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Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
411
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:13:00 -
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Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:16:00 -
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That entirely depends on what job you were going for and whether what you did around EVE was relevant. I certainly wouldn't put playing EVE as a skill, nor would I put down how well (or ho badly) I pew pew. But if you were becoming a writer and you'd written a lot about EVE, or a web developer and had developed a website around EVE, those kind of skills are easily transferable to the workplace. Managing a corp, not so much. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1482
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:17:00 -
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No because people will interpret you as a lazy escapist.
Maybe in another decade, when online interaction is ubiquitous. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Dirk Utama
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:18:00 -
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Just too sad.
My eve wealth is in the 10 digits, that translates to didly squat in the real world. Hence it ain't getting mentioned in a CV. |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
260
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:19:00 -
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Depends. In IT-industry it might not be a bad idea. If you're applying for a job in construction site then I'd probably leave it out. Simply because most people would not understand, and gaming even still has a bit of a stigma. I'm sure most would roll their eyes and say "hah, what can you learn playing some online game?" Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE.
Game developers, and other software companies would probably be more understanding. So, depending on what kind of job you're applying to I'd say cautious yes, but generally no. |
Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
106
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:20:00 -
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Depends on the pitch tbh. I'd possibly put it down as a 'supporting hobby' if and only if I had a relevant qualification or workplace experience to back it up. Basically frame your hobby contributions to a CV in the context of your achievements in your academic/professional life.
If you just talk about how you assist in hobbies, and that hobby is not a product of, or supported by, the company you are applying to, it is in the realm of small talk, not substance.
For example:
I enjoy developing guides that assist others in their enjoyment of [hobby], a practice that I have carried over to (or from) my posting at [job] where I was called upon to [relevant duties]. This has enabled me to not only engage with a diverse audience, both professionally and generally, but it has also improved my ability to develop based on critical feedback of my employers and peers.
As always, TAILOR your CVs to the job at hand. A template CV is ok if it is a framework, but nothing would turn most prospective employers off faster than a formulaic application (unless they provided the form - then they probably want that). "Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude |
Eaphod
Interstellar Hitchhiker's Holding Corp
8
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:22:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:No because people will interpret you as a lazy escapist.
Maybe in another decade, when online interaction is ubiquitous.
Exactly this. My wife is a Human Resources manager. Even with someone who plays various games that certainly have plenty to learn from them as her husband, she says this would be a very bad idea. If for no other reason than if you end up talking about a video game in an interview, something has probably gone wrong (assuming the job is not related to the video game industry).
People just don't accept it, and honestly, we may never get to a point where it's acceptable or a "plus" considering what smaller percentage of the population treats gaming as a serious hobby rather than just another activity. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
224
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:25:00 -
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If i was the head of a community of a few thousand people, having to make decisions influencing these thousands of people, i would definitely point that out.
Makes no sense not to.
That said ... the three CVs i've wrote in my life were the last ones i had to write anyway. ^_^ |
No Means No
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:26:00 -
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if you looking for a job in london, then yes.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
411
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:30:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Depends. In IT-industry it might not be a bad idea. If you're applying for a job in construction site then I'd probably leave it out. Simply because most people would not understand, and gaming even still has a bit of a stigma. I'm sure most would roll their eyes and say "hah, what can you learn playing some online game?" Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE.
Game developers, and other software companies would probably be more understanding. So, depending on what kind of job you're applying to I'd say cautious yes, but generally no.
Yea well that's just it, put down you play for the poxy local 5 a side team and no one questions it, but something like running a corp of 1000 people in Eve will raise eyebrows?
BTW this is all hypothetical I'm not actually going to do it (yet) |
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San La Muerte
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:33:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
You're kidding, right? "I am the harbinger of hope. -áI am the sword of the righteous and to all who hear my words I say this: what you give to this empire, I shall give back unto you" - Empress Jamyl Sarum I at her coronation. |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
655
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:35:00 -
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Nope. I'm a Gen-Xer working for Boomer execs who don't get that whole Evercraft thing. Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1482
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:35:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Depends. In IT-industry it might not be a bad idea. If you're applying for a job in construction site then I'd probably leave it out. Simply because most people would not understand, and gaming even still has a bit of a stigma. I'm sure most would roll their eyes and say "hah, what can you learn playing some online game?" Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE.
Game developers, and other software companies would probably be more understanding. So, depending on what kind of job you're applying to I'd say cautious yes, but generally no. Yea well that's just it, put down you play for the poxy local 5 a side team and no one questions it, but something like running a corp of 1000 people in Eve will raise eyebrows?BTW this is all hypothetical I'm not actually going to do it (yet)
Yeah, you're right of course, but that doesn't mean that others will recognize that they're wrong.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:36:00 -
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Use your spy network to spot the employer characters and make a character assertion based on the intel. Should help with tailoring the CV. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
508
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:42:00 -
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No, but I went to an interview years ago at a small company and the guy had eve tabbed out on the PC. The friggen' appointment was for 1pm and I finally sat down at 1:45. After he finished his spiel on how great the company was I asked if that was eve on his PC. He was very embarrassed when I asked him if I just waited 45 minutes because he had a CTA go long or something. Needless to say I didn't take that job. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1750
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:42:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE.
though, that could also be a reason you don't get hired ...
"Oh, what corp are you in" "uh ... well ... Enlightened Industries" "I see ... they're part of Goonswarm, right. Just so happens I'm with Tin Foil" "oh... shi..." One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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CCP Falcon
4298
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:50:00 -
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I did!
I guess that's uh... kinda different though
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No Means No
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:54:00 -
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world of warcraft players were considered to be better employees compared to those who dont play it.
true story..
gamers are to be amongst the best employees, turned out they have higher levels of:
focus creativity dedication presistence multi tasking capabilities and other qualities i dont remember of
just google
edit: oh and it also says about the social part, and team work |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
436
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:56:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE.
Unless you get really UNlucky, and you ganked the boss' Rattlesnake, last week, while he was running a lowsec mission... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2241
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Posted - 2013.10.23 16:57:00 -
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No Means No wrote:world of warcraft players were considered to be better employees compared to those who dont play it.
true story..
gamers are to be amongst the best employees, turned out they have higher levels of:
focus creativity dedication presistence multi tasking capabilities and other qualities i dont remember of
just google
That's the problem... you receive a CV... it mentions EVE Online... you google it... then read of corporate theft, espionage, scams, awoxing... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
288
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:11:00 -
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No, I wouldn't.
Depending on the job and the person doing the interview, I might mention it during the interview. That happening would be highly unlikely as well. |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2240
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:20:00 -
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I actually had a small paragraph that mentioned Eve on my portfolio. Last place I gave that to gave me a job, so...
Quote: Because of the confidential nature of information on those reports I am unfortunately unable to show any examples of my work. And so instead, I will show some examples of hobby work I have done with XML.
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Eve Online is an MMO (Mass Multiplayer Online) sci-fi space simulator where players vie for control of space, resources, fame or economic/political prowess. In Eve Online, spaceships can be fitted with upgrades to customise or refine their use, and the game puts certain restrictions on what can and cannot be added to the ship. The combination of upgrades you use can then be saved as a "fitting" to be shown to friends or referred to later. These "fittings" are stored as XMLs and can be manipulated to show fittings that are impossible within the constraints of the game. I have often created humorous impossible fits for friends. Below is how the fitting would be displayed in-game, and what it's XML originally looked like; "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Secret Menace
Yeast in the Great Ferment
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:31:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:No because people will interpret you as a lazy escapist.
Maybe in another decade, when online interaction is ubiquitous.
Generally I agree with this sentiment.
As others have said, it depends on the industry.
I would go a step farther than avoiding mention on the CV. If you are a professional like a Real Estate Broker, an Attorney, a Financial Adviser or if you're climbing corporate ranks on the non IT sides of Investment Banking company's, Retail etc... being associated with an MMO is a distinct liability.
For all of you "If people don't accept me for what I am, I wouldn't work there" types...well your point is well taken...yet that's like saying that TV commercials for a product shouldn't make and economy car look fast and glamorous .
If you're selling cars, you're going to make them look sleek, efficient and aggressive. The horsepower and quality of the car itself is vital .. but when it comes down to making a purchase the buyer will have a choice between another alternative with similar attributes.
