in the 1870s, Emile Berliner invented something, and without it, I wouldn't be able to do my job. What was it? -á Paul Lynde:-á ...Makeup? Capped teeth? Loud sports jackets? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1394
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:06:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:That's why psychological tests exist and work.
Survey "science" is the biggest intellectual dead-end currently running. It is the direct equivalent of measuring skulls.
Classificatory psychology in general is a cultural cancer, made even worse by its popularization. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:09:00 -
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So, if I also can don my internet psychological expert hat for a bit here...
Let me propose a counterpoint. What is wrong with the individuals who are unable to realize that something isn't "not funny" just because it happens to them? Are they narcissists? Were they pampered as children? Is their own skewed sense of self worth so wrapped up in their accomplishments in a videogame that they cannot accept aspects of the game that can cause them loss?
Are they unable to disassociate the game world with reality?
What do you think? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jim Era
7607
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:18:00 -
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Violence is never the answer. We should all be friends. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
51
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:18:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:Convince yourself this is tears, I couldn't care less. I thoroughly enjoy pointing these sorts of things out to people.
Why would i need to convince myself this is tears when you are doing such a fabulous job of it yourself? |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:18:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:Are they damaged perhaps? Maybe they we're they abused, bullied and/or molested as children. These two sentences are so unnecessary, and so offensive to victims of sexual-assault. Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
56209
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, if I also can don my internet psychological expert hat for a bit here...
Let me propose a counterpoint. What is wrong with the individuals who are unable to realize that something isn't "not funny" just because it happens to them? Are they narcissists? Were they pampered as children? Is their own skewed sense of self worth so wrapped up in their accomplishments in a videogame that they cannot accept aspects of the game that can cause them loss?
Are they unable to disassociate the game world with reality?
What do you think?
Welp, when we used to do things like play "Clue", if some kid came over and kicked the board, ruining the game, we pretty much kicked their a** for it and socially castigated them as fools. Forever in school.
People are proud of what they accomplish and build, even if it exists in the world of the virtual.
Imagine if terrorists blew up Mount Rushmore tomorrow morning. Would the sculptor who designed and built it not have a right to be upset at it's destruction ? Or is there something wrong with him for having an emotional connection to a pile of carved rocks in Wyoming ?
Is my birthday greeting message for my grandmother less valid because it comes as a piece of virtual email than on an actual card ?
These lines you folks are attempting to draw are rapidly disappearing faster than you can draw them. Peter Marshall: Back in the 1870s, Emile Berliner invented something, and without it, I wouldn't be able to do my job. What was it? -á Paul Lynde:-á ...Makeup? Capped teeth? Loud sports jackets? |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:29:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lightspeed Champion wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Without these mechanics and their possibilities, there would be no game here.
At all.
I find the people who were creating Sims and then doing twisted things like watching them literally starve to death to be much much more disturbing and creepy.
Institution Worthy Creepy. I knew a women who only played The Sims to immolate them. One of the nicest people I've ever met. Let's stop applying RL morality to pixels. And John Wayne Gacy was nice to children. Loved them all so much as far as anyone could tell. That a 'nice' person on the exterior would even have thoughts of this kind of behavior indicates their true nature. Think of the Virtual as a litmus test. Your true nature can indeed be revealed. That's why psychological tests exist and work. For this to make any sense the person I mentioned would have had to think pixels can feel pain...
Pixels can't feel pain.
BTW, I once threw grenades into the 'wedding-scene-on-the-boat' in Fallout 3 just to see what happened. The pixels that represented children didn't become pixel corpses, so I shot them for a bit. It's almost like I knew they weren't real...
Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
168
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:29:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:We've all been there before. Scouring local or the forums and we come across one of these tear extractors. If we're lucky it's not our tears they are extracting. And in those scenarios, we can judge what we see from a more objective perspective.. I know I have... and I always wonder: Why? Why are they extracting tears? It just seems so... sad and.... pathetic? It makes you wonder: What happened to these guys? Here we have fully grown adults that spend their free time logged onto an internet spaceship video game, with main purpose being to frustrate people and enjoy laughing about it. Really consider that for a second, creatures... you are spending hours of your free time doing the same thing snotty brats do at the age of 14... and you are doing this as adults. I would be simply and utterly surprised if any of these tear extractors have actual proper social skills in real life, and I reckon most are very doleful, shy and easy to pushover in the real world. When I see a "tear extractor" my first assumption is that he must be a colossal moron, as anyone with the slightest semblance of intelligence would recognize just how shameful and embarrassing it is to do such things as an adult. However what we find is that this does not apply to many of these creatures; many are capable of displaying strong intellect when needed. Are they damaged perhaps? Maybe they we're they abused, bullied and/or molested as children. Modern day psychology tells us such traumatic experiences in childhood could create such an effect; it creates murderers and rapists so why not these creatures? How about one's upbringing. Most of us learned how to act from our parents... without that, maybe we'd end up just like them. Or maybe there parents simply have the same kind of deplorable personality that they have. We call that a "vicious cycle". Listen creatures, I have a big ol' grin right now as I post this. Convince yourself this is tears, I couldn't care less. I thoroughly enjoy pointing these sorts of things out to people. What are your guys opinions on it? What is it that makes these creatures tick? Cheers and discuss!
