Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3480
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 01:30:00 -
[91] - Quote
Even the new Typhoon isn't symmetrical. It just looks less like a flying turd. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Illiar D'Anaari
Lassandar
20
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 01:44:00 -
[92] - Quote
Hasril Pux wrote:No, there really isn't. But it's nothing special without something wild and ridiculous to contrast it.
Atron, Condor, the old scorpion, the raven, those are, in my opinion, successful asymmetrical designs. They're interesting without being visually offensive. On the other hand, the moa and the blackbird are example of poor asymmetrical designs, in my opinion. They are awkward and pointlessly disjointed.
I understand that diversity is the spice of life, and I feel for you that you are losing something you like. But those last 2 were really just repulsive for the sake of being repulsive, and that's just bad. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1141
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 02:28:00 -
[93] - Quote
Illiar D'Anaari wrote:Hasril Pux wrote:No, there really isn't. But it's nothing special without something wild and ridiculous to contrast it. Atron, Condor, the old scorpion, the raven, those are, in my opinion, successful asymmetrical designs. They're interesting without being visually offensive. On the other hand, the moa and the blackbird are example of poor asymmetrical designs, in my opinion. They are awkward and pointlessly disjointed. I understand that diversity is the spice of life, and I feel for you that you are losing something you like. But those last 2 were really just repulsive for the sake of being repulsive, and that's just bad. I still don't understand the attractiveness of the old scorpion. I can see a case for asymmetry, but the kind of asymmetry I always preferred was in detains rather than the base hull being very lopsided. |
Illiar D'Anaari
Lassandar
20
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 02:36:00 -
[94] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Illiar D'Anaari wrote:Hasril Pux wrote:No, there really isn't. But it's nothing special without something wild and ridiculous to contrast it. Atron, Condor, the old scorpion, the raven, those are, in my opinion, successful asymmetrical designs. They're interesting without being visually offensive. On the other hand, the moa and the blackbird are example of poor asymmetrical designs, in my opinion. They are awkward and pointlessly disjointed. I understand that diversity is the spice of life, and I feel for you that you are losing something you like. But those last 2 were really just repulsive for the sake of being repulsive, and that's just bad. I still don't understand the attractiveness of the old scorpion. I can see a case for asymmetry, but the kind of asymmetry I always preferred was in detains rather than the base hull being very lopsided.
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the new design, but I can see merit in the old one. It's weird, but it's not "stupid weird", if you will. It wasn't bits and pieces stuck together to form a shapeless mass of metal. There was design in it. |
Taoist Dragon
Black Rebel Rifter Club
966
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 04:16:00 -
[95] - Quote
Lets face it any changes to 'art' direction will get people wound up from both the 'Love it' and 'hate it' camps. No one side is right as it is an aesthetic thing and very personal.
IMO the new moalooks awesome. I kinda liked the old moa but it used to bug me as I couldn't think of any practical reason for the weird shape of it. I am happy with asymmetry if it looks like it is required from a practical point of view but a lot of the asymmetrical designs just seem to have bits added to give them funky shapes IMO.
I have always like the Condor model but the placement of the engines used to bug the crap out of me around matching the vector of the thrust from the center line (which becomes your pivot point when accelerating in space) The new model finally puts it into the 'FK'ing wow" category for me. \o/ More condors on order for me already! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
612
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 11:17:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Symmetry in space is a very funny thing. Take your star destroyer for instance. If you look at it from the 2D perspective, it may seem symmetrical, but since space is a 3D environment, flip it 90 degrees to the side and try to find symmetry. Kinda not there anymore, is it? By that same standard the new Moa isn't symmetrical, so how does that logic not circulate back around preempting the argument here?
I'm not trying to argue for the beauty of symmetry or asymmetry, I am simply pointing out that symmetry in 3d space is a peculiar thing and from the point of visual perception a very limiting one, bound by our own expectations and experiences with a fixed surface. Or to rephrase it, while on the planet fluids dictate the shape of an object, in space it's purely a question of mass distribution relative to the propulsion and the strength of materials used. A spaceship may look like a plane, a ball or a scrapyard challenge - it doesn't matter, as long as it performs its duties.
