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Saul Elsyn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:58:00 -
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Using this the New Eden Crew Guidelines I decided to try and get an estimate to the actual human cost of the largest scale capsuleer battle to date. For the number of crewman aboard ships lost I did an average of the Minimum Crew (Capsuleer) and Max Capacity value for each ship, then multiplied them by the number of ships of that overall type destroyed.
The numbers that come out are truly astronomical.
75 Titans Average Crew - 56,000 Average Survival Rate - ~50% (Widely varies between 20% to 80%) Probable casualties - 2,100,000 crew
13 Supercarriers Average Crew - 18,175 Average Survival Rate - 50% Probable Casualties - 118,000 crew
370 Dreadnaughts Average Crew - 9,025 Average Survival Rate - 22.5% Probable Casualties - 2,588,000 crew
123 Carriers Average Crew - 7,265 Average Survival Rate - 45% Probable Casualties - 491,000 crew
3,139 Sub-capitals Average Crew - 3,475 (assuming most were battleships) Average Survival Rate - 37.5% (assuming most were battleships) Probable Casualties - 6,935,000 crew
Total Probable Casualties - 12,222,000 crew KIA
I know that number is probably high as there were sub-capitals besides fleet battleships involved in the action, and no doubt there were ships that were under crewed involved, but even if that number is 10 times higher then the actual casualty figures... over 1.2 million capsuleer crewman died monday. Nothing on Earth's history even comes close to that scale of death and destruction in a single battle. |
Tiberius V
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:21:00 -
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Isnt each Eve ship just managed by one person? The capsuleer itself?
If not I have to start buying some food and on board entertainment :S |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
8786
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:26:00 -
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Saul Elsyn wrote:even if that number is 10 times higher then the actual casualty figures... over 1.2 million capsuleer crewman died monday. Nothing on Earth's history even comes close to that scale of death and destruction in a single battle.
Battle of Baghdad - Mongol Conquests: 2.1m+ dead Siege of Leningrad - WW2: 1.1-4.5m dead Battle of Berlin - WW2: 1.3m dead Battle of Stalingrad - WW2: 1.2-1.8m dead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_by_casualties "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:10:00 -
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Tiberius V wrote:Isnt each Eve ship just managed by one person? The capsuleer itself?
If not I have to start buying some food and on board entertainment :S
The capsule allows one person to be the captain, first officer, helmsman, gunnery officer, navigator, etc - basically the whole command staff - all by themselves.
This drastically reduces the crew requirement of the ship, but doesn't eliminate the need for engineers, technicians, and their support staff. You fly the ship - you don't kick the ammo-loader when it jams because you're stuck in that pod. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dys Novus
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:16:00 -
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"75 Titans Average Crew - 56,000 Average Survival Rate - ~50% (Widely varies between 20% to 80%) Probable casualties - 2,100,000 crew"
On this:
The variance in survival rates is directly linked to how the ship dies, with the lower (20%) survival rate being if a ship is alpha'd off the field via OpFor Titan doomsdays with no warning. As this was the main cause of death for many of the Titans lost, the casualty totals with the listed average crews would be closer to 3,000,000+.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
265
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:23:00 -
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Saul Elsyn wrote: 75 Titans Average Crew - 56,000 Average Survival Rate - ~50% (Widely varies between 20% to 80%) Probable casualties - 2,100,000 crew
13 Supercarriers Average Crew - 18,175 Average Survival Rate - 50% Probable Casualties - 118,000 crew
370 Dreadnaughts Average Crew - 9,025 Average Survival Rate - 22.5% Probable Casualties - 2,588,000 crew
123 Carriers Average Crew - 7,265 Average Survival Rate - 45% Probable Casualties - 491,000 crew
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20 GÇô 80%*
"* Most often, a Titan is nuked by other Titans and their doomsdays, meaning they go down fast with little chance of survival. However, in virtually any other case, survival rates are very high" id say you were being rather conservative with your survival rates there, given the ammount of doomsday devices that went off. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:53:00 -
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Dys Novus wrote:"75 Titans Average Crew - 56,000 Average Survival Rate - ~50% (Widely varies between 20% to 80%) Probable casualties - 2,100,000 crew"
On this:
The variance in survival rates is directly linked to how the ship dies, with the lower (20%) survival rate being if a ship is alpha'd off the field via OpFor Titan doomsdays with no warning. As this was the main cause of death for many of the Titans lost, the casualty totals with the listed average crews would be closer to 3,000,000+.
Incidentally, with the estimated total ISK value destroyed at B-R being 11 trillion ISK, that figure would mean that each crewman's life was worth about 3.5 million ISK. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
265
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:22:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:
crewman's life was worth .
