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Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
390
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:32:00 -
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Though I do not scam, I have no problem with it being permitted in Eve in general. I dislike scams that rely on someone making a typographical error or scams based on someone not knowing the more obscure game mechanics (like margin scams, the old freeform contract scams, etc.). Most of all though, I hate scams that are boring, unimaginative copies of things others have done a million times by others. Also, the spam is just awful. I wish I could actually use local when I go to a trade hub.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
456
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Posted - 2014.02.27 00:35:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I tossed 2 mill at an isk doubler for entertainment, and a creative explanation on how I broke the rules.
He won't tell me D:
You weren't rubbing your belly, patting the top of your head, hopping on one foot and singing AC/DC Money Talks on Team Speak. |
Ralen Zateki
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:11:00 -
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Nerf low sec. Nerf high sec. Nerf all alliance mechanisms. Ban scams of all types. Give noobs free skill points.... um... let's see... uh.... make trade fair.... uh....create a leveling mechanism so that players wtih years of grinding have no advantage over noobs... ummm... |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
25
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:21:00 -
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Jita local - and all the nasty scams lurking there - may be annoying, but they make the most populated system of the game feel like Mos Eisley.
Many other games rely on fancy graphics or some scripted npc dialogue to get that 'wretched hive of scum and villainy' vibe.
In EVE, players create it themselves. How cool is that? |
Jaari Val'Dara
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
72
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:33:00 -
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I just block the spamming scammers and move on. Up to nearly 300 blocked, of course it's just a drop in the ocean compared to how many there are. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1559
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:33:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jita local - and all the nasty scams lurking there - may be annoying, but they make the most populated system of the game feel like Mos Eisley.
Many other games rely on fancy graphics or some scripted npc dialogue to get that 'wretched hive of scum and villainy' vibe.
In EVE, players create it themselves. How cool is that?
+1 sir. Players creating the environment. It's VERY ******* cool!
"Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide
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EvEa Deva
Forum Alt Retort
452
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:41:00 -
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Long ago i sat in Jita and read all the scams in local for a day, some were good some were bad .
Don't fall for them is all i can say. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3894
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:59:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jita local - and all the nasty scams lurking there - may be annoying, but they make the most populated system of the game feel like Mos Eisley.
Many other games rely on fancy graphics or some scripted npc dialogue to get that 'wretched hive of scum and villainy' vibe.
In EVE, players create it themselves. How cool is that?
Maybe with WiS, we could make it more like Mos Eisley and remove the block function. Mad at a spammer? Pull out your laser pistol. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
152
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:06:00 -
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I want to give Erotica 1's isk service a go, but I dont have the minum 50mil required |
Capt Fossil
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:08:00 -
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Sad thing is, the only people that would fall for ANY of the plex scams are noobs.
And CCP continues to nerf stuff to make the game more noob friendly?????
Does not compute. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4698
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:10:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Scams are OK if victim is given full information.
Problem is margin scams.
Margin scams are a grey area because victim cannot see that a buy order does not have enough isk to cover it - thats unfair.
If only there was a market feature that could give you the buy & sell prices for that item in the past few months. They could call it a price history or something. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
30
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:28:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Jita local - and all the nasty scams lurking there - may be annoying, but they make the most populated system of the game feel like Mos Eisley.
Many other games rely on fancy graphics or some scripted npc dialogue to get that 'wretched hive of scum and villainy' vibe.
In EVE, players create it themselves. How cool is that? Maybe with WiS, we could make it more like Mos Eisley and remove the block function. Mad at a spammer? Pull out your laser pistol. Definetly
And while your laser pistol is giving him the carebear stare, his mate boards your faction-fit golem, undocks and warps off! |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3895
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:44:00 -
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The market in Eve works nothing like the real world, which allows some scams to persist. If I wanted to sell 1,000 shares of Google at market, that's easy and takes seconds or less. Sell 1,000 drakes? Of course that has to take freakin forever... so people put contracts up, or rapidly place endless orders and make pricing errors. Have 1,000 different items to sell? You might as well put up a hangar cleanout contract and hope someone with more time than you wants to scrape a small profit by spending literally hours selling the crap in Eve's market interface.
This is why I have been in favor of a market expansion for quite awhile. Margin should work like real margin, orders should work like real orders, etc. In game charting should be halfway decent and go back 10 years. Ideally, trusted 3rd parties could create custom trading software without compromising account security.
This will likely never happen though, so I'll just have to cobble together a trusted player-created alternative.
Once I unveil this project, players everywhere can rest assured their funds are safe, and they can avoid scams by using my service. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.27 02:51:00 -
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If you purposefully choose to gain the trust of someone so you can use their belief against them and take from them what they've earned, you are a bad person. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2623
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:06:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If you purposefully choose to gain the trust of someone so you can use their belief against them and take from them what they've earned, you are a bad person.
Show us on the dolly where the meanie scammer touched you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3895
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:07:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If you purposefully choose to gain the trust of someone so you can use their belief against them and take from them what they've earned, you are a bad person.
Not many scams in Eve rely upon taking anything. Mostly, the "victims" freely give.
But, we should ask the Eve scam expert Gevlon Goblin. He gets scammed a lot. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
239
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:22:00 -
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In years of playing Eve, I've never been scammed.
Virtually all of the scams I see are taking advantage of someone's greed. If the 'victim' wasn't so greedy, looking for some angle himself- then no scam would ever work. People who don't bother reading a contract, people who are thinking with their wallets and not their heads.
I think it's hilarious when people get scammed in Eve. Not my play style to sit around a hub spamming bad contracts, but it is players creating content, which I always support. I refuse to punish player creativity in favor of dumbing down Eve so people don't even have to read something before clicking on it.
If you got scammed in Eve, there is no one to blame but yourself. While it's a popular topic, the number of players that have actually ever been scammed is tiny, being smart enough not to get swindled in the first place. The simple fact is, scamming isn't a problem for the vast majority of Eve. |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:28:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:If you purposefully choose to gain the trust of someone so you can use their belief against them and take from them what they've earned, you are a bad person. Show us on the dolly where the meanie scammer touched you.
I'm reporting you. You're following me around harassing me just because I choose to have an opinion different than yours.
If you do not wish to have a civil conversation with me, I suggest you stop communicating with me all together.
Please show some respect. Thanks |
SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
174
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:33:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Piracy and "blue collar" crimes, in general, are viewed as fair game in the EVE community.
Scamming, scheming, and white collar crimes, on the other hand, seem a lot more controversial. I hear a lot of people say that they think of it as something outside of normal moral EVE boundaries, and others who say it's just another way to make some ISK.
So I ask you: where do you stand on scamming in EVE? Fair game, or exceptionally awful?
Personally, I think that all is fair in love and EVE. My opinion may be a little biased, since I've never been a victim of a scam (nor scammed anyone else), but I generally harbor the philosophy that anything in EVE that doesn't involve a) hacking, b) messing with someone's account or c) the real world is within the realm of fair game.
If you're dumb enough to fall for a scam in eve you have it coming my opinion its fair. I mean come on the saying goes if its to good to be true its a trap!! Also that mega on gate has a cyno just don't shoot the cyno bait. Blue
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Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
41
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:37:00 -
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SpoonRECKLESS wrote:Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Piracy and "blue collar" crimes, in general, are viewed as fair game in the EVE community.
Scamming, scheming, and white collar crimes, on the other hand, seem a lot more controversial. I hear a lot of people say that they think of it as something outside of normal moral EVE boundaries, and others who say it's just another way to make some ISK.
So I ask you: where do you stand on scamming in EVE? Fair game, or exceptionally awful?
Personally, I think that all is fair in love and EVE. My opinion may be a little biased, since I've never been a victim of a scam (nor scammed anyone else), but I generally harbor the philosophy that anything in EVE that doesn't involve a) hacking, b) messing with someone's account or c) the real world is within the realm of fair game. If you're dumb enough to fall for a scam in eve you have it coming my opinion its fair. I mean come on the saying goes if its to good to be true its a trap!! Also that mega on gate has a cyno just don't shoot the cyno bait.
If you promise me that if I lend you 100m isk, and within 1 month you'll repay me 110m isk, and you choose to keep all of it and never return it, then you are a bad person for lying to me and stealing.
*edit* just for clarification, having seen you support stealing, I'll never consider you worthy of being trusted. So don't even try. |
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2623
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:If you purposefully choose to gain the trust of someone so you can use their belief against them and take from them what they've earned, you are a bad person. Show us on the dolly where the meanie scammer touched you. I'm reporting you. You're following me around harassing me just because I choose to have an opinion different than yours. If you do not wish to have a civil conversation with me, I suggest you stop communicating with me all together. Please show some respect. Thanks
When you start showing some yourself, you'll get a tonne of respect from me. It's not that hard. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
443
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:48:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If you purposefully choose to gain the trust of someone so you can use their belief against them and take from them what they've earned, you are a bad person.
I totally agree.
Many upstanding business people in game aiming to double someone's ISK are treated very poorly when people can't follow the basic instructions set for a particular offer.
Those people who attempt to scam the business people out of their ISK by cutting corners should be ashamed of themselves.
Luckily though, most of those business people are always switched on because it appears that a lot of people try to get a pay off while breaking the rules. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1238
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Posted - 2014.02.27 03:48:00 -
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scam involving knowledge of game mechanics and smart tricks is OK scam involving simple lying (like Ero1's and all ISK-doublers scams) is no-no. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3895
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Posted - 2014.02.27 04:09:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:scam involving knowledge of game mechanics and smart tricks is OK scam involving simple lying (like Ero1's and all ISK-doublers scams) is no-no.
