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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:44:00 -
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Well, your post starts politely enough, and you say: GÇ£I don't know where to put this so i'm putting it hereGÇ¥
Then, whenever someone writes something that is not in full support of your idea, you become abrasive and rude:
GÇ£There is absolutely no need to constantly reiterate this factGÇ¥
GÇ£write it down on bog roll and use it to wipe your hole.GÇ¥
GÇ£Been said. Millennia ago.GÇ¥
GÇ£one of those people with their mystical god-like powersGÇ¥
GÇ£My Little Pony been cancelled or something?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like a dog with a boneGÇ¥
GÇ£!!!!!1111!!!!1111!!!oneone!!!11!!"GÇ¥
So, you said you didnGÇÖt know where to put it. I have now told you where to put is, along with other people. So go post it there.
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Akkar Kardashev
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:48:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Well, your post starts politely enough, and you say: GÇ£I don't know where to put this so i'm putting it hereGÇ¥
Then, whenever someone writes something that is not in full support of your idea, you become abrasive and rude:
GÇ£There is absolutely no need to constantly reiterate this factGÇ¥
GÇ£write it down on bog roll and use it to wipe your hole.GÇ¥
GÇ£Been said. Millennia ago.GÇ¥
GÇ£one of those people with their mystical god-like powersGÇ¥
GÇ£My Little Pony been cancelled or something?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like a dog with a boneGÇ¥
GÇ£!!!!!1111!!!!1111!!!oneone!!!11!!"GÇ¥
So, you said you didnGÇÖt know where to put it. I have now told you where to put is, along with other people. So go post it there.
How about no?
This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting. This is for fun. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:54:00 -
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Akkar Kardashev wrote:
How about no?
Well that would lead me to believe that you knew it didn't belong here in the first place but would prefer that it was in general discussion. Otherwise, why would you not assent to such a reasonable request?
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Akkar Kardashev
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:05:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Akkar Kardashev wrote:
How about no?
Well that would lead me to believe that you knew it didn't belong here in the first place but would prefer that it was in general discussion. Otherwise, why would you not assent to such a reasonable request?
Because i already typed it, submitted it and read the replies.
Do it all again? Because you told me to? Let me think about that one... This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting. This is for fun. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:09:00 -
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Akkar Kardashev wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Akkar Kardashev wrote:
How about no?
Well that would lead me to believe that you knew it didn't belong here in the first place but would prefer that it was in general discussion. Otherwise, why would you not assent to such a reasonable request? Because i already typed it, submitted it and read the replies. Do it all again? Because you told me to? Let me think about that one...
Because I told you to? You stated you didn't know where it went, now you know where it goes. Presumably if you want your request to be taken seriously you need to post it there, where the correct people will be able to take it into consideration. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
719
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:53:00 -
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I would not be opposed to allowing skills to AT LEAST be injected (just not trained) if there prerequisites arent trained yet.
however i would be iffy on the queueing skills with their prereqs, not that im against it, just that the "slippery slope" crowd will look for any excuse to start complaining. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8951
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Posted - 2013.12.04 04:53:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Pandora Barzane wrote:confirming that baltec never reads the message he's replying to.
Made me smile.
Reading be hard yo. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Chic Botany
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.12.04 05:57:00 -
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Learn to EVEMon
Honestly it's not difficult to plan a skill queue when you know what you want to do.
Here's a hint, always put in the skills you NEED to train at the front of the queue to meet any pre-requisites of skills further down the queue. ie you want to train Mining Barge, the first skills you train are the ones like Industry, Science, Mining, Mining Frigate, then you can move on to Astrogeology and Mining Barge - that way the pre-requisites are already trained before it's an issue.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1134
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:12:00 -
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Chic Botany wrote:Learn to EVEMon
Honestly it's not difficult to plan a skill queue when you know what you want to do.
Here's a hint, always put in the skills you NEED to train at the front of the queue to meet any pre-requisites of skills further down the queue. ie you want to train Mining Barge, the first skills you train are the ones like Industry, Science, Mining, Mining Frigate, then you can move on to Astrogeology and Mining Barge - that way the pre-requisites are already trained before it's an issue.
I need Drones V to train Drone Interfacing. I need Drone Interfacing V to train Fighters. I need Fighters V to train Fighter Bombers.
I don't need any other drone skills and am on a Willpower/Perception remap as Drone Interfacing V, Fighters V and Fighter Bombers V take a while to train.
Fighters V will finish training in 12:20h, a time when I know I will not be at home to inject the Fighter Bombers skillbook,
Teach me how to EFT.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1602
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Pandora Barzane wrote:confirming that baltec never reads the message he's replying to.
