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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2023
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:17:00 -
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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:I think more of us need to go on SiSi to improve the scope of UAT.
Perhaps if SiSi was much easier to download. install and use, then computer idiots like my good self would be only too happy to test stuff for both the players and CCP.
Download,
Click play icon,
Use SiSi.
That would do nicely CCP. This is not a signature. |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
287
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:31:00 -
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Someone said the standings bug wasn't on SiSi. This means one of a few things:
- SiSi is not being used to test the Final release candidate and code made it to production without being tested (CCP say this isn't the case) - SiSi did have the latest code, but was missing other changes. (Database batch job? Too long since last mirror? Something not-code) - Despite both environments being functionally identical, the bug only occurred on production
Either way, given the high profile nature of the bug, it suggests a glaring gap in testing somewhere that needs plugging. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
32
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:17:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:seth Hendar wrote:go look at the threads about ESS, unified inventory, odyssey exploration, jump animation, the various ship rebalance (interceptor for example), both in F&I and SISI feedback.
and i'm just naming a few, they have all one thing in common, they do contain feedback / proposal from player and / or legitimate arguments explaining, with details, WHY the current iteration is not good or why the idea is bad, yet, they were ALL ignored by CCP. plain and simple
let's take for example the jump animation.
during the devellopment, some dev warned about the fact that the animation was causing motion sickness inducing deeziness and headaches.
they ignored it, pushed to SISI
while on SISI, players made the very same feedback, and were ignored
it then reached TQ, and is still there, from day 1, a topic in general discussion was created, with many post asking that, at least, CCP add an option to turn off the animation, for the vary same reasons, yet to this day, the only answer CCP gave is more or less HTFU.
and this is the same thing everytime, so yeah, sure, it is the right solution to actually post constructive feedback..... Then vote with your wallet man! Biomass, unsub, and never look back. Let these guys at CCP know that you will not be ignored and you mean serious business or, you know, keep brow beating in GD. Hell if they ignore you in the places that they're looking for feedback what in the hell makes you think they're not ignoring you here? actually 3 of my 4 accounts have ended sub since odyssey release(3rd last week), this one ends in april.....
In subbing means nothing to ccp as they have said the are at a place where it's ok to lose players/subs |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4362
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:45:00 -
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*sigh* - to be in a real team doing real software development must be nice.
How about we make it easier to access the test server? I now that to access the test server, there are various steps that must be performed, but as usual, this is a lot of work for people. But the procedure appears solid, so why not automate it on the client side and then let the Launcher show a button or option for "enter test server". I think more players will go into the test server this way, especially when they are on the fence about a certain PVP fitting or have a new ship they never flown before.
The more people using the test server, the better. I would even wonder if there were special out-of-character live events in the test server, more then just "stress tests", centered on new features it might draw more people into testing it - at the click of a button - and get more feedback.
Just an idea. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:49:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:*sigh* - to be in a real team doing real software development must be nice.
How about we make it easier to access the test server? I now that to access the test server, there are various steps that must be performed, but as usual, this is a lot of work for people. But the procedure appears solid, so why not automate it on the client side and then let the Launcher show a button or option for "enter test server". I think more players will go into the test server this way, especially when they are on the fence about a certain PVP fitting or have a new ship they never flown before.
The more people using the test server, the better. I would even wonder if there were special out-of-character live events in the test server, more then just "stress tests", centered on new features it might draw more people into testing it - at the click of a button - and get more feedback.
Just an idea.
This would help. |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
359
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:30:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:we use highly trained and experienced outsourcers to handle our regression testing
I can exclusively reveal the extensive outsourced testing process required for all Eve patches to be approved:
1) Open the game client and check that the patch applies properly, at the Laundromat Cafe
2) Login to the game and ensure, the character selection screen works, at Enski barinn
3) Undock from the station and warp a nearby celestial, at +ìslenski barinn
4) Warp and jump through the nearest gate. While you wait for the jump animation, walk to N+ªsti
5) In the next shystem, find the nearesht ashteroid belt and shoot some rats, at Celtic Cross
6) Doubble-check the usher interfashe for any problkems, at B5
7) Be sssure to rite a full and detailed bug report of any shignificant isssues, at Nonni's |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:05:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Devblog - As the current facilitator of CCP Reykjavik's Agile Community of Practice, I tabled that we write exactly such a devblog not a month ago!
