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Shander Maxum
Shander Maxum Universal Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. What justification in God's green earth do you have for putting it there???
One thing he's missing, and that really is prevalent in general on the forums.. is to look for a right/wrong answer when there are matters of multiple ways of looking at something.
Lets say (being unusually charitable to is odd thought) that 75% of the people on the application review board thought the EVE mention was a positive. That would still mean it is a negative to %25 of the panel.. even in a "very good case" scenario.
You don't put things on a CV that 25% or even 10% of key people might see as a negative in terms of work habits and temprament necessary for a job.. unless the possible good impressions it makes on others is so good that it will be enough to have the others fight to take you over another similarly qualified party.
***--- now, if it were a "CV" at an online dating site... truth in advertising saves a lot of wasted time -- if game playing is important having a mate that can tolerate that or even better, enjoy it.. would be a pertinent "love me for who I am" inclusion. |
Winchester Steele
159
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:47:00 -
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Dirk Utama wrote:Just too sad.
My eve wealth is in the 10 digits, that translates to didly squat in the real world. Hence it ain't getting mentioned in a CV.
Unless you open a CCP - approved lottery. ... |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2964
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:53:00 -
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Shander Maxum wrote:Anslo wrote:Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. What justification in God's green earth do you have for putting it there??? One thing he's missing, and that really is prevalent in general on the forums.. is to look for a right/wrong answer when there are matters of multiple ways of looking at something. Lets say (being unusually charitable to is odd thought) that 75% of the people on the application review board thought the EVE mention was a positive. That would still mean it is a negative to %25 of the panel.. even in a "very good case" scenario. You don't put things on a CV that 25% or even 10% of key people might see as a negative in terms of work habits and temprament necessary for a job.. unless the possible good impressions it makes on others is so good that it will be enough to have the others fight to take you over another similarly qualified party. ***--- now, if it were a "CV" at an online dating site... truth in advertising saves a lot of wasted time -- if game playing is important having a mate that can tolerate that or even better, enjoy it.. would be a pertinent "love me for who I am" inclusion.
+1. The multiple solutions bit actually made me think about this point:
While being able to solve a problem efficiently in multiple ways is a good thing, Master's Degree's and standardized tests prove the worth of your problem solving/critical thinking skills in a more credible way than a game record does.
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
179
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:00:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
{I haven't read anything but the OP}
For the Love of all Pete...Do NOT do this!
Your resume would be passed around and laughed and made fun of for months.
I work as a manager and hire people. I also play Eve and even I would have great fun passing around your resume to coworkers and friends to laugh at. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3539
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:10:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
I have gotten so good at resume writing over the years that even strangers come to me for help.
My answer is: it depends on what you are applying for.
And this is a universal answer, because EVERY resume or CV needs to be tailored to the job you are after.
I have been on the sending end of resumes for years, and would get results only from specially tailored resumes and cover letters.
And then later on, on the receiving end, having to go through piles of submissions, usually AFTER doing my primary job at the end of the day, we need to weed out the chaff from the wheat so to speak.
The first to go are those that failed to follow simple instructions on how to send the resume.
Next are those that were unreadable. Seriously always assume the mood and disposition of the resume reader is not good (it usually isn't - it's usually a manager doing the work of more than one person, hence the reason why there's hiring going on) and so it must be readable and in good format.
Next where those that appeared to be robotically sent. I refer to those that appear to be just a copy of a resume that someone is sending out blindly. If they don't really care to tailor the resume to answer to the requirements of the job, then I don't care to read it. This is not because I want to be a douche (ee have Eve Online for that) but to give priority for those who really care about the job to take the extra measures. If someone is not employed and does not have the time to tailor the resume, that's indication of someone you don't want to hire.
So my answer to the OP is a non-answer really. It all depends on the job, and you should look up what the company is all about and how they operate, and how they would take such an entry. Some organizations will push your CV into a fire pit with a 10' pole if they see Eve as an item, others will not. You have to judge.