I can't help it you couldn't follow the rules. Stop being so bitter and mad. All that anger is eating you up inside. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Ai Shun
1144
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Posted - 2014.02.27 05:07:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:So I ask you: where do you stand on scamming in EVE? Fair game, or exceptionally awful?
Fair game and can be so well executed that it becomes almost poetic. I know this is technically not a scam, but an in-game scam with a style similar to that is what I'd class as a brilliant.
http://eve.klaki.net/heist/
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Send me your forum post and I'll double it.
Love it. Has all the right flavours. |
Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
860
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Posted - 2014.02.27 05:45:00 -
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I fell for a margin-trade scam once, before I knew what it was.
Scamming is good, m'kay? "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
81
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Posted - 2014.02.27 05:55:00 -
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i don't care about scams but i do pity the fool that falls for them for at least 2 milliseconds before laughing at them. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1239
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Posted - 2014.02.27 06:31:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:scam involving knowledge of game mechanics and smart tricks is OK scam involving simple lying (like Ero1's and all ISK-doublers scams) is no-no. I can't help it you couldn't follow the rules. Stop being so bitter and mad. All that anger is eating you up inside. it doesn't matter if one follows 'rules' or not if you use lie to win. this makes you totally worthless person The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1472
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Posted - 2014.02.27 06:51:00 -
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While this should be easy i personally find it extremely difficult to answer this question as i find my self on both sides.
As others have mentioned, this is EVE, its a sandbox, everything (almost) is allowed, and EVE is (and should be) a harsh universe that makes you thin twice and punishes you for your mistakes.
So, on that side im for scams. At least some. Goons recruitment scam, all for it! Market and contracts scams, sure go ahead. Recruitment scams in general, not honoring ransoms, ISK doubling scams, whatever... I have no problem with it because its all in the game and does not hurt anyone in real life.
Quite frankly EVE would be pretty boring without the stories that occur because of scams and similar..indecent behavior.
Of course im sure some will say that it does hurt them in real life, that being scammed morally wrecked them and greatly affected their mental state, but if these people are actually honest i would say that EVE might not be for them.
However, some scams goes to far.
Scams that move "out" of game and attacks the person, or persons, in real life.
The best example i have of this is a group who used to find it really entertaining to find RIP threads, claim to be a relative of said person and say something like "***** greatest wish was to get a titan. In honor of his memory we will buy one and dedicate it to his memory. ISK can be sent to *****". This particular one abuses peoples grief, and also the people who just wish to show respect for a deceased EVE player, thus in my mind it crosses the line between real life and EVE. Luckily this one died out pretty fast, but it still left me with a foul taste in my mouth and made me wonder how low some people are willing to go in order to scam people.
For the next one, it will generally be a female thing, even if im sure there are men that does the same, or at least pretend to be females to archive the same result. Find a guy, make said guy "fall in love" with you, have them give you ISK and various other stuff and then cut contact. I really wish i wouldent have to list this one here since it sort of builds on a stereotype, but sadly it does happen, while not that often (i hope). Again i react because this messes with a persons feelings in real life, and abuses their mental state, thus moves "out of game".
Then there is one that i cant really...decide how i feel about.
Obtaining pictures, voice recordings and similar of people, making it public just to get as many people as possible to laugh at the person who got scammed. Sure the fact that the person fell for it in the first place is amusing, but again it crosses the line. When you take real life information about someone in order to "push them down in the mud" because the person wasent humiliated enough by getting scammed in the first place is (in my opinion) going to far.
But at the same time, these people must realize that going on a random voice chat and sing with a voice that makes a cats howling sound good, or sharing real life picture of them self (dressed or not) in order to "win" ISK is a bad idea! I mean, even if this was not EVE, where scamming is legal, i cant see why anyone would be willing to do this. After all, all they had to do was set their foot down, say no and close the convo. But who knows, i have never known anyone who has fallen for a scam like this (well ok, i will admit i have talked to one person who did something along these lines and in that case it was a smooth talking voice and a weak sport for charming men that caused it ) so maybe im just missing something.
So, while this scam enters "real life", it does not toy with your emotions or leave you without a choice. Instead you base it all on a 5 minute conversation with a complete stranger, and, quite frankly, when you choose to give all your assets to a person after that little time im leaning towards saying that this is that own persons fault.
But well. Personally i dont scam people. I know people who do, i know people who have been scammed, and i know people who has never fallen for one, and they are all good people.
TLDR; Please let the players keep having the freedom to keep execute scams. Like it or not, it creates history. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
486
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Posted - 2014.02.27 08:37:00 -
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I dont mind them at all :)
I do mind the constant local spam though, yes I know block.. but the ******* multiply faster then.. something annoying.. that.. multiplies fast..
bieber fans?
yeah that works :)
actually what irks me the most are the referal bonus links to some webpages. because they are spammed non stop. please.. think of Chribbas poor chatlogs.. and my poor ignore list ^^
and stop calling erotica a scammer, she is totally legit! |
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