I just thought I'd step in to point out that this is one of those international communication issues you want to be careful about - the use of expressions that hold different meanings across borders. In the American vernacular, to "table" something is to set it aside to be addressed at a later date, rather than to make it the current topic of discussion. In fact, there is a classic story of a diplomatic conference in which British and American delegates argued for quite some time about whether to "table" a particular topic, and it was eventually discovered that they both wanted the same thing!
My point being that to an American, your statement reads as though you are claiming responsibility for intentionally delaying or avoiding such a devblog, which is probably not the impression you intended to make! |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
951
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:27:00 -
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Does this mean we'll get an announcement when it's safe to use DX 11 again? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
2013
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:29:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Devblog - As the current facilitator of CCP Reykjavik's Agile Community of Practice, I tabled that we write exactly such a devblog not a month ago! I just thought I'd step in to point out that this is one of those international communication issues you want to be careful about - the use of expressions that hold different meanings across borders. In the American vernacular, to "table" something is to set it aside to be addressed at a later date, rather than to make it the current topic of discussion. In fact, there is a classic story of a diplomatic conference in which British and American delegates argued for quite some time about whether to "table" a particular topic, and it was eventually discovered that they both wanted the same thing! My point being that to an American, your statement reads as though you are claiming responsibility for intentionally delaying or avoiding such a devblog, which is probably not the impression you intended to make! I had not clue what he was saying either, I thought we had *proposed* to write such a devblog
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
25
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Posted - 2014.02.21 20:53:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Devblog - As the current facilitator of CCP Reykjavik's Agile Community of Practice, I tabled that we write exactly such a devblog not a month ago! I just thought I'd step in to point out that this is one of those international communication issues you want to be careful about - the use of expressions that hold different meanings across borders. In the American vernacular, to "table" something is to set it aside to be addressed at a later date, rather than to make it the current topic of discussion. In fact, there is a classic story of a diplomatic conference in which British and American delegates argued for quite some time about whether to "table" a particular topic, and it was eventually discovered that they both wanted the same thing! My point being that to an American, your statement reads as though you are claiming responsibility for intentionally delaying or avoiding such a devblog, which is probably not the impression you intended to make! I had not clue what he was saying either, I thought we had *proposed* to write such a devblog
I guess Americans have to be more global then? :P |
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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:08:00 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Devblog - As the current facilitator of CCP Reykjavik's Agile Community of Practice, I tabled that we write exactly such a devblog not a month ago! I just thought I'd step in to point out that this is one of those international communication issues you want to be careful about - the use of expressions that hold different meanings across borders. In the American vernacular, to "table" something is to set it aside to be addressed at a later date, rather than to make it the current topic of discussion. In fact, there is a classic story of a diplomatic conference in which British and American delegates argued for quite some time about whether to "table" a particular topic, and it was eventually discovered that they both wanted the same thing! My point being that to an American, your statement reads as though you are claiming responsibility for intentionally delaying or avoiding such a devblog, which is probably not the impression you intended to make! I had not clue what he was saying either, I thought we had *proposed* to write such a devblog I guess Americans have to be more global then? :P
"Being more global" would be to say exactly what you mean in the plainest language possible. it doesn't matter which nationality is doing the talking or the listening, as long as you are using figures of speech in an international discussion there will be misunderstandings. Every culture has these little phrases that they use as part of daily communication without giving it a second thought. It takes a bit of effort to realize that words you commonly use can have a drastically different meaning, and it takes a lot of practice to get out of the habit of using them in such situations. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2011
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Posted - 2014.02.24 12:47:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Devblog - As the current facilitator of CCP Reykjavik's Agile Community of Practice, I tabled that we write exactly such a devblog not a month ago! I just thought I'd step in to point out that this is one of those international communication issues you want to be careful about - the use of expressions that hold different meanings across borders. In the American vernacular, to "table" something is to set it aside to be addressed at a later date, rather than to make it the current topic of discussion. In fact, there is a classic story of a diplomatic conference in which British and American delegates argued for quite some time about whether to "table" a particular topic, and it was eventually discovered that they both wanted the same thing! My point being that to an American, your statement reads as though you are claiming responsibility for intentionally delaying or avoiding such a devblog, which is probably not the impression you intended to make! I had not clue what he was saying either, I thought we had *proposed* to write such a devblog I guess Americans have to be more global then? :P "Being more global" would be to say exactly what you mean in the plainest language possible. it doesn't matter which nationality is doing the talking or the listening, as long as you are using figures of speech in an international discussion there will be misunderstandings. Every culture has these little phrases that they use as part of daily communication without giving it a second thought. It takes a bit of effort to realize that words you commonly use can have a drastically different meaning, and it takes a lot of practice to get out of the habit of using them in such situations.