If in doubt, I would be general about it and not mention the game specifically and emphasize the core of the entry. If it's all about writing guides, then parlay the item into being described as a technical support of "technical writing" skill for "multi-user software". Then if you get an interview and see you are talking to gamer geeks, then you can give more details at that time. If you are in a corporate environment of older stuffed shirts, don't talk about any games at all. For an organization like that, as far as they are concerned you don't play games (because THEY don't play games). |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
426
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:49:00 -
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Nope, but it's also completely irrevenant to my line of work. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
340
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:12:00 -
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I hire people at my job, though it is a small business. I have been playing Eve for 9 years. I love it and it has taught me organizational, communication and other useful skills. That being said, if I ever saw Eve or any other game on a resume, I guarantee you I would never, ever, ever hire that person. Perhaps I might think differently if I was with CCP HR department or something similar, but barring a job where it is a real qualification, it just makes the applicant look like someone whose priorities are in the wrong place, whose understanding of what employers are likely to value is way off, and generally an applicant of questionable to poor judgment. Maybe (very maybe) it could appear as a hobby if all other qualifications are strong, but even then I would not look favorably on such an entry on a resume.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Shizuka Mena
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:19:00 -
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Both myself and a good friend of mine have used Live Action Roleplay gaming on our CV's (he works with stats for the council and I work as a care assistant) and certainly in his case and I believe in my case it contributed to us getting our current jobs. If LARPing can help then EvE can. Make sure you stress the skills that your gaming has given you and don't really talk about the game itself at all and it's fine. So you might for example want to focus on how you manage a team of 1000's motivating and coordinating them though electronic communication methods to achieve a common goal, resolve disputes with your team and between your team and other teams etc. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
945
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:00:00 -
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It depends on the job your applying for It depends if what you do in eve is relevant to that job
CEO, Director & Diplomat can all be said to require some skills that are useful in real world management roles. Everything else .... not so much. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
694
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:10:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE. Unless you get really UNlucky, and you ganked the boss' Rattlesnake, last week, while he was running a lowsec mission...
To be honest my boss playing eve online. i`m working in a gas station 24hours. So at some night he jump in and see that i was playing eve online. Now we are best friends. Thats almost 6 years ago. So yah sometimes a game can help the future atleast it work for me. |
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Michael Turate
The Scope Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:40:00 -
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I told some people I work with about Eve, the general feedback (once they'd stopped laughing) seemed to be along the lines of:-
"Sounds like a bunch of fat nerds c o c k fencing about made up spaceships"
Wait a minute........... |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
693
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:46:00 -
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Being in the IT branch, it is on my resume.
Also, if you're looking to be a manager of something, especially IT business related, putting on your resume that you've lead 1000 man corporation in a game like Eve, or if you want to join a logistics company, and on your resume is that you've organised the moving an fitting of a 5000 man alliance and their logistical backbone, yes, that is definitely something worth putting on your resume.
For a construction worker, not really relevant. It basicly comes down to exactly that, revelevance to the position you're looking for. Eve has so many aspects that require skills in very high levels that you need to perform certain real life jobs, that being successful in eve doing these things is most definitely something worth mentioning.
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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
320
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:50:00 -
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I also point to this again, even thought it's over five years old now. IBM gaming and Leadership Report - Studying management practices in online games.
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Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
8
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Posted - 2013.10.24 05:34:00 -
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Unless you're trying to work for a Gaming company.............. NEVER DO IT..... NEVER ....
I've owned computer retail stores for over 20 years and I've hired all types of IT guys, and I would see it as a distraction to work and nothing more. If you programmed code for CCP, then put that.
Only a game dev... would see a value in your understanding game mechanics. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1467
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Posted - 2013.10.24 06:01:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:No Means No wrote:world of warcraft players were considered to be better employees compared to those who dont play it.
true story..
gamers are to be amongst the best employees, turned out they have higher levels of:
focus creativity dedication presistence multi tasking capabilities and other qualities i dont remember of
just google That's the problem... you receive a CV... it mentions EVE Online... you google it... then read of corporate theft, espionage, scams, awoxing...
The qualities you have listed above, are the ideal qualities for someone considering a career to a career in Banking and Financial Services. This is not a signature. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
87
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:39:00 -
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"I have worked as a recruitment consultant in the field for twenty five years and if anyone mentions computer gaming even as a hobby on their CV, application or any correspondence with me or my department I put their application in the bin."