That said, the question of design is always a broad one and one that does not have one answer. To me, the "new" Scorpion, Stabby or Moa are amazing while to someone else, they're abominations. Frankly, I don't care, as long as the model fits with the general theme of the race. For caldari that's highly utilitarian and military-minded, almost spartan-like. I feel that the new Moa expresses this design very well. That's all there is to it. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
390
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 15:52:00 -
[97] - Quote
If they want to keep asymmetry with the caldari, it should be along the lines of the naga and raven. The old Moa was neither spartan or utilitarian - it was just ugly. Here is hoping they can do an asymmetrical fix for the blackbird that is nice looking as well. spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP! |
Jon Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
120
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 17:11:00 -
[98] - Quote
Terribly asymmetric forms will never be justified in EVE's spaceship design and that's really because people have to be inside and operate the thing. These spaceships have human designers and need to be comfortably and easily operated by humans, and that includes an understanding of and being able to quickly move about the layout of a ship. Some ships in EVE look like they would be a nightmare to operate and move about in and there's really no reason for anything to be designed and engineered in that way. I'm not saying asymmetry can't exist in spaceship design (just look at the Millennium Falcon) but it needs to make at least a little sense.
Also, humans aren't simply going to toss out everything they know about up/down/etc. because it doesn't exist in space -- they're still going to design with a specific orientation in mind and will try to maintain that in space. |
Delhaven
Vicis Inter Astrum I'd Rather Be Roaming
27
|
Posted - 2014.05.08 18:15:00 -
[99] - Quote
The art folks at CCP pulled off the impossible: they made the Dominix look angry.
I like it.
And the other ones are nice too. |
Da Moleman
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 14:34:00 -
[100] - Quote
I must say the new designs look quite nice, but with the Moa I do like the old lopsided design just a bit better. The great thing about a lot of the Caldari ships, I feel , was the unique asymetry (sp?) they had. It gave them a readily recognizable aesthetic. Mins had duct- tape and bubble gum, Cals had A.D.D. , Quafed-up , ship designers with no depth perception and that was ok.
That being said, I still like the new designs. I just wish that both designs could co-exist ( if only for a time). Old blueprints and ships would retain original design and eventually be eliminated through use and attrition. Those that want the new design with old ships maybe could be offered a one-time refit to upgrade to the new design. This type of arrangement could keep everyone happy and create a whole new economic segment, "antique" spaceships.
Unfortunately, I do realize that this type of system will probably never materialize due to a myriad of technical reasons. I just wanted to ramble a bit.
Mission accomplished. |
|
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
15
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 21:07:00 -
[101] - Quote
Da Moleman wrote:I must say the new designs look quite nice, but with the Moa I do like the old lopsided design just a bit better. The great thing about a lot of the Caldari ships, I feel , was the unique asymetry (sp?) they had. It gave them a readily recognizable aesthetic. Mins had duct- tape and bubble gum, Cals had A.D.D. , Quafed-up , ship designers with no depth perception and that was ok.
That being said, I still like the new designs. I just wish that both designs could co-exist ( if only for a time). Old blueprints and ships would retain original design and eventually be eliminated through use and attrition. Those that want the new design with old ships maybe could be offered a one-time refit to upgrade to the new design. This type of arrangement could keep everyone happy and create a whole new economic segment, "antique" spaceships.
Unfortunately, I do realize that this type of system will probably never materialize due to a myriad of technical reasons. I just wanted to ramble a bit.
Mission accomplished.
Don't give up! I'll give you my Moa when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
|
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
187
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 21:11:00 -
[102] - Quote
So has anyone heard if they are -definitely- making the domi look like that this time? Is there any kind of official source for any of this?
Cause there are like 5 "redesigns" drawn up for that damn thing and somehow it still looks like a walrus in a garbage bag. If they aren't going to fix it i'd much rather train minmatar BS 5 to get that 'phoon. Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
749
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 21:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
I don't particularly care for the new Moa look, but it certainly is much less hideous than the old one. The rest of the ships, however are pretty damn sweet.
On the subject of ship models though, I don't like the look of the Mordu's BS, to me it looks more like it should be a carrier with that pancake hull looking like it would fit a hangar and launchpad. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
260
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 21:28:00 -
[104] - Quote
New domi looks the same to me.... That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money.... |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
36
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 22:34:00 -
[105] - Quote
Last Wolf wrote:New domi looks the same to me.... The possible future one has a pointy nose and drone bay on the top. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
249
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 22:41:00 -
[106] - Quote
Last Wolf wrote:New domi looks the same to me....