That's very interesting! As a Brit, table means "to present formally for discussion at a meeting", so yes - you're quite right that I was not intending the American definition of the word! Thanks for bringing this up and I'm glad we could clarify it CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
457
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Posted - 2014.02.24 14:28:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:
I guess Americans have to be more global then? :P
"Being more global" would be to say exactly what you mean in the plainest language possible. it doesn't matter which nationality is doing the talking or the listening, as long as you are using figures of speech in an international discussion there will be misunderstandings. Every culture has these little phrases that they use as part of daily communication without giving it a second thought. It takes a bit of effort to realize that words you commonly use can have a drastically different meaning, and it takes a lot of practice to get out of the habit of using them in such situations. That's very interesting! As a Brit, table means "to present formally for discussion at a meeting", so yes - you're quite right that I was not intending the American definition of the word! Thanks for bringing this up and I'm glad we could clarify it
Yep, and the Brit understanding of the idiom makes much more sense given that it links into many other idioms: "What do you bring to the table?" (e.g. What do you contribute to the group) "Let's put our cards on the table. " (e.g. Let's reveal our hidden motivations)
In the American version of this idiom, where are these "tabled" discussions being sent? Is there a naughty table in the corner? |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1003
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:23:00 -
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Lallante wrote:
Yep, and the Brit understanding of the idiom makes much more sense given that it links into many other idioms: "What do you bring to the table?" (e.g. What do you contribute to the group) "Let's put our cards on the table. " (e.g. Let's reveal our hidden motivations)
In the American version of this idiom, where are these "tabled" discussions being sent? Is there a naughty table in the corner?
I was just about to agree when I realised that the Swedish term 'bordl+ñgga' (as in lay on the table) has the same meaning as the American one. To postpone a decision for one reason or another.
I guess that it means to have an issue at hand and put it back on the table.
Or to push it back on the stack to use CS nerd lingo ;) CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Circumstantial Evidence
106
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:10:00 -
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Just to add to the confusion, I hear the phrase "Cyno Down" used interchangeably, when a new cyno field appears... or disappears. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Psychosomatic.
51
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:24:00 -
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Can some one explain to me why this kind of thing always comes with "we players"? Cos I dont mind people giving their opinion, but I feel I'm being used against my will.
After that, plz tell CCP. I apparently can't do so myself. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
183
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:52:00 -
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Lallante wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:
I guess Americans have to be more global then? :P
"Being more global" would be to say exactly what you mean in the plainest language possible. it doesn't matter which nationality is doing the talking or the listening, as long as you are using figures of speech in an international discussion there will be misunderstandings. Every culture has these little phrases that they use as part of daily communication without giving it a second thought. It takes a bit of effort to realize that words you commonly use can have a drastically different meaning, and it takes a lot of practice to get out of the habit of using them in such situations. That's very interesting! As a Brit, table means "to present formally for discussion at a meeting", so yes - you're quite right that I was not intending the American definition of the word! Thanks for bringing this up and I'm glad we could clarify it Yep, and the Brit understanding of the idiom makes much more sense given that it links into many other idioms: "What do you bring to the table?" (e.g. What do you contribute to the group) "Let's put our cards on the table. " (e.g. Let's reveal our hidden motivations) In the American version of this idiom, where are these "tabled" discussions being sent? Is there a naughty table in the corner?