When deciding between two products of equal quality little "cosmetic" points are vital in terms of who gets the business
When it comes to winning clients or getting promotions ... when general perceptions of say "mental vigor" are vital.. don't ever ever use your real name associated with video games online
(if you're in an tech, engineering or accounting firm where people expect a "nerdier" personality.. it might be less damaging --- a fair many people here might qualify for being part of those fields - might not even imagine that 2/3s of the high paying professions have nothing to do with tech/enineering/accounting or don't have most clients in the fields) |
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
320
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:36:00 -
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Depends on where I was sending the cv. But I don't think "working together with people from different countries toward a shared goal often under pressure" is a bad experience. On the other hand, if you word it like "killing pubbies for tears" maybe it's not the experience but your cv writing skills that needs to be worked on.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1805
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:39:00 -
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As somebody else said, it would depend on the pitch. If the interviewer seemed open-minded and receptive to this kind of thing, yes. But unless the interviewer were already familiar with EVE, the time spent explaining the background could be too much for the momentum of the interview. Everything would have to be done just right, or the interview could end on the general theme that the candidate focused it on a trivial achievement in a game.
Either way, I wouldn't put EVE accomplishments on a CV. I'd only mention them in an interview, if I was very sure it would go well. Anyway, this. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
100
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:41:00 -
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Yeah, right next to my rxperience masturbating in my bedroom. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2962
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:47:00 -
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Sorry, but I'd throw out any resume that tries to pass a game off as a wanted industry skill.
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Optimo Sebiestor
Bondage Goat Zombie Strictly Unprofessional
192
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Posted - 2013.10.23 18:18:00 -
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Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2962
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Posted - 2013.10.23 18:22:00 -
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Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. What justification in God's green earth do you have for putting it there???
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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
194
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Posted - 2013.10.23 18:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. What justification in God's green earth do you have for putting it there??? Maybe it's the police academy of the film series, it would fit right in... "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
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Shander Maxum
Shander Maxum Universal Ltd.
7
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. What justification in God's green earth do you have for putting it there???
One thing he's missing, and that really is prevalent in general on the forums.. is to look for a right/wrong answer when there are matters of multiple ways of looking at something.
Lets say (being unusually charitable to is odd thought) that 75% of the people on the application review board thought the EVE mention was a positive. That would still mean it is a negative to %25 of the panel.. even in a "very good case" scenario.
You don't put things on a CV that 25% or even 10% of key people might see as a negative in terms of work habits and temprament necessary for a job.. unless the possible good impressions it makes on others is so good that it will be enough to have the others fight to take you over another similarly qualified party.
***--- now, if it were a "CV" at an online dating site... truth in advertising saves a lot of wasted time -- if game playing is important having a mate that can tolerate that or even better, enjoy it.. would be a pertinent "love me for who I am" inclusion. |
Winchester Steele
159
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:47:00 -
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Dirk Utama wrote:Just too sad.
My eve wealth is in the 10 digits, that translates to didly squat in the real world. Hence it ain't getting mentioned in a CV.
Unless you open a CCP - approved lottery. ... |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2964
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:53:00 -
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Shander Maxum wrote:Anslo wrote:Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Defenetly putting it on my cv when im applying to the police academy next month.. What justification in God's green earth do you have for putting it there??? One thing he's missing, and that really is prevalent in general on the forums.. is to look for a right/wrong answer when there are matters of multiple ways of looking at something. Lets say (being unusually charitable to is odd thought) that 75% of the people on the application review board thought the EVE mention was a positive. That would still mean it is a negative to %25 of the panel.. even in a "very good case" scenario. You don't put things on a CV that 25% or even 10% of key people might see as a negative in terms of work habits and temprament necessary for a job.. unless the possible good impressions it makes on others is so good that it will be enough to have the others fight to take you over another similarly qualified party. ***--- now, if it were a "CV" at an online dating site... truth in advertising saves a lot of wasted time -- if game playing is important having a mate that can tolerate that or even better, enjoy it.. would be a pertinent "love me for who I am" inclusion.
+1. The multiple solutions bit actually made me think about this point:
While being able to solve a problem efficiently in multiple ways is a good thing, Master's Degree's and standardized tests prove the worth of your problem solving/critical thinking skills in a more credible way than a game record does.
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
179
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:00:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
{I haven't read anything but the OP}
For the Love of all Pete...Do NOT do this!
Your resume would be passed around and laughed and made fun of for months.
I work as a manager and hire people. I also play Eve and even I would have great fun passing around your resume to coworkers and friends to laugh at. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3539
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:10:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
I have gotten so good at resume writing over the years that even strangers come to me for help.
My answer is: it depends on what you are applying for.
And this is a universal answer, because EVERY resume or CV needs to be tailored to the job you are after.
I have been on the sending end of resumes for years, and would get results only from specially tailored resumes and cover letters.
And then later on, on the receiving end, having to go through piles of submissions, usually AFTER doing my primary job at the end of the day, we need to weed out the chaff from the wheat so to speak.