That is because there is really nothing wrong with the old one. It is just getting cleaned up a bit and a few tweaks. |
Boomtown Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
|
Posted - 2014.05.09 23:20:00 -
[107] - Quote
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:So has anyone heard if they are -definitely- making the domi look like that this time? Is there any kind of official source for any of this?
Cause there are like 5 "redesigns" drawn up for that damn thing and somehow it still looks like a walrus in a garbage bag. If they aren't going to fix it i'd much rather train minmatar BS 5 to get that 'phoon.
"CCP_BunnyVirus
The modeling of the Domi started a few back already but because of priorisation its not finished, once we get more breathing room we will come back to it and finish it asap and bring it to you guys."
So realistically, maybe the first or second patch after Kronos?
|
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
127
|
Posted - 2014.05.11 17:14:00 -
[108] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:I don't particularly care for the new Moa look, but it certainly is much less hideous than the old one. The rest of the ships, however are pretty damn sweet.
On the subject of ship models though, I don't like the look of the Mordu's BS, to me it looks more like it should be a carrier with that pancake hull looking like it would fit a hangar and launchpad. I agree but I think with the new Moa, they tried to give it a similar essence to the old one while still making it look newer and more symmetrical and just more badass. At least that's the vibe I get when I look at it. They wanted to change it but not so drastically that it looks nothing like the old one. When I look at this new one it still screams "moa" but it's a much nicer refined version. Dorian Trollmak .-á9 - 0 (2) in fucks given **** Miley Cyrus Blasters > All |
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
15
|
Posted - 2014.05.11 17:42:00 -
[109] - Quote
Dorian Tormak wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:I don't particularly care for the new Moa look, but it certainly is much less hideous than the old one. The rest of the ships, however are pretty damn sweet.
On the subject of ship models though, I don't like the look of the Mordu's BS, to me it looks more like it should be a carrier with that pancake hull looking like it would fit a hangar and launchpad. I agree but I think with the new Moa, they tried to give it a similar essence to the old one while still making it look newer and more symmetrical and just more badass. At least that's the vibe I get when I look at it. They wanted to change it but not so drastically that it looks nothing like the old one. When I look at this new one it still screams "moa" but it's a much nicer refined version.
When I look at the new Moa it screams from the wounds it received from the beautiful snow angel cookie cutter that slammed down on it from on high. I don't think it's a terrible design or anything, but it really tramples on everything the old design represented. That was my favorite hull. I hate to see it lost. So I'm going to fight to get it back one way or another when it's gone. If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request. |
Skurja Volpar
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
90
|
Posted - 2014.05.11 19:03:00 -
[110] - Quote
Typhoon is my favorite ship hull, and I've always thought if they changed it drastically I'd go apeshit, but I must say the new one looks pretty damn cool, a kind of phoon meets hel, but still a hardy space dustbin. God bless the art team.
Less happy with the moa, going to miss the little fella. |
|
Olteonz Nava'el
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.05.11 20:52:00 -
[111] - Quote
What about the turd on a stick we all love(hate), Imicus? |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
136
|
Posted - 2014.05.12 20:38:00 -
[112] - Quote
I'm really liking the new Typhoon and Dominix. They keep their general shape while getting new style. Love them! |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1354
|
Posted - 2014.05.14 23:07:00 -
[113] - Quote
I dont like the need to make everythign simmetrical.
Simmetry soudns poor and bland and uninteresting.
Surely the moa was a bit TOO odd. But perfectly simmetrical ships sux. Even the antennas are symetrical :( "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
636
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 20:34:00 -
[114] - Quote
I do like that Dominix. It still retains it's look but with a meaner looking nose to it. -// Public Fleets: http://fleet-up.com/Operation/Public //- |
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
24
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 22:29:00 -
[115] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:I dont like the need to make everythign simmetrical.
Simmetry soudns poor and bland and uninteresting.
Surely the moa was a bit TOO odd. But perfectly simmetrical ships sux. Even the antennas are symmetrical :(
I agree. I just want to point out that if you look carefully at the bottom of the ship there is a tiny amount of asymmetry thrown in. An odd little nod to off balance design.