HA!!! If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Saul Elsyn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
131
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:32:00 -
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3.5 million isk for a crewman? That's a laugh.
Keep in mind that casualty count includes civilian losses... If you remove that, nothing comes close. Especially if you just look at naval engagements where at most there are around 300,000 people participating. |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9014
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Posted - 2014.01.30 21:10:00 -
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just because they're civilians doesn't make them any less dead as a direct result of a battle "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
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Atrol Nalelmir
Wombat Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.11 10:47:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: each crewman's life was worth about 3.5 million ISK.
This is why the Amarr have slaves it cuts costs dramatically. don't need to pay them and if we need more crew just get some more off a Minmatar planat. |
Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
406
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:16:00 -
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Kryptik Kai wrote:Saul Elsyn wrote:even if that number is 10 times higher then the actual casualty figures... over 1.2 million capsuleer crewman died monday. Nothing on Earth's history even comes close to that scale of death and destruction in a single battle. Battle of Baghdad - Mongol Conquests: 2.1m+ dead Siege of Leningrad - WW2: 1.1-4.5m dead Battle of Berlin - WW2: 1.3m dead Battle of Stalingrad - WW2: 1.2-1.8m dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_by_casualties
These universally represent exended sieges, taking place over weeks if not months. B-R5RB took place in less than 24 hours. |
Lucien Marbot
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:59:00 -
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24 hour battle of this scale is amazing. It's one draw of EVE Online. Only wish I could have been a participant. It is the biggest most expensive battle to date, but it is a record that will be surpassed by capsuleers in the future. This game is growing! Death is nothing more then the searing pain of rebirth. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
240
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:39:00 -
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Kryptik Kai wrote:Saul Elsyn wrote:even if that number is 10 times higher then the actual casualty figures... over 1.2 million capsuleer crewman died monday. Nothing on Earth's history even comes close to that scale of death and destruction in a single battle. Battle of Baghdad - Mongol Conquests: 2.1m+ dead Siege of Leningrad - WW2: 1.1-4.5m dead Battle of Berlin - WW2: 1.3m dead Battle of Stalingrad - WW2: 1.2-1.8m dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_by_casualties Also dont forget, most of those battles took days to weeks and even months in the case of leningrad. All these space deaths occurred in one day. And if you do the math with tidi it could turn out to have only been a couple hours or so. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
240
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:41:00 -
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Tiberius V wrote:Isnt each Eve ship just managed by one person? The capsuleer itself?
If not I have to start buying some food and on board entertainment :S Each ship is piloted by a capsuleer but there is still a crew. A much smaller crew but still a crew. Look up the ship descriptions in evelopedia and it gives some details (interceptors may be only ships without crew). |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
109
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:01:00 -
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I would like to add that the vast majority of capital kills and Titan kills were to coordinated doomsdays, that the/both grids were being bombed nearly constantly and officer smart bombs were going off every fraction of a second. Your numbers are very conservative, especially considering the bling and pimp of the fittings and the subsequent rise in crew requirements.
Additionally, though I cannot speak for N3, PL 'crews' went down with their ships almost ubiquitously.
the only way out was when Waffles would find a Titan they could free from the bubbles, we would convo them and tell them we were going to bomb the bubbles off them and to prepare to jump. Far more chose to stay than to go. Many Titans were on field so long, they were actually running out of fuel.
"I sat up till an hour before downtime holding the hands of the 70 odd terminal patients until each one slipped off into the dark. Waffles were great in that they kept trying to do bomb runs to free as many as they could for as long as they could, a few got the cure for cancer, the rest we kept company with jokes and stories until the inevitable "Uh oh, yellowboxed", and then silence." -Grath
Your numbers are conservative.
B-R was far too real. -áFear The Tribes |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2179
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Posted - 2014.03.04 03:41:00 -
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IIRC, the most common subcapital ship class lost was Interdictors, which presumably have crews of similar sizes to tech 1 destroyers. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:29:00 -
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That was a monster freakin fight. Too bad I missed it. I was on hiatus during that, not returning to eve until recently. With my old toon I've been in some sizable fights, but none even close to that.
I don't know how much the losses would have been, but even a conservative figure like the OP gave is unimaginable in a 24 hour period. Carpet Bomb Hong Kong with nukes and you might get such figures in human loss. Either way, when I saw the dollar cost of the fight, I was proud to show that off LOL. Only in Eve could that happen!
Anyone have first hand accounts of the fight itself? Might be fun to get blow by blow from those that fought it. NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
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