The first to go are those that failed to follow simple instructions on how to send the resume.
Next are those that were unreadable. Seriously always assume the mood and disposition of the resume reader is not good (it usually isn't - it's usually a manager doing the work of more than one person, hence the reason why there's hiring going on) and so it must be readable and in good format.
Next where those that appeared to be robotically sent. I refer to those that appear to be just a copy of a resume that someone is sending out blindly. If they don't really care to tailor the resume to answer to the requirements of the job, then I don't care to read it. This is not because I want to be a douche (ee have Eve Online for that) but to give priority for those who really care about the job to take the extra measures. If someone is not employed and does not have the time to tailor the resume, that's indication of someone you don't want to hire.
So my answer to the OP is a non-answer really. It all depends on the job, and you should look up what the company is all about and how they operate, and how they would take such an entry. Some organizations will push your CV into a fire pit with a 10' pole if they see Eve as an item, others will not. You have to judge.
If in doubt, I would be general about it and not mention the game specifically and emphasize the core of the entry. If it's all about writing guides, then parlay the item into being described as a technical support of "technical writing" skill for "multi-user software". Then if you get an interview and see you are talking to gamer geeks, then you can give more details at that time. If you are in a corporate environment of older stuffed shirts, don't talk about any games at all. For an organization like that, as far as they are concerned you don't play games (because THEY don't play games). |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
426
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:49:00 -
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Nope, but it's also completely irrevenant to my line of work. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
340
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:12:00 -
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I hire people at my job, though it is a small business. I have been playing Eve for 9 years. I love it and it has taught me organizational, communication and other useful skills. That being said, if I ever saw Eve or any other game on a resume, I guarantee you I would never, ever, ever hire that person. Perhaps I might think differently if I was with CCP HR department or something similar, but barring a job where it is a real qualification, it just makes the applicant look like someone whose priorities are in the wrong place, whose understanding of what employers are likely to value is way off, and generally an applicant of questionable to poor judgment. Maybe (very maybe) it could appear as a hobby if all other qualifications are strong, but even then I would not look favorably on such an entry on a resume.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Shizuka Mena
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:19:00 -
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Both myself and a good friend of mine have used Live Action Roleplay gaming on our CV's (he works with stats for the council and I work as a care assistant) and certainly in his case and I believe in my case it contributed to us getting our current jobs. If LARPing can help then EvE can. Make sure you stress the skills that your gaming has given you and don't really talk about the game itself at all and it's fine. So you might for example want to focus on how you manage a team of 1000's motivating and coordinating them though electronic communication methods to achieve a common goal, resolve disputes with your team and between your team and other teams etc. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
945
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:00:00 -
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It depends on the job your applying for It depends if what you do in eve is relevant to that job
CEO, Director & Diplomat can all be said to require some skills that are useful in real world management roles. Everything else .... not so much. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
694
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:10:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Unless you get really lucky and have the boss of the place also play EVE. Unless you get really UNlucky, and you ganked the boss' Rattlesnake, last week, while he was running a lowsec mission...
To be honest my boss playing eve online. i`m working in a gas station 24hours. So at some night he jump in and see that i was playing eve online. Now we are best friends. Thats almost 6 years ago. So yah sometimes a game can help the future atleast it work for me. |
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Michael Turate
The Scope Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:40:00 -
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I told some people I work with about Eve, the general feedback (once they'd stopped laughing) seemed to be along the lines of:-
"Sounds like a bunch of fat nerds c o c k fencing about made up spaceships"
Wait a minute........... |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
693
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:46:00 -
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Being in the IT branch, it is on my resume.
Also, if you're looking to be a manager of something, especially IT business related, putting on your resume that you've lead 1000 man corporation in a game like Eve, or if you want to join a logistics company, and on your resume is that you've organised the moving an fitting of a 5000 man alliance and their logistical backbone, yes, that is definitely something worth putting on your resume.
For a construction worker, not really relevant. It basicly comes down to exactly that, revelevance to the position you're looking for. Eve has so many aspects that require skills in very high levels that you need to perform certain real life jobs, that being successful in eve doing these things is most definitely something worth mentioning.
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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
320
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:50:00 -
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I also point to this again, even thought it's over five years old now. IBM gaming and Leadership Report - Studying management practices in online games.
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Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
8
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Posted - 2013.10.24 05:34:00 -
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Unless you're trying to work for a Gaming company.............. NEVER DO IT..... NEVER ....