My guess is it's like when you read a book and get to a point where you have to stop, you set the book down on the table till you can read it later. But yea in the US 'table something' means to set it aside and deal with it later. "Lets table that for now" i.e. lets set it down and look at it later. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
27
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:08:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Lallante wrote:
Yep, and the Brit understanding of the idiom makes much more sense given that it links into many other idioms: "What do you bring to the table?" (e.g. What do you contribute to the group) "Let's put our cards on the table. " (e.g. Let's reveal our hidden motivations)
In the American version of this idiom, where are these "tabled" discussions being sent? Is there a naughty table in the corner?
I was just about to agree when I realised that the Swedish term 'bordl+ñgga' (as in lay on the table) has the same meaning as the American one. To postpone a decision for one reason or another. I guess that it means to have an issue at hand and put it back on the table. Or to push it back on the stack to use CS nerd lingo ;)
Actually that could be where the american version comes from, considering huge parts of america have lots of Scandinavian ancestries. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Scope Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:37:00 -
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Dior Rellik wrote:How about all you arrogant players give me a list of games with out bugs or never have bugs after an update? Its impossible to guarantee a bug free release even if you tested an update successfully on another server prior to the live server release.
Get a grip guys.
This, seriously. Software quality is always at odds with release dates. In a game I'd much rather see the company have a bug or two in various releases than spend years in between each iteration. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
430
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:00:00 -
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If CCP actually did what the OP suggests, patch cycles would be measured in years. And I use the plural here for the sake of simplicity. If CCP actually did what the OP suggests, the game would die, because players wouldn't wait around for that long.
No computer program is perfect. No computer program will ever be perfect. Particularly ones as large and complex as an MMO. And to the people commenting that there are a lot of software developers that play eve. That doesn't mean they can talk with any authority. Even if they're experts in the programming language EVE runs on, it still means f*ck all if they don't actually work on EVE.
Accept that there will always be bugs. Accept the fact that whining about them does not get them fixed faster, nor does it prevent new ones from cropping up. No amount of testing will ever change that. |
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.03.05 06:41:00 -
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Cheekabu Talvanen wrote:Hope you guys redo sovereignty or something. powerblocs rule the game and would be nice to let other people in 0.0 without some powerbloc pissing all over you in some sov system they dont even use.
Dont even open up more space cause thats just going to get taken by powerblocs and still no room for the little guys.
Power blocs are the reality factor. Small fry got be content to eat 'scrap'...or go pirate!
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:12:00 -
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Cheekabu Talvanen wrote:Hope you guys redo sovereignty or something. powerblocs rule the game and would be nice to let other people in 0.0 without some powerbloc pissing all over you in some sov system they dont even use.
Dont even open up more space cause thats just going to get taken by powerblocs and still no room for the little guys.
If CCP wanted to be more realistic and solve the overpopulation of high sec...well they would start having Empire NPC corps squeezing tenant player corp in high sec much harder. NPC corps in Empire space have sovereignty but are NOT exerting their rights.
Frankly realism says any player corp not paying 23-50% of ore and loot as tax to NPC corps/alliance(Empire faction) owning that particular should be getting marked like NPC pirates!!! (Market taxes are totally different.) . Add this in with scaling according to system security (+3% for every .1 increase over 0.1) and CCP would actually push significantly more players into null or wh space. Heh give players some slack (30 days) to pay taxes and then opportunities for a rare windfall profit...and I can see some emergency PLEX buys with RL cash or some very hasty moves to wh or null space...or some "taxes overdue" criminal bounties status. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4945
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:27:00 -
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I would like to know how far some poor developer got with developing "light client" regression tests of POSes before "people" decided that fixing POSes wasn't going to happen and that the New Deal was to scrap POSes and intro due a new player-owned structures mechanic.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2033
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:29:00 -
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Udonor wrote:Cheekabu Talvanen wrote:Hope you guys redo sovereignty or something. powerblocs rule the game and would be nice to let other people in 0.0 without some powerbloc pissing all over you in some sov system they dont even use.
