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Shadowlightt
Apex Innovations
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:09:00 -
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This may be an idea that other people have stated already but i thought it would be cool for the game to havea stock market like say u are ceo of a corp and want some profit from it and its ops you can put ur company on the stock market and make money off shares and stockholders as other players what do u think |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:13:00 -
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Never been thought of before.
You are totally the first person to come up with this outrageous concept.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:14:00 -
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It's already available, the hard part is making sure there are payouts from the shares since that is up to the corp owning the shares to actually do.
But there's nothing stopping you from offering the sale of shares to people and as you make profit (if you do) pay out dividends to the share holders.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
/c
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:14:00 -
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Shadowlightt wrote:This may be an idea that other people have stated already but i thought it would be cool for the game to havea stock market like say u are ceo of a corp and want some profit from it and its ops you can put ur company on the stock market and make money off shares and stockholders as other players what do u think
I think that the Shares mechanic will enable others to take your corporation. Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:15:00 -
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I invest and play around on the stock market in real life but i am not sure if it would work out in EVE. Not to mention the insane amount of manipulation attempts that would take place...or what would you do if i IPO my EVE corp and vanish with all the invested money three days later? Nothing...there is no SEC or anything like that.
I think the history of all the failed EVE banks speaks for itself. |
Shadowlightt
Apex Innovations
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:16:00 -
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Like to also fix the huge inflations and th bots in eve maybe when the stock market crashes prices go everywhere they raise or they lower but the point ia that it can give more strategy to people using thw market to its fullest potential |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:47:00 -
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Shadowlightt wrote:Like to also fix the huge inflations and th bots in eve maybe when the stock market crashes prices go everywhere they raise or they lower but the point ia that it can give more strategy to people using thw market to its fullest potential
Yes, please fix this huge inflation http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65910/1/Indices_2014-02.png |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:47:00 -
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What about an npc stock market? Similar to what gta v had.
Corp revenues would be released monthly and could be based on formula # of completed missions * random unpredictable events * rng modifier to account for their other dealings.
At least this would give people something interesting to watch on those big screens in the captains room. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:57:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:What about an npc stock market? Similar to what gta v had.
Owning stock in say, Caldari Navy ?
No way.
CCP has been trying it's damnedest to reduce "ISK faucets" over the last few years, so having even a small proportion of what an npc entity rakes in, in terms of "tax" paid back out as "dividends", would be a huge flow of ISK into the game.
You can hear the howls and moaning already, because the price of such stock would shoot up and out of sight -- and thus beyond most pilot's ability to purchase -- literally overnight and such npc entities would easily become de facto "property" of the really large alliances in moments.
"This will not end well." (TM)
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.03.31 12:58:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:What about an npc stock market? Similar to what gta v had.
Corp revenues would be released monthly and could be based on formula # of completed missions * random unpredictable events * rng modifier to account for their other dealings.
At least this would give people something interesting to watch on those big screens in the captains room.
That could work since it could be kind of regulated. Why not make the npc corps that provide trade goods to the eve market like livestock tradeable on a stock market. I am sure CCP could cook up algorithms to simulate a stock market with all its random niceties. |
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Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:00:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:What about an npc stock market? Similar to what gta v had.
Corp revenues would be released monthly and could be based on formula # of completed missions * random unpredictable events * rng modifier to account for their other dealings.
At least this would give people something interesting to watch on those big screens in the captains room.
I like this idea. Or even better. Make the NPC corps record the number of losses with ships they are part of developing. If a type of ship is killed a lot, the corp will do a good payout to shareholders due to their "fee" from their design being used in combat. This way you would suddently be able to win the sharemarket by monitorin what shiptypes people lose and by speculation in what types of doctrines big alliance will next lose in a big fight. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2874
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:02:00 -
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It would work if players ran their corps like companies and not like gangs, but there is no reason to do so. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:12:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:It would work if players ran their corps like companies and not like gangs, but there is no reason to do so.
Exactly, also most of them are not industrialists producing things so there is no real profit. That`s why the NPC corps would be best suited for it since they could simulate real profit oriented corps.
That would open a lot of options..you could simulate a virtual market with all the possible real world scenarios randomly tied into it. A stock market could add a lot to EVE i think in all areas.
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Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:15:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Organic Lager wrote:What about an npc stock market? Similar to what gta v had.
Owning stock in say, Caldari Navy ? No way. CCP has been trying it's damnedest to reduce "ISK faucets" over the last few years, so having even a small proportion of what an npc entity rakes in, in terms of "tax" paid back out as "dividends", would be a huge flow of ISK into the game. You can hear the howls and moaning already, because the price of such stock would shoot up and out of sight -- and thus beyond most pilot's ability to purchase -- literally overnight and such npc entities would easily become de facto "property" of the really large alliances in moments. "This will not end well." (TM)
True it would be an isk faucet. I would also suggest also introducing large fees to buy an sell to help offset the faucet. New skills to reduce these fees could be introduced with long train times to allow for a new stock broker profession to be created, maybe using buy and sell orders with small comissions through the contracts?
I'm not sure what you mean by a stock shoot up out of sight? The idea is players wont have control over the prices as even a corp as large as say goons would still be a drop in the ocean of the trillons of investors all over the galaxy |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:25:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:
The idea is players wont have control over the prices as even a corp as large as say goons would still be a drop in the ocean of the trillons of investors all over the galaxy
Yes it would only work like that, the market should be mainly controlled by a large group of simulated invisible investors. |
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:47:00 -
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And yet after your post various posters continued to have a proper discussion about the topic.