I've owned computer retail stores for over 20 years and I've hired all types of IT guys, and I would see it as a distraction to work and nothing more. If you programmed code for CCP, then put that.
Only a game dev... would see a value in your understanding game mechanics. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1467
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Posted - 2013.10.24 06:01:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:No Means No wrote:world of warcraft players were considered to be better employees compared to those who dont play it.
true story..
gamers are to be amongst the best employees, turned out they have higher levels of:
focus creativity dedication presistence multi tasking capabilities and other qualities i dont remember of
just google That's the problem... you receive a CV... it mentions EVE Online... you google it... then read of corporate theft, espionage, scams, awoxing...
The qualities you have listed above, are the ideal qualities for someone considering a career to a career in Banking and Financial Services. This is not a signature. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
87
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:39:00 -
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"I have worked as a recruitment consultant in the field for twenty five years and if anyone mentions computer gaming even as a hobby on their CV, application or any correspondence with me or my department I put their application in the bin."
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
14
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:14:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:"I have worked as a recruitment consultant in the field for twenty five years and if anyone mentions computer gaming even as a hobby on their CV, application or any correspondence with me or my department I put their application in the bin."
Someone with 25 years experience in my field. Great. this. unless of course when u r applying for CCP or similar gaming companies RIP Iron Lady |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
511
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:35:00 -
[48] - Quote
I put WoW on my CV when I played that....so I would have no problem with putting Eve on my CV.
EDIT:
Yes, it came up at an interview, yes, it was discussed at length about raiding etc (by two directors who had no idea wtf a computer was), and yes, I got the job.
People put football, golf, movies etc on their cv...I am not ashamed of my hobby. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
88
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Posted - 2013.10.24 08:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
It is worth noting that it is still on my C.V.
I've run an agency that sells standings for four years. It has had (it fluctuates because it operates like a real-world agency) around 150 people involved at the peak.
I maintain accounts, manage clients, bill people, pay people, process invoices, produce spreadsheets and deal with basically everything else imaginable from managing timezone differences between a client who wants standing in Australia and a mission runner who lives in Belgium to dealing with non-English speaking clients who desperately want something I don't understand.
The link to my business is in my forum signature so if you're reading this feel free to go and check it out - you'll see my record is overwhelmingly positive.
When I was applying for recruitment consultant positions inside an agency I listed this experience as "Creation and management of an approximately 150 staff operation within an online simulated microeconomy owned by Crowd Control Productions. This experience saw me create a job agency from the ground up, advertise, recruit employees, manage staff inflow/outflow, process invoices, manage accounts, act as first point of contact for the organization, manage international timezone differences between clients and potential employees and maintain two email lists with information for clients/employees."
This did in fact get me a job interview - my C.V. ended up on the desk of the head of a company in London and I was invited to an interview there.
That aside - I don't list this experience anywhere else, even as a hobby, nor would I put it on a C.V. for anything else. But for recruitment positions what I do in Eve is pretty much exactly analogous. Imiarr's Services: The Standing Correction Agency : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41506 Imiarr Timshae's FREE 3rd Party and Collateral Holding Service : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3297432&#post3297432 |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1086
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:54:00 -
[50] - Quote
Rhivre wrote:I put WoW on my CV when I played that....so I would have no problem with putting Eve on my CV.
EDIT:
Yes, it came up at an interview, yes, it was discussed at length about raiding etc (by two directors who had no idea wtf a computer was), and yes, I got the job.
People put football, golf, movies etc on their cv...I am not ashamed of my hobby. It's unlikely that you will play football until 2AM causing you to be tired at work the next day. Maybe I am unfair but I would always expect a WoW player to prioritize another dozen pulls on some boss his guild just got down to single digit percents over being alert at his job the next day, and I would expect an EVE player to stick out the full 5 hours of a FR- like battle even if that means going to bed at 2 or 3 AM.
As for the "I am leading an alliance of 7,000 players, look how great my management skills are" suggestions - that only works if the HR guy has no idea how much work running an EVE alliance is. Otherwise you have just told him that you spend almost every waking minute of your life managing your EVE alliance - probably including your time on the job (running jabber on your smartphone while at work seems to be disturbingly common amongst EVE players). Your employer can also expect you to take days off on short notice or feign illness whenever your alliance has to deal with important timers in ****** timezones.