This has been discussed many times. it boils down to this. 1. subject 1 enjoys all aspects of pvp in a pvp computer game. 2. subject 2 has a tantrum and bursts into tears when blown up / conned in a game designed around these activities.
one, both or neither of these groups might have irl social /mental problems but most of us assume that it is unlikely to be the first group that is having problems.
Also i am with the people who find the dehumanising language used in your OP to be very disturbing.
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Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:39:00 -
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There is something sad about players that take a game so seriously they cry, rage, and hate--for real--over actions that take place over the normal course of game play.
Tear extractors aren't the sad ones. They are the ones that remind everyone we are playing a game. That when we die, it is not real. When we lose money, we aren't losing real money. They are just the ones laughing when another player makes a bad play.
It was a tear extractor that taught me to truly enjoy eve. When my ship was turned to dust around me and I got a free trip back to station. I was going to tell this guy EXACTLY how I felt. I was so mad. So I opened up his profile and found.....
A form letter!
A form letter? Did this guy get so much hate that he had a form letter in his profile? I reassessed my whole attitude. And I did send him a message. But instead of raging like he expected, I talked to him normally asking what I did wrong and how I could improve my game.
He was totally helpful and not a jerk at all. That was back in revelations, so long ago that I don't have a killmail for it, but I wish I did, so I could give that guy the credit he deserves.
So no, I don't think tear extractors are sad at all. They are polite and fun people, you just have to treat them right. Although, they will still kill you if you give them half a chance. "I was about to say GÇ£HereGÇÖs a RubikGÇÖs cube, go f%$^ yourself,GÇ¥ because thatGÇÖs what we do with EVE Online." EVE Lead Game Designer Kristoffer Touborg for PC Gamer |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
56209
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:41:00 -
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Lightspeed Champion wrote: For this to make any sense the person I mentioned would have had to think pixels can feel pain...
Pixels can't feel pain.
BTW, I once threw grenades into the 'wedding-scene-on-the-boat' in Fallout 3 just to see what happened. The pixels that represented children didn't become pixel corpses, so I shot them for a bit. It's almost like I knew they weren't real...
When "Guernica" was defaced by vandals initially, I'm sure Picasso didn't actually feel any real 'pain' from it as nerve endings don't connect an artist to their work (Annie Sprinkle excepted).
But does that make it OK to do ? Does it really matter ? I mean, "Guernica" is essentially just a buncha paint on a fabric base not scientifically distinguishable from a blank painted bedroom wall.
Your arguments are basically saying these bad behaviors are justified as there is no 'real' body connection to any of it.
That's a very dangerous way to think ultimately.
Peter Marshall: Back in the 1870s, Emile Berliner invented something, and without it, I wouldn't be able to do my job. What was it? -á Paul Lynde:-á ...Makeup? Capped teeth? Loud sports jackets? |
Lightspeed Champion
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.10.13 14:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lightspeed Champion wrote: For this to make any sense the person I mentioned would have had to think pixels can feel pain...
Pixels can't feel pain.
BTW, I once threw grenades into the 'wedding-scene-on-the-boat' in Fallout 3 just to see what happened. The pixels that represented children didn't become pixel corpses, so I shot them for a bit. It's almost like I knew they weren't real...
When "Guernica" was defaced by vandals initially, I'm sure Picasso didn't actually feel any real 'pain' from it as nerve endings don't connect an artist to their work (Annie Sprinkle excepted). But does that make it OK to do ? Does it really matter ? I mean, "Guernica" is essentially just a buncha paint on a fabric base not scientifically distinguishable from a blank painted bedroom wall. Your arguments are basically saying these bad behaviors are justified as there is no 'real' body connection to any of it. That's a very dangerous way to think ultimately. You just compared one of the most powerful anti-war paintings of the last one hundred years to a ship in EVE-Online...
Get some perspective m8
Send any badposting-hate-mail to Sol Kal'orr. I promise to read it when I resub. |
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