Dont even open up more space cause thats just going to get taken by powerblocs and still no room for the little guys. If CCP wanted to be more realistic and solve the overpopulation of high sec...well they would start having Empire NPC corps squeezing tenant player corp in high sec much harder. NPC corps in Empire space have sovereignty but are NOT exerting their rights. Frankly realism says any player corp not paying 23-50% of ore and loot as tax to NPC corps/alliance(Empire faction) owning that particular system should be getting marked like NPC pirates!!! (Market taxes are totally different.) . Add this in with scaling according to system security (+3% for every .1 increase over 0.1) and CCP would actually push significantly more players into null or wh space. Heh give players some slack (30 days) to pay taxes and then opportunities for a rare windfall profit...and I can see some emergency PLEX buys with RL cash or some very hasty moves to wh or null space...or some "taxes overdue" criminal bounties status.
Why do you think hi-sec is overpopulated?
Whenever it is pointed out to the denizens of lo and null-sec that hi-sec works, using the 'high' population figures as evidence of this, they immediately refute the figures and make wonderful claims about the population density of lo and null.
I have no dog in this fight, my interest is that the game is well populated, where in the game folk choose to spend their time is irrelevant. This is not a signature. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4945
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:32:00 -
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As for anyone who thinks that the standings issue is a major bug worthy of holding back a release, I'd like to point you in the direction of the Mac client, circa 2007-2009. What a steaming pile of crap that was. CCP & Transgaming worked to make it better very quickly, but it was so deep in the "stinking pile of crap" end of the spectrum of software quality that it took them two and a bit years to get it to the point that a Mac user could actually stay online for an entire evening of gameplay.
So you null bears can go whine about standings to someone who actually cares (which won't be your diplomats since they're often resetting standings just for the giggles).
There will always be surprises. EVE is a huge, complex piece of software with no legacy of test driven development. I suspect there are just enough tests in place to make sure that any particular feature change isn't going to cause any problems that CCP have seen happen in the past. The devs are no doubt adding tests as they fix old bugs or introduce new features, but there will always be surprises.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Zappity
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
831
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:40:00 -
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What an interesting thread this turned out to be. CCP is clearly trying to turn the tables on us. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2654
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Posted - 2014.03.05 08:37:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:As for anyone who thinks that the standings issue is a major bug worthy of holding back a release, I'd like to point you in the direction of the Mac client, circa 2007-2009. What a steaming pile of crap that was. CCP & Transgaming worked to make it better very quickly, but it was so deep in the "stinking pile of crap" end of the spectrum of software quality that it took them two and a bit years to get it to the point that a Mac user could actually stay online for an entire evening of gameplay.
So you null bears can go whine about standings to someone who actually cares (which won't be your diplomats since they're often resetting standings just for the giggles).
There will always be surprises. EVE is a huge, complex piece of software with no legacy of test driven development. I suspect there are just enough tests in place to make sure that any particular feature change isn't going to cause any problems that CCP have seen happen in the past. The devs are no doubt adding tests as they fix old bugs or introduce new features, but there will always be surprises.
If you disagree that legacy software always has surprises in store for maintenance programmers, you're not really a software engineer and you should be ashamed of claiming to be one in public. In the meantime, go read "Working Effectively With Legacy Code" by Michael C Feathers, or "Refactoring" by Martin Fowler.
I read through every single post of this thread, and I have decided that CCP needs to start hiring everyone who complains and claims to be a software engineer, and puts them to work to see if they can do it better. If they decline the job, or can't do a better one, then they are publicly discredited on the forums, right here where they first complained.
