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Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:38:00 -
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Ok so i just came back to eve and im having trouble finding a recent build for the nightmare my skills are decent but not close to perfect so extra tank wouldn't hurt me. Also i would like to stay on the subject of nightmares because i have one and don have the isk to buy anything else. Also on that note if we could keep the item cost under a billion that would be great as well but still list the best so i know what to upgrade. Thanks for the feedback also im mainly in caldari space but i can move if missions are better for lasers somewhere else. I plan on staying in high sec for awhile till i have a bank roll o fall back on. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
43
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:15:00 -
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Pirate ships are getting a balance pass, might want to read the thread in the features and idea forums. |
Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:55:00 -
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Hmm read the original post its a long discussion... Doesn't seem like the nightmare is being hurt or anything unless im missing something (possible Ive been out of the game for about 2 years).
Found this i think this is what u were talking about:
NIGHTMARE
Amarr Battleship Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret tracking speed
Caldari Battleship Bonus: 30% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus (was 5% energy turret damage)
Role Bonus: 150% bonus to Large Energy Turret damage (was 100% energy turret damage) NOTE: it's been requested that I point here that this is the same total damage bonus as the ship had prior to the change. (1.25 (25% bonus) * 2.00 (100% bonus) = 2.50 (150% bonus))
Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 6L(+1); 4 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 14500 PWG, 710 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 10550(+815) / 8650(-45) / 8200(-60) Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 6950 / 1154000ms(-875) / 6.0 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 114(+20) / .122(-.014) / 99300000 / 17.76s(-1.9) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets):80km / 110(+10) / 7 Sensor strength: 28 Signature radius: 370(-30) |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
864
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:57:00 -
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From memory
[Nightmare, Missions] Heat Sink II True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II
EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II X-Large Shield Booster II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
The fancy deadspace boosters are nice if you can afford them |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. Constructive. Criticism.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 23:12:00 -
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Moraugh wrote:Hmm read the original post its a long discussion... Doesn't seem like the nightmare is being hurt or anything unless im missing something (possible Ive been out of the game for about 2 years).
actually for missions and incursions i think its getting a nice buff, when u r like me cald bs 5 u fly faster with an ab than with your mwd. That means u wont get mwd cap penalties hell i like it |
Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.22 23:23:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Moraugh wrote:Hmm read the original post its a long discussion... Doesn't seem like the nightmare is being hurt or anything unless im missing something (possible Ive been out of the game for about 2 years).
actually for missions and incursions i think its getting a nice buff, when u r like me cald bs 5 u fly faster with an ab than with your mwd. That means u wont get mwd cap penalties hell i like it
any info u could share on builds? |
Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.23 00:16:00 -
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added what i already had lying around from back in the day if these items are out of favor please let me know |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
867
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:23:00 -
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Moraugh wrote:Ok so i just came back to eve and im having trouble finding a recent build for the nightmare my skills are decent but not close to perfect so extra tank wouldn't hurt me. Also i would like to stay on the subject of nightmares because i have one and don have the isk to buy anything else. Also on that note if we could keep the item cost under a billion that would be great as well but still list the best so i know what to upgrade. Thanks for the feedback also im mainly in caldari space but i can move if missions are better for lasers somewhere else. I plan on staying in high sec for awhile till i have a bank roll o fall back on.
So far i think ive got this: (any info would help (excluding saying use the faction version that costs 100x as much because it makes u cool))
Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II -------------------------- (unsure)
-------------------------- (unsure) AB of some type prolly just a 100mn AB 2 -------------------------- (unsure) -------------------------- (unsure) Sensor Booster 2, Scan resolution script Tracking Computer II. Tracking speed Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L / Scorch L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L / Scorch L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L / Scorch L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L / Scorch L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I - Already in the ship from 2 years ago (is this still good) Large Core Defense Field Extender I - Already in the ship from 2 years ago (is this still good) Large Anti-ThermalScreen Reinforcer II - Already in the ship from 2 years ago (is this still good)
I wouldn't use extender rigs for missions. The resist rig is fine. You need an active tank. Pretty much active hardeners and a shield booster. Either fit rigs that support your cap, resist, or DPS
I prefer 4 heat sinks and a TE but you can do 3 a TE and a DC. Keep in mind the Nightmare is getting another low slot soon.