These kinds of posts are the worst, sorry. You don't tell people not to discuss things because you think it may have been discussed enough already... |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:52:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:It would work if players ran their corps like companies and not like gangs, but there is no reason to do so.
But gangs are funner
But back to the OP... you can't trust people, so invest in assets and not stocks. -Bl+¦d |
The Complainitor Listen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:58:00 -
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Shadowlightt wrote:This may be an idea that other people have stated already but i thought it would be cool for the game to havea stock market like say u are ceo of a corp and want some profit from it and its ops you can put ur company on the stock market and make money off shares and stockholders as other players what do u think
After reading "This may be an idea that other people..." I already stopped reading.
There are too many lemmings and kids that never took an economics and statistics class, as well as adults that tried taking those classes and failed them, those people, are now ruling the trade market. The lower end IQ capacity of 99% of the people involved with anything business related in Eve Online will only cause a potential stock market to collapse within a short time.
It would make more sense to eat a soup sandwich . |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2875
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:00:00 -
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The Complainitor Listen wrote: There are too many lemmings and kids that never took an economics and statistics class, as well as adults that tried taking those classes and failed them, those people, are now ruling the trade market.
How so if they are so bad? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Shadowlightt
Apex Innovations
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:30:00 -
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The Complainitor Listen wrote:Shadowlightt wrote:This may be an idea that other people have stated already but i thought it would be cool for the game to havea stock market like say u are ceo of a corp and want some profit from it and its ops you can put ur company on the stock market and make money off shares and stockholders as other players what do u think After reading "This may be an idea that other people..." I already stopped reading. There are too many lemmings and kids that never took an economics and statistics class, as well as adults that tried taking those classes and failed them, those people, are now ruling the trade market. The lower end IQ capacity of 99% of the people involved with anything business related in Eve Online will only cause a potential stock market to collapse within a short time. It would make more sense to eat a soup sandwich . Why criticize if u havent read everything but the topic sentence |
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DeadDuck
Viziam Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:42:00 -
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All these ideas will lead to massive scamms to the player base, since nobody will go to jail by scamming the others like it could happen in real world.
In EVE I can advertise huge corporation Profits that almost nobody can audit. I can advertise that in "order to boost the corporation investment strategy on mineral trade operations" I'm oppening my corporation capital to the market, selling a huge amount of shares based on the profits that nobody knows if they are real or not, receive the billions of ISKS, laugh like a madman and close the corporation on the other day...
Nothing will happen to me, except being flammed on forums.
Trust me ladies, EVE is real but not so real...
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Shadowlightt
Apex Innovations
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:49:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:All these ideas will lead to massive scamms to the player base, since nobody will go to jail by scamming the others like it could happen in real world. In EVE I can advertise huge corporation Profits that almost nobody can audit. I can advertise that in "order to boost the corporation investment strategy on mineral trade operations" I'm oppening my corporation capital to the market, selling a huge amount of shares based on the profits that nobody knows if they are real or not, receive the billions of ISKS, laugh like a madman and close the corporation on the other day... Nothing will happen to me, except being flammed on forums. Trust me ladies, EVE is real but not so real... It dosent have to be like the real world since it is in outer space and 20 thousand years in the future. Concord actually made,the isk the galatic currency im sure they can make decent laws against,stock fraud to put consenquences on the corporations |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:58:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:All these ideas will lead to massive scamms to the player base, since nobody will go to jail by scamming the others like it could happen in real world. In EVE I can advertise huge corporation Profits that almost nobody can audit. I can advertise that in "order to boost the corporation investment strategy on mineral trade operations" I'm oppening my corporation capital to the market, selling a huge amount of shares based on the profits that nobody knows if they are real or not, receive the billions of ISKS, laugh like a madman and close the corporation on the other day... Nothing will happen to me, except being flammed on forums. Trust me ladies, EVE is real but not so real...
Or as i suggested earilier you make it traded on npc corps and not pc corps to prevent this kind of fraud.
Stock prices are unaffected or very rarely and only slightly affected by the players. Manufaturing corps could report profits based on how the mineral prices have preformed. They could also report profits on taxes collected from missioning and using manufacturing lines. Increased earnings increased dividend payouts.
You could also work events into this such as the new SoE ships might greatly increase the stock value in SoE while hurting some of the competitors
Or the big B-R battle could raise the stock of all manu corps due to increased business as people replace lost ships and modules
All the stock gains would need to be limited to prevent players from doubling or tripling trillions over night. But i don't think flexes of 1-2% a day and a max of 1% monthly dividend payouts would hurt anything. Especially if you're going to pay a fee of say 3% with max skills to buy in, more if you have to use a broker |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
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Posted - 2014.03.31 16:36:00 -
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... creates a new Alt to act as a "Railroad Baron" to issue vast numbers of ultimately worthless shares, and enjoy daily episodes of ***** and giggles while robbing all the lil' ol' Nullbear widows and spotty-faced noobs of their last ISK.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:53:00 -
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Removed an off topic post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.04.01 00:38:00 -
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Chribba wrote:It's already available, the hard part is making sure there are payouts from the shares since that is up to the corp owning the shares to actually do. But there's nothing stopping you from offering the sale of shares to people and as you make profit (if you do) pay out dividends to the share holders. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares/c *worship worship worship* Chribba for God!
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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