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Harland White
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:44:00 -
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troll troll troll
irrelevant, obnoxious post
unmerited insult
i'm better than you
i know more than you
i think i'm witty and edgy
**** YOU for asking a question or creating a thread on these forums, **** YOU
i'm a miserable, pathetic, powerless kid in real life, i use this game and these forums to pretend like i'm cool somehow
/eveforums By their fruit you will recognize them. |
Qweasdy
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.02.23 13:15:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:Look at it the brigth way, it has the highest survival rate of all dreadnoughts. Probably because nobody targets it.... heared rumours that titans can speed-tank a Phoenix Dreadnought, albeit it sounds a bit exaggerated.
Actually, it's not exaggerated, anything that moves faster than about 50m/s can speedtank a phoenix. yes, that means even freighters can SPEEDtank a phoenix in siege.
Not neccesarily anything over 50m/s, the missile damage formula is a bit smarter than that, it takes into account the size of the target it's shooting at too, yes a freighter can speed tank a phoenix:
I implemented the formula in python (cause I'm too lazy to do maths :D) and with max skills a phoenix shooting at an obelisk will apply 71% of it's damage.
Anyone who says, however, that a super can speed tank a phoenix is wrong, the sig radius of a super is just far too big for it to be able to speed tank anything, in fact an avatar would have to be doing well over 300 m/s to even begin to speed tank a phoenix firing citadel torps.
TLDR, phoenix sucks, just not quite as bad as some people think This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Psychosomatic.
51
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Posted - 2014.02.23 13:24:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:Yarda Black wrote:I have a Phoenix. I get mocked when I show up in it. I'm currently selling it. I mean; trying to.
I went Phoenix cos my first character was Caldari and the alliance I was with was supplying its rank and file with dreads.
I think "The Brick" looks great, I love the capstability and its tank isnt that bad either. But like others pointed out; unless I find a stationary object I'm just out there for my looks.
So yeah; a bit of tweaks to make me feel more than just an escort would be great. I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking, what was your regular amount of damage inflicted per missile against other capitals? And what were the circumstances (the missile type used, modules you were using, your relevant skill levels, the target, its speed, resistances (if known)). Thanks
To be fair; I dont really know. Unless I'm trying to gank somebody I only get a general idea about those kinds of numbers. Big or low number for damage etc. What I experienced was:
- POS, IHUB, TCU etc; siege and get to work - Moving stuff (as in not sieged dreads or titans) - keep it docked and bring a carrier
So I cant really support my lack of enthusiams for the Phoenix on exact numbers. Sorry about that. Maybge some other Phoenix guy did those maths tho. I'd be interested as well. Next thing you know there is a trick to make em work after all! |
Claud Tiberius
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.23 13:33:00 -
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You should do a friendly dual with another capital. Best way to test out ships imo |
Qweasdy
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.23 13:42:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Yarda Black wrote:I have a Phoenix. I get mocked when I show up in it. I'm currently selling it. I mean; trying to.
I went Phoenix cos my first character was Caldari and the alliance I was with was supplying its rank and file with dreads.
I think "The Brick" looks great, I love the capstability and its tank isnt that bad either. But like others pointed out; unless I find a stationary object I'm just out there for my looks.
So yeah; a bit of tweaks to make me feel more than just an escort would be great. I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking, what was your regular amount of damage inflicted per missile against other capitals? And what were the circumstances (the missile type used, modules you were using, your relevant skill levels, the target, its speed, resistances (if known)). Thanks To be fair; I dont really know. Unless I'm trying to gank somebody I only get a general idea about those kinds of numbers. Big or low number for damage etc. What I experienced was: - POS, IHUB, TCU etc; siege and get to work - Moving stuff (as in not sieged dreads or titans) - keep it docked and bring a carrier So I cant really support my lack of enthusiams for the Phoenix on exact numbers. Sorry about that. Maybge some other Phoenix guy did those maths tho. I'd be interested as well. Next thing you know there is a trick to make em work after all!
While I've not actually flown a phoenix it should do around 15-25k (depending on resists) damage to a slowcat fit carrier with around 25% damage lost to speed tanking.
This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon
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Mixu Paatelainen
Brutal Deluxe.
81
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Posted - 2014.02.23 14:05:00 -
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/head explodes |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
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Posted - 2014.02.23 14:29:00 -
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Oh goody, I've been waiting for this thread to appear again just so I could pull this out. Final blow is by a Phoenix, which did roughly the same amount of damage as most of the other dreads on the field. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Qweasdy
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.02.23 14:54:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Oh goody, I've been waiting for this thread to appear again just so I could pull this out. Final blow is by a Phoenix, which did roughly the same amount of damage as most of the other dreads on the field.
Well there's some hard proof that supers can't actually speed tank a phoenix. This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2798
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Posted - 2014.02.23 16:22:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:Give it bonuses and hardpoints for hybrids. There, fixed. Except it will get optimal range bonuses instead of damage bonuses like all the other crappy Caldari ships.
Oh god. |
ashley Eoner
280
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:06:00 -
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Qweasdy wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Oh goody, I've been waiting for this thread to appear again just so I could pull this out. Final blow is by a Phoenix, which did roughly the same amount of damage as most of the other dreads on the field. Well there's some hard proof that supers can't actually speed tank a phoenix. Was it moving? Was the pheonix shooting for an hour before the rest? Was teh moons aligned? |
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unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful
I have to ask, I always wonder what is CPP's plan about this dreadnought?
I want to train for it, however constant negative about it make me to put it on hold until I hear any news about rebalance for it |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10177
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:37:00 -
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I will get my BPO for a mega able to fit command links before this dread gets fixed. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3200
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:54:00 -
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This made me laugh:
Patch Notes for Retribution 1.2 wrote: Ships * The single turret slot has been removed from the Phoenix. CCP should have done the opposite.
This made me cry:
Rubicon 1.1 wrote:Gameplay * Phoenix bonus to rate of fire now correctly applies to only citadel launchers. As it removed the only viable weapon system, RLML. |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:57:00 -
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fact that Phoenix need turret or smaller Missile to make it "viable" show you how broken Citadel Missile is. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
546
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful so are many other things. I'm interested in your list of ships or mods that carriers can speedtank
Explosion velocity of Citadel torpedoes is base 20m/s. With all level 5s, its 30. So... Leviathan and Phoenix are at the top of the list. Free Ripley Weaver! |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:20:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful so are many other things. I'm interested in your list of ships or mods that carriers can speedtank Explosion velocity of Citadel torpedoes is base 20m/s. With all level 5s, its 30. So... Leviathan and Phoenix are at the top of the list.
sig radius will increase damage
Titan will need to do more than 320m/s in order to reduce damage from missile
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Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
82
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Posted - 2014.02.25 02:54:00 -
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Change Phoenix bonus to all damage instead of just kinetic so it can select damage types. -Bl+¦d |
Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
155
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Posted - 2014.02.25 07:36:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Too many people have fallen into the trap of being fans of battlestar galatica, trained for caldari cap ships only to waste millions of skill points. Please tell me that I am not the only one who wanted to defeat the cylons?
Yesterday I found a way to make the phoenix viable... If they allowed the siege module to work with sub cap missile launchers, you would see a whole new amount of hillarious fights in new eden. What is that ship in the large FW plex? Oh no! Its a rapid light missile launcher phoenix with 1.5k dps! Frigates flee! lf this was made reality I would personally sacrifice a phoenix whenever I had the isk, just for the lulz... |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
46
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:11:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.
What he said.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
912
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Posted - 2014.02.25 15:21:00 -
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So would a whole bunch of other people.
Here is CCP Fozzie's comments about it in the last player made thread about ideas to fix it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3825516#post3825516 Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
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Jherik
League of xX420BLAZEITSWAGGOTXx. Nulli Secunda
13
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Posted - 2014.02.25 15:28:00 -
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Rapid Torpedo Launchers!!!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4017486#post4017486 |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
955
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:31:00 -
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In that case, expect a bonus to scanning. |
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