Oh btw good luck getting Scorch ammo into Tachyon Beam Lasers |
Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
0
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:11:00 -
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IIshira wrote:I wouldn't use extender rigs for missions. The resist rig is fine. You need an active tank. Pretty much active hardeners and a shield booster. Either fit rigs that support your cap, resist, or DPS I prefer 4 heat sinks and a TE but you can do 3 a TE and a DC. Keep in mind the Nightmare is getting another low slot soon. Oh btw good luck getting Scorch ammo into Tachyon Beam Lasers I edited my fit above to show what I saved in Eve. After the new patch I'm going to try a pulse AB setup so all this may change.
lol woops i had them lying around and just threw them over didnt really think about it :-) thanks for your advice |
Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
0
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Posted - 2014.05.23 06:28:00 -
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Well just realized im 22 days away from the skill to use the shield tanking mods since i was using an apoc before :-/ |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
867
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Posted - 2014.05.23 07:01:00 -
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Moraugh wrote:Well just realized im 22 days away from the skill to use the shield tanking mods since i was using an apoc before :-/ That's not too bad. Get some implants for intelligence and memory if you don't already have them. You can probably cut this time down somewhat by using faction/deadspace mods but if you plan on using the Nightmare you might as well bite the bullet since the skills will help your tank |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. Constructive. Criticism.
102
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Posted - 2014.05.23 11:56:00 -
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Moraugh wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Moraugh wrote:Hmm read the original post its a long discussion... Doesn't seem like the nightmare is being hurt or anything unless im missing something (possible Ive been out of the game for about 2 years).
actually for missions and incursions i think its getting a nice buff, when u r like me cald bs 5 u fly faster with an ab than with your mwd. That means u wont get mwd cap penalties hell i like it any info u could share on builds?
first of i have to say my math was incorrect now that i have kronos stats in eft. ab is only 867m/s compared to mwd with 1037. 2nd i fly incursions when i need isk so i dont have a mission fit.
[Nightmare, Incursion] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
On paper it looks reasonable, the xfers m |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:40:00 -
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why still use Beam if your nightmare have capable of high speed so you can keep target within pulse range? |
Moraugh
Low Tax Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.23 16:41:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Moraugh wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Moraugh wrote:Hmm read the original post its a long discussion... Doesn't seem like the nightmare is being hurt or anything unless im missing something (possible Ive been out of the game for about 2 years).
actually for missions and incursions i think its getting a nice buff, when u r like me cald bs 5 u fly faster with an ab than with your mwd. That means u wont get mwd cap penalties hell i like it any info u could share on builds? first of i have to say my math was incorrect now that i have kronos stats in eft. ab is only 867m/s compared to mwd with 1037. 2nd i fly incursions when i need isk so i dont have a mission fit. [Nightmare, Incursion] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 On paper it looks reasonable, the xfers m
hmm confused by ur fit to be honest its prolly the fact that ive been out of the game so long firstly dont the tracking computer scripts cancel each other out? because they are -100% +100% so ur fit is the same as if u ran no scripts?? Also u have no actual healing just the 2 adaptive invuls im unfamiliar with incursions but i thought they were even harder and u can get away with that? plus not getting instapopped in low sec? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1094
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Posted - 2014.05.23 18:53:00 -
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Moraugh wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Moraugh wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Moraugh wrote:Hmm read the original post its a long discussion... Doesn't seem like the nightmare is being hurt or anything unless im missing something (possible Ive been out of the game for about 2 years).
actually for missions and incursions i think its getting a nice buff, when u r like me cald bs 5 u fly faster with an ab than with your mwd. That means u wont get mwd cap penalties hell i like it any info u could share on builds? first of i have to say my math was incorrect now that i have kronos stats in eft. ab is only 867m/s compared to mwd with 1037. 2nd i fly incursions when i need isk so i dont have a mission fit. [Nightmare, Incursion] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 On paper it looks reasonable, the xfers m hmm confused by ur fit to be honest its prolly the fact that ive been out of the game so long firstly dont the tracking computer scripts cancel each other out? because they are -100% +100% so ur fit is the same as if u ran no scripts?? Also u have no actual healing just the 2 adaptive invuls im unfamiliar with incursions but i thought they were even harder and u can get away with that? plus not getting instapopped in low sec?
The stacking penalties on apply to module affacting the same stats so you get 2 level of stacking from the scripted TC instead of 4.
Incursion ships use no local reps because it's the job of the Logi to give you your HP back. |
Albert Madullier
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
15
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Posted - 2014.05.31 09:26:00 -
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mjd
tachyon beams
shield repper
the rest is up to you, why ppl are posting fits with tachyons but no mjd is beyond me, keep range and gank them npc's |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15696
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Posted - 2014.05.31 11:23:00 -
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unidenify wrote:interesting fit,
I can drive Nightmare, but my energy weapon skill is subpar at moment.
You really need good turret skills to make the Nightmare shine. Most especially I'd say train Controlled Bursts V, because continuously firing Tachs guzzles an amazing amount of cap. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15696
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Posted - 2014.05.31 11:26:00 -
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Albert Madullier wrote:mjd
tachyon beams
shield repper
the rest is up to you, why ppl are posting fits with tachyons but no mjd is beyond me, keep range and gank them npc's
Because you want to be using that fat tracking bonus and staying in Multifreq or even Gleam range as much as possible. The Afterbonus will be very useful for this.
Tanking Nightmares for missions is already fairly simple: you burn everything that shoots at you to ash before it can do much damage. The mobility bonus will only amplify this. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15696
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Posted - 2014.05.31 12:04:00 -
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And before anyone complains about me recommending Semis over CCC rigs, do the maths.
Semis give you 18 cap/s at peak recharge plus an extra 5099 units of cap every time you undock - equivalent to carrying an extra 6.3 free cap 800 charges with you. That's a pretty nice buffer to have when you're in a ship that lives or dies on its capacitor.
CCCs give you an extra 3.7 cap/s at peak recharge compared to semis; that means you've got to be at peak recharge for 23 minutes before you've received more cap from CCC rigs
A T2 and a T1 Elutration rig will save you 13.6 cap/s while you're firing, plus 4.4 from a CCC rig; that's exactly the same performance as the Semis, but you don't get than nice 5k extra buffer and that cap is only available to your turrets.
Semis are just better for mission ships that redock frequently. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
731
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:18:00 -
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Albert Madullier wrote:mjd
tachyon beams
shield repper
the rest is up to you, why ppl are posting fits with tachyons but no mjd is beyond me, keep range and gank them npc's
If you want MJD and tachs, use a Palladin. |
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1987
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
I'd probably go with something like:
[Nightmare, New Setup 1] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II
Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Salvager II Small Tractor Beam II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Drones to taste.
this is a solid fit and you will have no problems with it. personally, i prefer some more pimp to reach some stretch goals. the following fit is somewhat expensive but also has improved warp speed and extended drone range. (it's almost cap stable for maximum laziness.) for missions with gate travel, i still have enough fitting left to switch one tracking computer to a prop mod:
[Nightmare, lvl4]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Dark Blood Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dark Blood Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dark Blood Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Dark Blood Tachyon Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1146
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Posted - 2014.06.01 19:23:00 -
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Lose the cap booster and SBA, go with a Gist -XL-B, C-type mission specific hardeners, and a faction invuln. You're gonna want 4 heat sinks, and 3 tracking comps.
Faction AB for the bonus.
Don't even think a about cap stable.
And fit it up on the test server to be sure its not too flimsy.
Looks like you will NEED shield hardening rigs, and I wouldn't fly that ship without thermodynamics 4 for the tank.
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Starlight Kouvo
Howl at the Moon
9
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:04:00 -
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I run a T2 Pulse fit with Scorch and an assortment of other crystals. An Afterburner and a nice selection of resistance amps and shield booster. 4 Heatsinks and a tracking enhancer in the lows.
With the new version coming it will be even better with the AB boost :)
Optimal out to 50km (Scorch) Radio hits out to 60-70km Pops most frigs in 1 or 2 shots, any frigs that get too close to track just stick some light drones on them.
Loads of CAP, pulses make it easy mode , Beams will do more damage at range but require lots of tracking help.
I have fun in my fit anyway |
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