The only EVE players I would recommend hiring are the extreme casuals. I would expect a 0.0 grunt to frequently arrive at work sleepy & sluggish and I would expect anyone in an in-game leadership position to have his mind on EVE and not on his work.
(I think my view of MMO players would be much nicer if I only knew the negative stereotypes and didn't have any first-hand experience.) |
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Thalos Elongus
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:58:00 -
[51] - Quote
We once had a guest Speaker at a Company Event that claimed that games have superpowers.
The session was great and actually had some interesting twists in it. The way the Speaker sold it, i would not mind putting it on my CV. There are definitely some skills that can be thought by plaing MMO's.
But on the other Hand i am a Little bit odd when it Comes to CV's and interviews... One of my favorite interview questions is "What is your best trait?" (Which is almost always asked... My stock answer to this one is "I am lazy" (And yes, I -DO- have a Job...)
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Carniflex
StarHunt The Explicit Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
Well not into CV. But I did mention it in my Marie Curie Fellowship proposal as part of my leadership experience. It's a bit risky thing to do ofc as it depends on evaluators if they see it as valuable experience or as a proof that I have "wasted time on games". Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
571
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:14:00 -
[53] - Quote
No..... just no.
The only instance i can think of it being acceptable would be for a job in the games industry, or for an employer that you know plays EvE. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for failure. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Trevor Dalech
CandyMan Cartel
15
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:00:00 -
[54] - Quote
While I have always put some of my hobbies on my CV, it gives an interesting conversation opening once you get past the "can you do the job" part to the "are you a fun co-worker" part, I wouldn't think of putting EVE (or any other computer game) on there.
Saying I was the treasurer of my chess club conveys the message that I am smart and responsible (wait...What?!?)
Saying I was the treasurer in an online gaming group doesn't really carry the same weight for some reason. |
Schroedinger Boltzman
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:49:00 -
[55] - Quote
No you don't put Eve Online on a CV.
Instead, pretend your eve experiences are real, and that you worked for an obscure company in another part of the country that is very difficult to contact, and put that on your cv. When you are asked questions during your interview you can relay your experiences within eve with convincing detail and the confidence of someone who hasn't just made it all up, or exaggerated their role at a previous company. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
238
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Posted - 2013.11.04 08:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
mmh , thats wy im still unemployed The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Bal'Ayle
The Illuminatii
4
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
See i put just "EVE" on my CV as a hobbie, and it has got me two jobs in 5 years, mainly on one because they used that as a topic for me to "train" other people with as the job I applied for required me to supervise and they wanted to see if I could educate a room full of people about something no-one but me knew about. 2 people went home and started playing it long term.
and the second time it was brought up in an interview as a "what is EVE?" The manager loved the idea so much that he subscribed and we both started playing together "not at work after hours... honest >_>"
I think anything on your CV can be used positively so long as you can apply it to a real world scenario. Eve allows us to play with stock markets, buy and trade goods and form alliances with people generally speaking we cant actually stand for the better of both organisations.
It teaches us teamwork and trust, betrayal and despair and all of these leave small markers on our personalities however you want to decorate that truth.
In game I will shelter you if I can and help you if only you would ask. I never ignore a chat and am more than happy to work as a team but I am easily capable of working solo. I can recognise a wolf in sheeps clothing and hide my own claws pretty well.
All of this using our much loved internet space ships, my grammars awful my spelling worse and I'm a manager at a roofing company - hell im on break right now.
But if my boss asks it of me I will stay for those extra 2-3 hours to help out, I buy the lunches in our office and it is me who offers those under me tea or clears our bins when there full. I train the new people and I keep an eye on health and safety and Law. Why? Because That's who I am. I bring the spare ammo to an engagement I fly ahead or play tackle. and I distract the interceptors so you can get away.
So yes, It goes on my CV if anything just as an ice breaker to let me know they read it and are capable as employers to admit they do not know what it is.
=] |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:43:00 -
[58] - Quote
No.. Never it boils down to:
1. They have never heard of EVE and think you are weird or obsessed with video games (you really want to to depend on this guy to turn up on time and do the job)?
2. Worse they have heard of eve and how obsessive and backstabbing it is.. or have even play it... 'wow you play EVE cool what alliance are you in... FUFUFUFUUFUFUUFUFUFUFU you are why I quit!' whilst stabbing you with the nearest blunt instrument.
I bite my lip at the boss telling me he plays minecraft with his son.. Oh you play computer games.. how.. erm novel...
EVE is real.
Work is work.