That aside, it's not really symmetry or asymmetry that makes a ship interesting. It's imagination. I've seen the imaginative original designs get watered down considerably. Especially in the Caldari line which is being redesigned under some kind of restrictive ship design doctrine which seems to throw out the abstract, horrid and cold irregularity of military efficiency in favor of aesthetic appeal. Sure, the new Moa is "cool," but it doesn't inspire my imagination. It looks like a luxury space yacht with guns, not a solid military weapon that is completely departed from human sympathy.
I am going to miss the old Moa like nothing else that has ever disappeared from this game. It offered a dark contrast, like jagged, black charcoal on a whitewash of elegance.
Once it's gone I will continue to fight for a way to bring it back with gratuitous self-promotion of my own thread regarding this issue. Assuming you can see it past the gratuitous developer stickys. Damn, those people have been busy! If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request. |
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
74
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 01:12:00 -
[116] - Quote
Hasril Pux wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:I dont like the need to make everythign simmetrical.
Simmetry soudns poor and bland and uninteresting.
Surely the moa was a bit TOO odd. But perfectly simmetrical ships sux. Even the antennas are symmetrical :( I agree. I just want to point out that if you look carefully at the bottom of the ship there is a tiny amount of asymmetry thrown in. An odd little nod to off balance design. That aside, it's not really symmetry or asymmetry that makes a ship interesting. It's imagination. I've seen the imaginative original designs get watered down considerably. Especially in the Caldari line which is being redesigned under some kind of restrictive ship design doctrine which seems to throw out the abstract, horrid and cold irregularity of military efficiency in favor of aesthetic appeal. Sure, the new Moa is "cool," but it doesn't inspire my imagination. It looks like a luxury space yacht with guns, not a solid military weapon that is completely departed from human sympathy. I am going to miss the old Moa like nothing else that has ever disappeared from this game. It offered a dark contrast, like jagged, black charcoal on a whitewash of elegance. Once it's gone I will continue to fight for a way to bring it back with gratuitous self-promotion of my own thread regarding this issue. Assuming you can see it past the gratuitous developer stickys. Damn, those people have been busy! irregular mass distribution, ship layout, and propulsion scales are the very model of military efficiency. |
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
24
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 01:23:00 -
[117] - Quote
You never know what's going on inside that ship. It could be that the irregularity fits the ships internal mass with the engines distributed to compensate with utmost efficiency. It's not like it's made for atmospheric flight or anything.
But if we want to talk about realistic efficiency in EVE of all places, then we should talk about all those engines constantly burning away, producing asstons of unnecessary heat. If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request. |
Claud Tiberius
37
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 02:34:00 -
[118] - Quote
I don't think I like the new Moa. There is too much emphasis on the "wing" size, and the smooth back that lowers down to the engine exhausts, I'm not really buying it. Maybe it has too much swan and not enough space "tankyness". It's hard to say when it gets finished, if I will like it more then the old Moa.
The Condor (and higher metas) looks much better, though stacking the missile turrets (on the wings), instead of putting them side-by-side, parallel with the wing was a bad decision. Then again, I think its silly to have massive extruding missile turrets on a small ship anyway. Still I am optimistic the ship will still look good. Unfortunately because it is a frigate, I don't think it will impact my experience very much.
The Typhoon looks awesome. The Domi looks awesome.
They are both massive improvements.
Reflecting on this now, I am feeling a bit pissed off:
First in Rubicon, the crappy Golem-duck model, with broken wings. Now the not-so-great Moa swan. Meanwhile Minmatar and Gallente get two awesome and massive improvements (they are BS), the SOE are in a nice place and the upcoming Legion ships look like they will impress as well.
I feel like Caldari is moving in the opposite direction, trying to follow this animal theme, when instead they should go the same path as the Domi and Typhoon has. Less animal and more ship like. Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end. |
Lashmur
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 08:32:00 -
[119] - Quote
I'd like to say, as someone that flies condor/crow/moa/gila on a regular basis, i think the new models are beautiful. Caldari are a military faction for gawd sakes, and they would definitely be designing ships with efficiency increasing in mind - eg. symmetry, and conformity. I think that the new designs look bad-ass, and will be buying a big stack of each shortly! Yes i understand how space works, and that symmetry and aerodynamic design are unnecessary, but i think that in terms of fluff, the designs fit in perfectly. +1 CCP |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
280
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 09:59:00 -
[120] - Quote
These new ship models look great, all of them.
Well done CCP! Don't Panic.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |