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Marcsen
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Posted - 2006.04.21 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Marcsen on 21/04/2006 15:02:34
Hi,
while i was playing on my empire trader today, i thought about how i could protect myself from the usuual suspects hanging around Jita who scan your cargo and suicide gank you if your freight is worth their effort.
I think a good way would be to just carry around like 1000 bookmarks in your hold along with the items you want to ship. They use no space, and once your cargo window is open, you dont need to load it again on your trip.
Now, when the guy with the passive scanner scans you, he will have to scroll through a loong list to find your valuables. He might eventually give up and say "meh, cant be arsed"
What do you think, is this a legal tactic? Or is it an exploit?
(Leave out the fact that you spoil the suiciders fun here please )
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:00:00 -
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Sounds like a 100% legal tactic to me -----
Lead Games Programmer @ Quasit-Rushyo Games | Me! |
Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Placeholder on 21/04/2006 15:03:42 its obviously an exploit but who knows you might get away using it... i wouldnt risk it tho, especially not after posting about it
edit-> because youre abusing the slow loading of computers
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Marcsen
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Marcsen on 21/04/2006 15:04:02 Why? I can't see where it says one may not haul bookmarks.
Of course i wouldnt use this in pvp to gain advantage, but just carrying them around can't be a bad thing
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Placeholder on 21/04/2006 15:05:39 on a second thought since they limited the items to 1k it should be okay
edit-> i was thinking about really exploiting it like putting 1mil bookmarks
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:08:00 -
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400 bookmarks take ages to load, they should get you safely tru.
and no, it is not an exploit. this actually might be a good idea.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:09:00 -
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Quote: its obviously an exploit but who knows you might get away using it... i wouldnt risk it tho, especially not after posting about it
Why? It's only an exploit in CCP's eyes if you exploit a bug in the game, not a feature. Being able to fill your cargo hold is not a bug as far as CCP are concerned. In much the same way attacking new players using ships isn't a bug, it's just a use of the time it takes for CONCORD to arrive.
Basically, it's a valid to use something as it isn't intended to be used. It is however invalid to exploit a bug in the software. -----
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:12:00 -
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if you could put enough bookmarks in how would it be different from dropping cans or mines at gates to lag the enemy ? except that one is offensive and the other defensive
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Placeholder if you could put enough bookmarks in how would it be different from dropping cans or mines at gates to lag the enemy ? except that one is offensive and the other defensive
Difference I see is he wouldnt be purposely trying to cause lag, hes not knowingly going into a fight with BM's in his cargo to cause lag.
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bexxly on 21/04/2006 15:23:41 Sounds like a great counter to it imo.
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder if you could put enough bookmarks in how would it be different from dropping cans or mines at gates to lag the enemy ?
It's completely differant. It's a great counter to an almost uncounterable activity.
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:34:00 -
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hmm tbh i still dont see much of a difference but thats just me i dont know if you need to prove someones intention to exploit something to classify something as an exploit
well if no mods/devs say its an exploit i guess its cool
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:57:00 -
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since the BMs also create lots of lag, you will face a exploit petition
best is to divide your items into different stacks. 10000 Zydrine in 10 stacks of 1000 zydrine
the enemy will never scan your full potential
Jawas are lousy carebears :(
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:06:00 -
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It's an exploit based on past pirating activities (like m0o, woot) and will most likely remain that way. Just like it was an exploit to leave a can loaded with 1,000-2,000 bookmarks at a gate and watch the person lag out and create an easy gate target, it's going to be illegal to lag out a gate camper's computer in the name of saftey.
Using the game mechanics to deliberatly hamper the preformance of the other person's machine (note: note not experience, just machine) has always been unaccaptable. --------------
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Espen
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:16:00 -
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You don't really lag out if you try to open a can like that, it only takes ages to open it. And I guess the camper could just scroll to the button or see everything at the top?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:26:00 -
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Did they really repair the client-side hanging? Because I know I still get it when the corp hanger is packed. --------------
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Stellarr
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:27:00 -
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Use cargo containers :) no one is going to blow your ship if all they see is a huge secure container named "junk"
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:35:00 -
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so a note to all the suicide gankers kill someone that is full of bm's?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:36:00 -
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Putting tons of bookmarks in your cargo hold is an exploit period because it causes massive lag for everyone in the system.
You can use other items though to do the same thing. Or you can get off your arse and use a tanked indy
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:40:00 -
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so bookmarks create more lag than other items ?
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Stephen Chow
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:49:00 -
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If it's really valuable but doesn't take up much space, why not use a combat ship with a tank set up to make the move? After all, a suicide raven can't suicide another raven.
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jimmys savior
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:59:00 -
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most suicide gankers can't be arsed to attack an elite indy, or a freighter. it requires too many people.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:05:00 -
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stay away from jita jita ebil
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:21:00 -
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Simply having the BMs in your cargo shouldnt cause lag for anybody except people scanning your cargo.
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild CAPS LOCK IS THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Simply having the BMs in your cargo shouldnt cause lag for anybody except people scanning your cargo.
Apparently that isn't true though, for some reason. People have been caught and banned for filling tons of cans with bookmarks to cause lag in a system, I believe.
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Mrsticks
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:14:00 -
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Or just a thought getting blasted by concord VOIDS the warranty on your ship (not the clone) Bamn insta fix for the whole darn thing.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:22:00 -
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Having bookmarks in your hold cant be an exploit, how are you supposed to copy them then? -------
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:45:00 -
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Why not just fly a transport ship though? It doesn't take all that long to train and industrial 5 is very handy on a trader alt.
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Intel
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:30:00 -
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Using a ship thats easy to destroy in hi sec to transport something valuable is stupidity above and beyond.
Use containers and give them dummy names, Ammo bpc's or whatever.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Intel Using a ship thats easy to destroy in hi sec to transport something valuable is stupidity above and beyond.
Use containers and give them dummy names, Ammo bpc's or whatever.
Cargo scanners see through containers...
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Elaron
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:47:00 -
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To be honest, with the conflicting opinions on this topic, your best bet for a definitive answer would be to use "Ask A Question".
Elaron
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