Made me smile. Reading be hard yo.
I did not say I agreed or disagreed with the comment, I said it made me smile.
Reading be hard yo? This is not a signature. |
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Jove Death
The Jovian Navy
234
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:32:00 -
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Ambassador Spock wrote:Jove Death wrote:PS I hope you have a permit for that barge when its ready. Aww, I respected you until that comment... On a side note, I too would love this feature. Though not for Mining Barge, because mining?
Soz Spock but I posted that comment before some aimless comment was thrown in by Erotica
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3364
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:48:00 -
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Let me start by mentioning how amused I am by the amount of moronic spew in this thread. Actually most threads. Must be the season of anger or something.
As to the OP. It is a good idea in theory and would certainly make the game easier for the players. The problem is that it would be a nightmare to code for the relatively small benefit it would provide.
But really, just go to sleep and let the skill run out. Then inject the one you want when you wake up. A few hours of an inactive queue is not worth having an episode over. There are a lot more important things to get wound up about than getting palpitations because your skill training is paused for a few hours.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4378
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Posted - 2013.12.04 09:27:00 -
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One simple option would be to have the training of level 1 of the skill in the queue, then the skill queue manager can (just!) fish around in the character's inventory to look for the appropriate skill book somewhere within the character's current reach (ship's hold, current station's item hangar would be the two obvious places).
of course I'm sure any CCP Dev reading this would see "fish around in the character's inventory" and have a chuckle to themselves, "like it's that simple." Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:07:00 -
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Really, I see no reason why this couldn't be done.
In Evemon, if you drop a skill you haven't got the prerequisites to into the list, it pops up an information box telling you it is also adding in those prerequisites. Likewise, if you remove a skill that is a prerequisite to another in the list, it pops up an information box saying its also removing the skills that require that skill. Can't imagine that adding this feature would be too hard.
The obvious barrier is the book system as has been mentioned before. But personally, I don't see a problem with allowing the injection of books that you can't train - it should definitely pop up a warning box informing you that you can't train this skill yet, giving you a chance to change your mind, and the skill could then appear red in the skill list, as a reminder. But in principle, being forced to leave books lying around til you've trained the skill doesn't add much to the game (it would likely reduce the amount of skillbooks being carried in cargo, and therefore ganked, but I doubt many people buy skills too far ahead of time, and if they do, they probably keep them where they buy them). |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1256
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:17:00 -
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Once there was a man who had a little too much time on his hands he never stopped to think that he was getting older. When his skillqueue came to an end He tried to grasp for his last slot and pretend That he could wish himself skills on a longer skillqueue
He said is this the return to Learning Skills? The server's is dead, the PLEX is brown and the sky has claws There's a wind-up man walking round and round What once was a login is now an endless skillqueue High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Akkar Kardashev
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:44:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Once there was a man who had a little too much time on his hands he never stopped to think that he was getting older. When his skillqueue came to an end He tried to grasp for his last slot and pretend That he could wish himself skills on a longer skillqueue
He said is this the return to Learning Skills? The server's is dead, the PLEX is brown and the sky has claws There's a wind-up man walking round and round What once was a login is now an endless skillqueue
It didn't rhyme and it was out of context.
No one asked for a longer skill queue. This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting. This is for fun. |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1256
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:46:00 -
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Akkar Kardashev wrote: It didn't rhyme and it was out of context.
No one asked for a longer skill queue.
Are you for real?
Seriously, how much crack did you just take? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Akkar Kardashev
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.12.04 10:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Akkar Kardashev wrote: It didn't rhyme and it was out of context.
No one asked for a longer skill queue.
Are you for real? Seriously, how much crack did you just take?
Not nearly enough, it appears. This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting. This is for fun. |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1256
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:04:00 -
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Akkar Kardashev wrote: Not nearly enough, it appears.
Apparently not.
If it gives you more reading comprehension, by all means take it all High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
180
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:22:00 -
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They will start on your grammar and spelling next... If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:24:00 -
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Consternation! Your poem was supposed to rhyme and not mention anything off a narrow topic and it was supposed to agree with OP! Oh, the humanities!! |
Deunan Tenephais
30
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:32:00 -
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As far as I understand things the OP want requirements to change from being the basis for injection to being the basis for training start. In absolute I'd say why not ? Seeing as a level 0 skill has not yet been learned at all, it would make sense that a skill can be pre-injected and pre-put into the skill queue, with an error message and lost training time if the requirements are not met.