Someone with 25 years experience in my field. Great. Imiarr's Services: The Standing Correction Agency : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41506 Imiarr Timshae's FREE 3rd Party and Collateral Holding Service : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3297432&#post3297432 |
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
14
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:14:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:"I have worked as a recruitment consultant in the field for twenty five years and if anyone mentions computer gaming even as a hobby on their CV, application or any correspondence with me or my department I put their application in the bin."
Someone with 25 years experience in my field. Great. this. unless of course when u r applying for CCP or similar gaming companies RIP Iron Lady |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
511
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:35:00 -
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I put WoW on my CV when I played that....so I would have no problem with putting Eve on my CV.
EDIT:
Yes, it came up at an interview, yes, it was discussed at length about raiding etc (by two directors who had no idea wtf a computer was), and yes, I got the job.
People put football, golf, movies etc on their cv...I am not ashamed of my hobby. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
88
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:40:00 -
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It is worth noting that it is still on my C.V.
I've run an agency that sells standings for four years. It has had (it fluctuates because it operates like a real-world agency) around 150 people involved at the peak.
I maintain accounts, manage clients, bill people, pay people, process invoices, produce spreadsheets and deal with basically everything else imaginable from managing timezone differences between a client who wants standing in Australia and a mission runner who lives in Belgium to dealing with non-English speaking clients who desperately want something I don't understand.
The link to my business is in my forum signature so if you're reading this feel free to go and check it out - you'll see my record is overwhelmingly positive.
When I was applying for recruitment consultant positions inside an agency I listed this experience as "Creation and management of an approximately 150 staff operation within an online simulated microeconomy owned by Crowd Control Productions. This experience saw me create a job agency from the ground up, advertise, recruit employees, manage staff inflow/outflow, process invoices, manage accounts, act as first point of contact for the organization, manage international timezone differences between clients and potential employees and maintain two email lists with information for clients/employees."
This did in fact get me a job interview - my C.V. ended up on the desk of the head of a company in London and I was invited to an interview there.
That aside - I don't list this experience anywhere else, even as a hobby, nor would I put it on a C.V. for anything else. But for recruitment positions what I do in Eve is pretty much exactly analogous. Imiarr's Services: The Standing Correction Agency : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41506 Imiarr Timshae's FREE 3rd Party and Collateral Holding Service : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3297432&#post3297432 |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1086
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:54:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:I put WoW on my CV when I played that....so I would have no problem with putting Eve on my CV.
EDIT:
Yes, it came up at an interview, yes, it was discussed at length about raiding etc (by two directors who had no idea wtf a computer was), and yes, I got the job.
People put football, golf, movies etc on their cv...I am not ashamed of my hobby. It's unlikely that you will play football until 2AM causing you to be tired at work the next day. Maybe I am unfair but I would always expect a WoW player to prioritize another dozen pulls on some boss his guild just got down to single digit percents over being alert at his job the next day, and I would expect an EVE player to stick out the full 5 hours of a FR- like battle even if that means going to bed at 2 or 3 AM.
As for the "I am leading an alliance of 7,000 players, look how great my management skills are" suggestions - that only works if the HR guy has no idea how much work running an EVE alliance is. Otherwise you have just told him that you spend almost every waking minute of your life managing your EVE alliance - probably including your time on the job (running jabber on your smartphone while at work seems to be disturbingly common amongst EVE players). Your employer can also expect you to take days off on short notice or feign illness whenever your alliance has to deal with important timers in ****** timezones.
The only EVE players I would recommend hiring are the extreme casuals. I would expect a 0.0 grunt to frequently arrive at work sleepy & sluggish and I would expect anyone in an in-game leadership position to have his mind on EVE and not on his work.
(I think my view of MMO players would be much nicer if I only knew the negative stereotypes and didn't have any first-hand experience.) |
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Thalos Elongus
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:58:00 -
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We once had a guest Speaker at a Company Event that claimed that games have superpowers.
The session was great and actually had some interesting twists in it. The way the Speaker sold it, i would not mind putting it on my CV. There are definitely some skills that can be thought by plaing MMO's.
But on the other Hand i am a Little bit odd when it Comes to CV's and interviews... One of my favorite interview questions is "What is your best trait?" (Which is almost always asked... My stock answer to this one is "I am lazy" (And yes, I -DO- have a Job...)
