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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Actually according to the accessibility through skill points, it kind of is multiple smaller games within one big game. Actually, according to the actual game mechanics and not some contrived and arbitrarily made-up separation into activities, they're they're all the same singular game: EVE. You choose to play it or you don't. If you choose to play it, you've made the same choice as the gankers and scammers. So, again, does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person? Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
So camping a station is exactly the same as mining in high sec.
Gotcha |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:42:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Presumes to judge, but will not accept judgement in return.
A sure sign of moral decrepitude, duplicity, insincerity and hypocrisy. I've never stated you're not allowed to judge me however you wish. In fact I've stated quite the opposite. You think of me however you like, that's a right afforded to all of us. Yes, it is. Which invalidates all the pages and pages of posting you have made, as merely a personal opinion and your own personal judgement of others. Not a universal truth. Just your own personal prejudice and bias.
Sadly it's not my own, considering society looks down upon people who's objective is to cause misery in others. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20005
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:42:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:So camping a station is exactly the same as mining in high sec. Yes.
Does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person? Does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar?
Quote:Sadly it's not my own, considering society looks down upon people who's objective is to cause misery in others. GǪa trait that you can't determine merely from playing a game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
630
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
Every single person I have interacted with in game has been playing within the rules and with the tools provided. It is clear that they have applied ethical standards to themselves at a player level without any issue.
I have never met anyone in EvE that has deliberately cheated or used tools outside the game, though there are people playing the game that do make those choices (eg. running bot scripts, abusing an exploit, etc.).
The only possible conclusion I can make is that the article above is another ridiculous link designed to denigrate the community and is totally inappropriate.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:44:00 -
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Spaja Saist wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Spaja Saist wrote:CCP seems to like running a game were being an ******* is the main goal. Playing this game for the last 10 and a half years has taught me I would never want to go to Iceland. You dump a lot of **** onto a game that's kept you fixed for ten years. What're you truly bitter about? I get tired of the same jackholes who have nothing better to do but mess with people on the forums. It serves no purpose other than to show everyone that they are in fact assholes in real life. I have no problem with someone wanting to be a sociopath in the game but when they come to the forums and attack anyone who has issues with the game it just proves they are as bad in real life as their characters in the game. In other words keep your crazy in the game.
I agree with your message but you should not stoop to his level of leveraging personal insults. It detracts from the validity of your stance when you allow yourself to become motivated with a negative intention.
You have promise, your heart is in the right place. Do not squander it on a petty squabble. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
275
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Sadly it's not my own, considering society looks down upon people who's objective is to cause misery in others.
And as has been demonstrated here, society looks down upon you as being a presumptuous, biased, prejudiced, insincere, dishonest and altogether hypocritical individual, both in action and intent.
Therefore, that must be what you are. Because we perceive you to be.
That is, after all, how you presume to claim that others are, what you perceive them to be, is it not? |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:45:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: Every single person I have interacted with in game has been playing within the rules and with the tools provided. It is clear that they have applied ethical standards to themselves at a player level without any issue. I have never met anyone in EvE that has deliberately cheated or used tools outside the game, though there are people playing the game that do make those choices (eg. running bot scripts, abusing an exploit, etc.). The only possible conclusion I can make is that the article above is another ridiculous link designed to denigrate the community and is totally inappropriate.
It explains that people are willing to disconnect themselves from their own actions. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:47:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Sadly it's not my own, considering society looks down upon people who's objective is to cause misery in others. And as has been demonstrated here, society looks down upon you as being a presumptuous, biased, prejudiced, insincere, dishonest and altogether hypocritical individual, both in action and intent. Therefore, that must be what you are. Because we perceive you to be. That is, after all, how you presume to claim that others are, what you perceive them to be, is it not?
You may think what you wish.
The other side of that coin means I get to think what I wish.
Luckily for me, I have alot more weight on my side. I understand you though, I use to be like you. But I got better. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3100
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:47:00 -
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How on earth has he not been banned yet? The last, like, 4 pages are just one long violation. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:48:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It explains that people are willing to disconnect themselves from their own actions. The context being EVE.
And, ironically, and as is so often the case with the most vocal of hypocrites, also how you are disconnecting yourself from the repercussions and logical consequences of your own behavior and posited perspective, by thinking that you are not subject to the same judgement you would apply onto others.
It cuts both ways. That is the nature of responsible morality. You are not acting as you preach. You are infact, yourself, demonstrating a gross disconnection between judging your own actions by the same standards you apply to others. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20006
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:49:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It explains that people are willing to disconnect themselves from their own actions. The context being EVE. It certainly has you down to a t.
GÇ£Another disengagement technique is advantageous comparison. Moral judgments of conduct can be influenced by structuring what the conduct is compared against. In social comparison the GÇ£moralityGÇ¥ of acts depends more on the ideological allegiances of the labelers than on the acts themselves.GÇ¥ Put another way: personal prejudice.
Anyway, the term you're looking for is GÇ£magic circleGÇ¥.
Quote:Luckily for me, I have alot more weight on my side. I understand you though, I use to be like you. But I got better. Prejudice, bigotry, and unfounded assumption offers no weight, and that is all you have on your side. Nor is an increased reliance on them in any way a turn for the betterGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:50:00 -
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Anonymity brings out the sociopath.
On more serious note the concentration of who you might see as "bad guys" in the game derives directly from natural selection.
As CCP has stated several times, scamming, ganking and other such emergent game play is encouraged. This leads to the golden rule where weak perish and strong flourish. Over time the balance of "bad guys" vs. "good guys" shifts to the "bad" side. And, as we know, alts give voices to our hidden personalities. Why not play the bad guy? One might find it relaxing.
Another idea might be that the group you are referring to tends to be one of the loudest around. That fact has kept their corner of the sandbox strong, which may be the cause of your concern.
If anything, take the game as a learning experience; everything is a scam, everyone will want to shoot at you, maybe something will rub on you like this:
reading the fine print |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It explains that people are willing to disconnect themselves from their own actions. The context being EVE. It certainly has you down to a t. GÇ£Another disengagement technique is advantageous comparison. Moral judgments of conduct can be influenced by structuring what the conduct is compared against. In social comparison the GÇ£moralityGÇ¥ of acts depends more on the ideological allegiances of the labelers than on the acts themselves.GÇ¥ Put another way: personal prejudice. Anyway, the term you're looking for is GÇ£magic circleGÇ¥. You're the one who keeps trying to compare morality to poker. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:51:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You're the one who keeps trying to compare morality to poker.
And you are the one who keeps trying to judge others, without applying the same standards to himself. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20006
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:53:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You're the one who keeps trying to compare morality to poker. No, that's just you being unable to distinguish what goes on in your head with what goes on in the real world. No such comparison has ever been made.
But since you bring it up, does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar? Does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:53:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It explains that people are willing to disconnect themselves from their own actions. The context being EVE. And, ironically, and as is so often the case with the most vocal of hypocrites, also how you are disconnecting yourself from the repercussions and logical consequences of your own behavior and posited perspective, by thinking that you are not subject to the same judgement you would apply onto others. It cuts both ways. That is the nature of responsible morality. You are not acting as you preach. You are infact, yourself, demonstrating a gross disconnection between judging your own actions by the same standards you apply to others.
Well whatever, all we can do is present our opinions. How it's perceived and judged is entirely out of our hands.
I've stated my case, you've stated yours. Yours revolves around attacking me personally, enforcing my point that bad people exist and be their true selves vicariously through EVE.
Mine revolves around the fact that people who make the choice to do bad things are bad people. Which for some reason influences you to wish to do bad things to me. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2497
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:53:00 -
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Eve is the libertarian ideal given wings. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2599
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:54:00 -
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I am late to the thread. But all I need to do is say to the OP that it is worse in the real world.
"Tan has also seen reports of caulk and petroleum jelly injected in black market cosmetic procedure rings."
I also saw a report this morning saying some cosmetic hackers are using fix a flat. Very not cool yet somewhat hilarious considering what it is being used for |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:54:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Mine revolves around the fact that people who make the choice to do bad things are bad people. Which for some reason influences you to wish to do bad things to me.
You are, from my perspective, a bad person. You are doing bad things to people. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You're the one who keeps trying to compare morality to poker. No, that's just you being unable to distinguish what goes on in your head with what goes on in the real world. No such comparison has ever been made. But since you bring it up, does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar? Does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person?
The real world is you're choosing to sit at your computer and type on the eve forum so you can spread the message that people who do bad things aren't bad people.
Or do you think you're not really you right now?
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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:58:00 -
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Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Do gankers lose when they strike a prime target? the ppl who tried to awox my freighter and sucide gank my empty orca had zero to gain and something to lose. thats my question. why are there ppl who will go to any length to ruin other ppls game? or realy why so many, and im starting to beleive eve is full of very loud evil people.... sorry divine entervention i tried to stay positive but this thread shows i was wrong to try |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20006
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:58:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I've stated my case, you've stated yours. Yours Mine revolves around attacking me everyone who disagrees with me personally, enforcing my point that bad people exist and be their true selves vicariously through EVE.
Mine My unsupported claim revolves around the fact unproven assumption that people who make the choice to do bad things play the game as intended are bad people. You had a couple of misspellings in there. I fixed them up for you.
Quote:Which for some reason influences you to wish to do bad things to me. Could you point to this actually happening? So far, the only one who has expressed any such wish is the guy who agreed with you and who wanted me to die for pointing out that your claims are prejudiced.
Quote:The real world is you're choosing to sit at your computer and type on the eve forum so you can spread the message that people who do bad things aren't bad people. No, that's once again just you confusing what goes on in your head with what actually goes on in the real world.
By the way, you never answered the question: does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar? Does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Mine revolves around the fact that people who make the choice to do bad things are bad people. Which for some reason influences you to wish to do bad things to me. You are, from my perspective, a bad person. You are doing bad things to people. Furthermore you are duplicitous and insincere in discourse. Whether you are aware of it or not, you repeatedly break multiple rules of unilateral and objective communication. You are not as smart as you think you are, you are not as educated as you think you are, your morality is not as honed as you think it is. In all these things, you strike me as a dilettante. A hack. At worst, a demagog. Someone who has taken the first steps but is too cowardly to apply to themselves the morality they espouse and would apply to others.
Alright well, you've already disrespected me. Because of the way you chose to interact with me, I get to choose to not take your conclusion as an honest assessment.
You performed an action that resulted in a reaction of my considering your stance invalid. Consequence of your actions.
#accountability |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:I've stated my case, you've stated yours. Yours Mine revolves around attacking me everyone who disagrees with me personally, enforcing my point that bad people exist and be their true selves vicariously through EVE.
Mine My unsupported claim revolves around the fact unproven assumption that people who make the choice to do bad things are bad people. You had a couple of misspellings in there. I fixed them up for you. Quote:Which for some reason influences you to wish to do bad things to me. Could you point to this actually happening? So far, the only one who has expressed any such wish is the guy who agreed with you and who wanted me to die for pointing out that your claims are prejudiced. Quote:The real world is you're choosing to sit at your computer and type on the eve forum so you can spread the message that people who do bad things aren't bad people. No, that's once again just you confusing what goes on in your head with what actually goes on in the real world. By the way, you never answered the question: does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar? Does playing the cop in a game of cops and robbers make the kid a good person?
You must be scraping the bottom of the barrel if you're resorting to correcting spelling errors. And if you read the thread, you'll see where Salvos Rhoska completely disrespected my request to not ask me about my personal appearance.
#thebest |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20006
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:03:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Alright well, you've already disrespected me. When did he do that?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
432
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:04:00 -
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Aih-Li Tahn wrote:Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:Do gankers lose when they strike a prime target? the ppl who tried to awox my freighter and sucide gank my empty orca had zero to gain and something to lose. thats my question. why are there ppl who will go to any length to ruin other ppls game? or realy why so many, and im starting to beleive eve is full of very loud evil people.... sorry divine entervention i tried to stay positive but this thread shows i was wrong to try
They had a killmail to gain.
Some ppl genuinely try and make ISK from PvP. Some PvPers justify PvP by saying they make ISK that way but do not really. Some have other silly justifications for ganking like "the code". But some people are just honest and say we gank anything that makes a good killmail. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1483
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:05:00 -
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I feel obligated to point out that just because someone doesn't respect you doesn't mean that their opinion is wrong. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
432
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:07:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I feel obligated to point out that just because someone doesn't respect you doesn't mean that their opinion is wrong.
What? Are you saying Ad Hominiem is not a valid form of rational argument ? |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
447
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:07:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/xblF4.gif |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:07:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I feel obligated to point out that just because someone doesn't respect you doesn't mean that their opinion is wrong.
and it doesn't mean it's right.
From personal experience, people who choose to disrespect others show a tendency to say things for the sole purpose of upsetting others to feel a sense of accomplishment at having an impact on the life of another. Knowing that he's displayed a correlative similarity between people who say mean things for their own amusement, it gives me reason to believe he might be doing so at this very moment for that purpose, which for my own sake it would be better to ignore and accept the judgment of someone who's proven himself to me as one who's opinion I can believe is honest. |
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