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seller1122
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:47:00 -
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Hey,
I've just returned to EVE after a year or so's break and am now at ends with what to do with the isk i had accumulated over the 1 year stint of living in a wh
I currently have ~ 2b in unused assets and ~ 50b in isk for which i currently have no purpose for.
Bit more info about me - I have a 100m sp main and a 90m sp alt which i pvp with. I have a 6m sp trader toon which funds all my pvp + plex so this 50b is sat there doing nothing.
I guess the crux of my question is should i be investing this liquid isk into assets to stop it being corroded away by inflation or would i be better off holding it in isk for occasions that i may need it as assets are likely to decrease as well as increase.
Also i'm not sure if i should be investing into say a spare toon or whenever into ships , modules , blueprints etc.
Any advice would be appreciated, i hear there are some good isk doubling opportunities around at the moment !!
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:18:00 -
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seller1122 wrote:I guess the crux of my question is should i be investing this liquid isk into assets to stop it being corroded away by inflation or would i be better off holding it in isk for occasions that i may need it as assets are likely to decrease as well as increase. Assets can rise and fall in value, as you say. However, isk can go both ways too.
In recent memory, inflation in EVE has been very mild. Recently, we have seen deflation across most assets and only the "special cases" like PLEX and minerals have shown inflation.
Over the long term, I would expect mild inflation to slowly devalue your isk pile and mild "power creep" to provide easier ways to source new isk to add to that pile. Therefore I would advise against holding the majority of your wealth in isk.
That said, I would recommend you keep a reasonable chunk of liquid isk for when you need it. You may consider entering in to collateralised loans with some of that liquid reserve to keep it working for you (and hopefully growing ahead of inflation) as you will be able to recover it at relatively short notice should you need it.
I would then advise that you take the majority of your wealth and sink it in to assets that you expect to appreciate over the medium to long term. Forget about the possibility of anything being a safe bet, because given enough time everything you have in EVE will be worth precisely nothing. You could choose to invest in PLEX, T2 BPOs or Ice products, all of which are either the best investment possible or a mad risk depending on who you ask. Personally, I have a bundle invested in each of those.
The most important thing to do is diversify so that if one asset class takes a dump or gets nerfed out of existance you will not be returned all the way to square one. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:46:00 -
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I should probably have asked, are you prepared to be at all active with this "spare" isk?
Because my previous advice only applies to isk that you aren't prepared to work, beyond dropping into an asset. 50B isn't at all hard to work, even with little effort, and the yield will be dramatically higher than the passive approach. |
seller1122
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:07:00 -
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ATM i have no idea what to do be it passive or active. I just have a bunch of isk lying around that isn't being touched as my trader currently provides more than enough for my in game activities. I guess if i could actively work the 50B and make enough to carry on pvping i could drop my station trading activities. What ideas or suggestions would you have ?
(Not asking for specifics as i appreciate no one will give up their secrets on how they make their iskies but some ideas would be nice! )
Thanks for your initial advice btw ! |
Kaboom Sintar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:42:00 -
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I wish I had this problem. I'm on the edge of my seat at the thought of getting some good ideas out of this thread. I hope you don't mind a Strap Hanger like me listening in. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:00:00 -
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seller1122 wrote:ATM i have no idea what to do be it passive or active. I just have a bunch of isk lying around that isn't being touched as my trader currently provides more than enough for my in game activities. I guess if i could actively work the 50B and make enough to carry on pvping i could drop my station trading activities. What ideas or suggestions would you have ? 50B is a good amount for various things.
You can certainly trade with it, but I personally have little patience for active trading. If I were to trade it, I would just be doing the same speculative trading that I advise for passive investment: Buy a load of a thing that's going to go up and sell it once it does. I would have to bow to the superior knowledge of other MDers when it comes to more active trading.
50B is certainly sufficient to set up a small reaction farm, if you are prepared to re-stock a small number of POSes with a jump freighter once a week. You would need to keep an eye on reaction profits (checking a browser based calculator each week) and switch reactions when needed (which gets easy once you've done it a few times). For someone with a dedicated trade alt the job of buying the reaction inputs and selling the outputs shouldn't be a problem at all. Reaction farms have been a staple wealth generator for JF owning PvPers for a long long time.
Also, as a trader, you may find that manufacturing dovetails well with your trade. There are a fair number of easy going options for manufacturing and if you don't care to work things out for yourself then there are some truely impressive web calculators that will tell you what to make, although the very existence and popularity of such websites can have wierd (and highly exploitable) effects on the market.
I'm sure others will put in their suggestions.
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:19:00 -
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..How much ISK does your station trading pilot actively trade with?
I would suggest you keep him funded with at least 5-10b to make meaningful profits to fund your PvP, and maybe consider trying so fold some of those profits back into his trading capital.
With that said, if you don't want to actively work that 50b in areas such as your trading alt, market speculation, reactor chains, etc., why don't you consider investing the full 50b ISK into one of Grendell's bonds that pop up from time to time? They usually offer 2% returns, which is painfully low, but that would mean 1b profit in interest each month, and Grendell's bonds might provide the lowest risk.
Great advice from Bad Bobby, as always. ..Life and times of an Emergent Pilot in HighSec. - http://rhapsodyvice.blogspot.com/ |
Enthropic
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:01:00 -
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Im trying to invest into one of those, but apparently Im not refreshing the browser fast enough. Every time I see a Grendell thread looking for investors, its already filled :P |
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