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Carniflex
StarHunt The Explicit Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:12:00 -
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Well not into CV. But I did mention it in my Marie Curie Fellowship proposal as part of my leadership experience. It's a bit risky thing to do ofc as it depends on evaluators if they see it as valuable experience or as a proof that I have "wasted time on games". Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
571
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:14:00 -
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No..... just no.
The only instance i can think of it being acceptable would be for a job in the games industry, or for an employer that you know plays EvE. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for failure. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Trevor Dalech
CandyMan Cartel
15
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:00:00 -
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While I have always put some of my hobbies on my CV, it gives an interesting conversation opening once you get past the "can you do the job" part to the "are you a fun co-worker" part, I wouldn't think of putting EVE (or any other computer game) on there.
Saying I was the treasurer of my chess club conveys the message that I am smart and responsible (wait...What?!?)
Saying I was the treasurer in an online gaming group doesn't really carry the same weight for some reason. |
Schroedinger Boltzman
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:49:00 -
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No you don't put Eve Online on a CV.
Instead, pretend your eve experiences are real, and that you worked for an obscure company in another part of the country that is very difficult to contact, and put that on your cv. When you are asked questions during your interview you can relay your experiences within eve with convincing detail and the confidence of someone who hasn't just made it all up, or exaggerated their role at a previous company. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
238
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Posted - 2013.11.04 08:07:00 -
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mmh , thats wy im still unemployed The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Bal'Ayle
The Illuminatii
4
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:02:00 -
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See i put just "EVE" on my CV as a hobbie, and it has got me two jobs in 5 years, mainly on one because they used that as a topic for me to "train" other people with as the job I applied for required me to supervise and they wanted to see if I could educate a room full of people about something no-one but me knew about. 2 people went home and started playing it long term.
and the second time it was brought up in an interview as a "what is EVE?" The manager loved the idea so much that he subscribed and we both started playing together "not at work after hours... honest >_>"
I think anything on your CV can be used positively so long as you can apply it to a real world scenario. Eve allows us to play with stock markets, buy and trade goods and form alliances with people generally speaking we cant actually stand for the better of both organisations.
It teaches us teamwork and trust, betrayal and despair and all of these leave small markers on our personalities however you want to decorate that truth.
In game I will shelter you if I can and help you if only you would ask. I never ignore a chat and am more than happy to work as a team but I am easily capable of working solo. I can recognise a wolf in sheeps clothing and hide my own claws pretty well.
All of this using our much loved internet space ships, my grammars awful my spelling worse and I'm a manager at a roofing company - hell im on break right now.
But if my boss asks it of me I will stay for those extra 2-3 hours to help out, I buy the lunches in our office and it is me who offers those under me tea or clears our bins when there full. I train the new people and I keep an eye on health and safety and Law. Why? Because That's who I am. I bring the spare ammo to an engagement I fly ahead or play tackle. and I distract the interceptors so you can get away.
So yes, It goes on my CV if anything just as an ice breaker to let me know they read it and are capable as employers to admit they do not know what it is.
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Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:43:00 -
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No.. Never it boils down to:
1. They have never heard of EVE and think you are weird or obsessed with video games (you really want to to depend on this guy to turn up on time and do the job)?
2. Worse they have heard of eve and how obsessive and backstabbing it is.. or have even play it... 'wow you play EVE cool what alliance are you in... FUFUFUFUUFUFUUFUFUFUFU you are why I quit!' whilst stabbing you with the nearest blunt instrument.
I bite my lip at the boss telling me he plays minecraft with his son.. Oh you play computer games.. how.. erm novel...
EVE is real.
Work is work.
Eve can teach you all kinds of interesting things about working with other people especially people who initially don't want to do what you want.. best to keep it to yourself. |
Bal'Ayle
The Illuminatii
5
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:31:00 -
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2 hours ago, because of this topic i gave a chap a trial for a week just because he knew what EVE was. hes getting a weeks money based on his professionalism and because he thinks that EVE is like any other hobby.
in defence of the opposition I also like airsoft but as a 24yr old manager i dont tell many people particularly prospective employers that i like metal toy guns and BB bullets. so I guess the end result is this.
anything can be positive or negative depending upon the context of its arrival in a conversation. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
351
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:47:00 -
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I DO!
Not just EVE, but gaming in general on my resume - I do business development and strategy. I am certain some people don't get it, but that is great because it weeds those people out and attracts those who do. It has not hurt one bit. |
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