Eve can teach you all kinds of interesting things about working with other people especially people who initially don't want to do what you want.. best to keep it to yourself. |
Bal'Ayle
The Illuminatii
5
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:31:00 -
[59] - Quote
2 hours ago, because of this topic i gave a chap a trial for a week just because he knew what EVE was. hes getting a weeks money based on his professionalism and because he thinks that EVE is like any other hobby.
in defence of the opposition I also like airsoft but as a 24yr old manager i dont tell many people particularly prospective employers that i like metal toy guns and BB bullets. so I guess the end result is this.
anything can be positive or negative depending upon the context of its arrival in a conversation. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
351
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:47:00 -
[60] - Quote
I DO!
Not just EVE, but gaming in general on my resume - I do business development and strategy. I am certain some people don't get it, but that is great because it weeds those people out and attracts those who do. It has not hurt one bit. |
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Grendel Sickswitch
75
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:12:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
http://www.images22.com/pics/04/willem-dafoe-laughing.jpg |
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
7
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:18:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kara Trix wrote:Unless you're trying to work for a Gaming company.............. NEVER DO IT..... NEVER ....
I've owned computer retail stores for over 20 years and I've hired all types of IT guys, and I would see it as a distraction to work and nothing more. If you programmed code for CCP, then put that.
Only a game dev... would see a value in your understanding game mechanics.
This. Anyone willing to pay you a salary wants to see a r+¬sum+¬ that paints a picture of your experience, capabilities and aptitude. Playing video games displays none of the qualities employers are looking for. At best it's taking up valuable real estate, at worst it's a turn off.
I hide all traces that I like video games from my social and professional life in the interest of making more money and respect. So far it's worked great.
**Volunteering for community services and supporting good charities will go much further in the interest of landing a job if you must put extra curricular activities on your CV. |
Deja Blue
Vimana VII
25
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:26:00 -
[63] - Quote
Why IBM Hires World of Warcraft Gamers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRzmg6ggtw
Why I would hire a WoW player instead of an MBA from Harvard: http://bigthink.com/videos/how-world-of-warcraft-could-save-your-business-and-the-economy-2
Admittedly...EVE is the game you want your prospective MBA employees playing, hehe.
I would do it if it fits the job and just talk about it. |
Cosmar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:47:00 -
[64] - Quote
I'm an EvE player and a game programmer and if you showed me a CV where EvE happens to be mentioned among other hobbies i would shrug and maybe think "cool, maybe we can play together sometime". But if you put it under experience and wrote more than two words about it in your CV i'd just laugh at you and throw your CV away. Playing games is fine, but if you're one of those "EvE is real" types you better have a rich grandmother or something cause no employer wants that.
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
I did put EVE not in my CV but i mentioned it when i had an interview for my new job as something you could call a job very high up in a company as a ProductManager responsible for e plethora of Products involving Psychology and Sociology.
The person i talked to is not a gamer but quickly realised that eve is not a normal game either. I could explain her in a few sentences why my hobby will be a very valuable asset to the company. Especially the understanding of how a Market works that works with a full Supply / Demand chain... Afterwards she was very interested in learning more about the economics of EvE.
People who tell you you shouldnt mention it either can't break the game down for someone who isn't a gamer (not an easy task anyway) or simply don't play the game in a way where it would benefit them in a job. As a trader / invester / production line operator on a more complex level you would be stupid not to mention what ou do. If someone doesn't understand the value in this he's not something you should work with, it's that simple.
As i'm also hiring people if someone would put it into their CV other than under Hobbies i'd clearly ask why he/she thinks this is relevant for the job. If the explanation is good its a plus, if not, it's not just like with everything else. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:43:00 -
[66] - Quote
Dyscordia wrote: This. Anyone willing to pay you a salary wants to see a r+¬sum+¬ that paints a picture of your experience, capabilities and aptitude. Playing video games displays none of the qualities employers are looking for. At best it's taking up valuable real estate, at worst it's a turn off.
I hide all traces that I like video games from my social and professional life in the interest of making more money and respect. So far it's worked great.
That is simply not true. That attitude feeds the stigma that it's worth to be hidden, i can't help you if you think "halo 3" on a CV is not different from "EVE - Managing Production Lines / Trading / Investing in a Persistent Universe with up to 50k concurrent Users at the same Time with a full Supply - Demand Chain.