But there would be other consequences, in a domino effect, in Eve there always is. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:40:00 -
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To be honest, I've run in to this myself as well. Can't inject and queue a skill because the prerequisite is the skill that's about to finish. It used to bother me, now I realize it's just a game, and missing out on 4 hours of training time isn't the end of the world. Back in the day, we didn't have a training queue at all. You had to physically change it every single time. Consider yourself lucky. :)
In all seriousness. What you did is what most people would do. Just queue something from the same attribute mapping, that's further down your skill plan. You can always inject the skill when you get up. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
180
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:42:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:As far as I understand things the OP want requirements to change from being the basis for injection to being the basis for training start. In absolute I'd say why not ? Seeing as a level 0 skill has not yet been learned at all, it would make sense that a skill can be pre-injected and pre-put into the skill queue, with an error message and lost training time if the requirements are not met.
But there would be other consequences, in a domino effect, in Eve there always is.
The issue is that having changed the skills there are people who are flying ships which do not have the requirements trained up, such as Command ship which require all the command skills to V. So the management of this would have to bear that in mind, will get messy... If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
Xavier Quo
Ashfell Celestial Corporation POD-SQUAD
68
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:51:00 -
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great idea!
also I would like the option to star or highlight skills on my list that I need to train, preferably with some kind of numbering. Not talking about adding to queue beyond 24hr, just something to help me remember what I said to myself I should queue last time I logged in |
Deunan Tenephais
30
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:01:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The issue is that having changed the skills there are people who are flying ships which do not have the requirements trained up, such as Command ship which require all the command skills to V. So the management of this would have to bear that in mind, will get messy... What do you mean ? As far as I remember all kind of gear that need a skill to use need at least the first level in this skill, having a skill injected and at the zero level does not allow someone to use the item, one need to train at least the very first level to use the thing. And in the OP idea the requirements are still there, but for training and not for injecting. |
Cela Kashuken
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:06:00 -
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Xavier Quo wrote:great idea!
also I would like the option to star or highlight skills on my list that I need to train, preferably with some kind of numbering. Not talking about adding to queue beyond 24hr, just something to help me remember what I said to myself I should queue last time I logged in
/signed to this and OP's suggestion.
A built in planner in general would be amazing instead of relying on external tools. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
316
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:45:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Chic Botany wrote:Learn to EVEMon
Honestly it's not difficult to plan a skill queue when you know what you want to do.
Here's a hint, always put in the skills you NEED to train at the front of the queue to meet any pre-requisites of skills further down the queue. ie you want to train Mining Barge, the first skills you train are the ones like Industry, Science, Mining, Mining Frigate, then you can move on to Astrogeology and Mining Barge - that way the pre-requisites are already trained before it's an issue.
I need Drones V to train Drone Interfacing. I need Drone Interfacing V to train Fighters. I need Fighters V to train Fighter Bombers. I don't need any other drone skills and am on a Willpower/Perception remap as Drone Interfacing V, Fighters V and Fighter Bombers V take a while to train. Fighters V will finish training in 12:20h, a time when I know I will not be at home to inject the Fighter Bombers skillbook, Teach me how to EFT. Sure thing: You should have left carrier V for the in-betweens. Or cloaking, or JDC V or whatever. Any of those you can train partially whenever you can't squeeze in the next skill. Then replace them when you are online again.
I have been in similar situations and was mildly annoyed that I couldn't put in a skill that I'm missing the prerequisites for, but let's be honest: There is always something useful that you haven't trained yet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17618
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:58:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:The obvious barrier is the book system as has been mentioned before. But personally, I don't see a problem with allowing the injection of books that you can't train Because we just got through the awesome change where the prerequisite test was performed on injection rather than training. This is what allowed them to do the whole tiercide and skill rebalance without screwing up what people could and could not train or fly.
The current rule is simple: if you have it injected, you can train it. It no longer matters what your other skills look like or if you've been mass-ganked back to 900k SP or if the DB forgot all numbers larger than 10 GÇö injected = trainable; checking for prereqs is a one-time thing and you've passed that test, it's done for good. If you want to be allowed to inject skills without being able to train them, they have to uproot that whole system and create something that is probably a lot less robust and elegant in its design.
GǪall that to solve the GǣproblemGǥ of people not wanting to pad their queue with a different skill while they wait for a prereq to finish. I prefer the cleanness and security of the current system over that insignificant convenience, tbh.
Quote:it would likely reduce the amount of skillbooks being carried in cargo, and therefore ganked, but I doubt many people buy skills too far ahead of time, and if they do, they probably keep them where they buy them Skill books are being carted around all the time, and reducing the reasons and opportunities to lose them is a bad thing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.12.04 13:02:00 -
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It doesnt make sense
You brains hardwiring configuration doesnt allow you to inject any skill which you do not meet the previous requirements
So this would be something non sensical to have. Doesnt fit into the lore. |
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