And if they actually succeed in doing a better job, CCP offers a formal apology and offers the complainer a permanent post. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4946
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Posted - 2014.03.05 09:00:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I read through every single post of this thread, and I have decided that CCP needs to start hiring everyone who complains and claims to be a software engineer, and puts them to work to see if they can do it better. If they decline the job, or can't do a better one, then they are publicly discredited on the forums, right here where they first complained.
And if they actually succeed in doing a better job, CCP offers a formal apology and offers the complainer a permanent post.
Heh GǪ the number of people who've built a web store using PHP & MySQL and claim to be "software engineers" or "developers" GǪ
*shakes head sadly*
*continues patching the remaining 200 of 1000 SQL Injection vulnerabilities in the PHP/MySQL web app*
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
60
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Posted - 2014.03.05 09:16:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Jessica Danikov wrote:
C) Test, test, test. Mirror Tranquillity regularly and deploy the entire final release there (in the software industry, we call this a release candidate). Have a mass test to get people playing around with it. Most of the bugs your players ***** about on day 0 of your new release would be caught on Singularity fairly quickly. Once caught, fix those bugs, roll a new release candidate, mirror Tranquility, mass test again. Keep doing this until it's ready.
D) In-house testers. One of the greatest false economies in the software industry is not to have in-house testers. They're relatively cheap compared to your experienced employees and free up whoever is doing your testing to actually spend their time doing whatever it is they're paid to be doing- testing isn't worth their time until a problem has definitive reproduction steps. QA leads can also keep their eyes peeled for the 1/100 talent that ends up in your tester pool. ... Again, I don't know how much of this stuff you do, or how well you do it, but obviously there's room for improvement. Maybe a Devblog giving an insight to your development process is long overdue?
Since you took the time to write this, I will give you as frank a response as possible on the subjects that are under my control. C - We were on Singularity from the 6th January with this release. Familiar as I am with the term release candidate, being in the software industry myself, I can tell you it was deployed on Monday morning to Sisi, as is par for the course with our deployments. This might seem crazily short to you, but our development method allows us to work right up until then because we do not hamper teams with code/feature freezes and have mature teams which practice 'Whole Team Quality' (more on this later) giving them the responsibility and accountability over the quality of the features they ship. This is a process I have seen evolve in my 2.5 years here to really empower teams, and it is one that I think works well. Further than this though, we deploy daily updates to Singularity to ensure users have the latest stable build available. Combine this with the internal QA coming from the teams, and our outsourcers running a full regression suite every 2 weeks, and you're looking at a pretty robust testing process. D - I assume on this you are referring to a test house of entry level "testers" working for minimum wage with a 50-90% bimonthly churn. This is firstly unfeasible in Iceland, as the pool of potential employees does not cover the churn that these outfits have. Instead of throwing a large amount of un/semi skilled workers at the problem, we use highly trained and experienced outsourcers to handle our regression testing, and assist with processing bug reports, providing focused testing at team request, and performing targeted exploratory testing (the most valuable type of testing, for me). Our current outsourcing partner has been with us for 3 years now, and I travel to them each year to ensure their methods and practices are keeping to the high standard established. We also have a proven conduit of taking talent from them directly into our own workforce. CCPers who have taken this route include Legion, Sledgehammer, Lebowski, Antiquarian, and even my good self! Devblog - As the current facilitator of CCP Reykjavik's Agile Community of Practice, I tabled that we write exactly such a devblog not a month ago! We do need to get started (I actually wrote part of it around a year ago, but it got tabled at the time) but there is a plan in place and many keen contributors.
or maybe your last 3 expansions were total **** and people are pissed at broken promises ... fixing **** that is not broken and ******** mobile structures nobody really gives a **** about
Not to mention horrible code issues. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
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I would rather CCP released expansions which are well thought out and fully tested say every nine months, as I believe that the current six month cycle is simply too much for CCP to cope with. This is not a signature. |
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