It also largely depens on what kind of job you're applying to. If you want to work as a cashier in mc donalds then i agree. However, on alot of jobs where you deal with People and the Market in General this can be VERY valuable. You just have to be able to word and articulate it proper. |
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:25:00 -
[67] - Quote
I think your CV should be slightly different for every job you apply for and everything on it should have its purpose. In some cases though I don't think that it is wrong to remember that it is a two way street, you are looking for the right employer as much as they are looking for the right employee - it isn't one sided and you can filter out the employers that you don't want by using your CV.
In an earlier life I did get to pick through CV's and it was a benefit if a person seemed three dimensional in some way, staff have to get on with other staff so there is some sense in showing that you do have interests and don't return home to sleep in a coffin.
I have got an interview before largely on the strength of getting a credit on BF2142 map and various mods because I was able to use that experience as a jumping off point to show how I was able to work in a team etc. However 'I play Battlefield' would not have had the same effect. Obviously I didn't get the job because I was far too good for them, or something like that.
Now I am starting to apply as a mature, well, over thirty, computing graduate and it is challenging to know what the right thing to do is. I am studying the companies I apply for, if its a games company then you'd be an idiot not to show an interest in games on your CV but if it is financial services type of stiff upper lip professionalism is relevant then I might select responsibilities like a dog or a child. I think Eve is probably going to come up for me as I have time to kill, a book on MongoDB and hundreds of market orders that I could analyse - its not wasting time, its expanding my skill set. If I make a tool for Eve then that is part of my portfolio showcasing my talents where as 'I play Eve' is really like saying 'I type in Word' or 'I add up in Excel' - what else would you do with these products. I used product x to achieve such can be a way of killing many birds with one stone. |
Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
154
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
There seems to be quite a large amount of gamers who look on their hobby as a negative? I wonder why that is. Perhaps it's their personal behaviour that leads to a negative view on fellow gamers, being tardy and or tired at work for example.
However it IS a waste of time putting the name of the game on to the CV. As others have mentioned you can definitely list the skills and abilities that EvE online has helped you to develop - and there are great examples listed in the last four pages.
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:36:00 -
[69] - Quote
Sidrat Flush wrote:There seems to be quite a large amount of gamers who look on their hobby as a negative? I wonder why that is. Perhaps it's their personal behaviour that leads to a negative view on fellow gamers, being tardy and or tired at work for example.
I wonder exactly the same, i think we've come a LONG way and we're on the brink of getting rid of the nerd = negative stigma... but it also requires some actual efforts from gamers. I never had a problem so far but i'm also very self confident in how i lay it out to other people, i basically don't give them the chance to ridicule it.
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
445
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:45:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I did! I guess that's uh... kinda different though
Will you on the next one though ? |
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Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:10:00 -
[71] - Quote
Some might see a guy who will play EVE at work or till late night. Daily. |
RaZZZZia
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
8
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
i am involved in recruitment processes in my company and have seen my share of horribad ones, so id like to share another thought:
be very careful about what to putt under hobbies in general. as some have already mentioned, tailor it after the company youre appliying at. however, put seomthing in your cv besides plain work related facts, any decent interview has a fair bit of smalltalk in it, and interviewer and interviewee need material for that.
so if you put it in, be prepared to talk about it.
that goes for eve, that goes for any sports. no future employer wants they guy who comes late to work becuase of that 3am cta, same as noone wants to hire that extreme sports nut that will be hospitalized for 6 out of 12 months most likely.
and make something up to fill that part of the cv either, if you put in your love for xyz type of literature, and you get caught by not really knowing any of it, it shed some unfavorable light on the thruthfulness of the rest of your cv.
and finally, its always a gamble. if your application gets filed under r for recycling, its almost never only one factor. if you hit it of with the guys who will interview you, the form of your cv is pretty secondary.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
6
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:44:00 -
[73] - Quote
only read some, I would say, if you had been running something like vile rat had (RIP) and this large diplomatic network, working with people of different cultures and jobs everyday, it might be relevant depending on the job. I.e. you did diplomatic stuff in eve and were going to work for a company or gov in the diplomatic area. But I would say this could be better used as a 'mane a situation where you had to work with people you did not get along with' type of answer as oppose to something you add to your resume. Saying 'well I play a game, and I had to coordinate an event with people from 10 different countries, speaking 10 different languages, and we pulled it off without a hitch' might be an interesting point. But I would not make eve my main thing. Remember it needs to be relevant to the job. You would not make that you were a sign flipper on the side of the road the main point if you wanted an it job. |
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