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GLi7ch
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Posted - 2006.06.04 00:40:00 -
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thats a hard one ,if i stil hav ammo and hit points im not gonna jsu lay down and die cuz u never know how much ammo/ cap ur enemy has left
but the only thing i would pay on is my ship seeing as how i dont put isk into implants im likely to lose anyway (solo frig pirate) so losing my pod is jus a free trip home
so i suppose if i were empty on ammo and was held down and all tha moons of saturn are aligned to tru north and yata yata yata i woudl pay
but waht are tha chances of all taht happening
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.04 00:50:00 -
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Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
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kublai
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:39:00 -
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I'd pay a ransom to another pirate if I was flying anything worth it, an anti pirate thou? no way i'm taking your word for ****.
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Soren
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:49:00 -
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There's been times when I knew I was dead and offered isk to stay alive (it's such a PITA to get/fit a new ship, esp when I was outlaw), they usually just killed me.
I don't care about losses anymore and wouldn't pay ransoms unless it was well worth it for me. ☠-->-->--
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Silthis Marna
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
Blah.
If you were to go hunting in a corner of space I like, you can be assured you're going to get an "anti-pirate" group hunting you. If you start playing stupid log off games or smack talking in local, you deserve every podding you receive.
Not all pirate hunting groups are pro-podding. Be a gentleman about the defeat, and we'll most probably let your pod go. Unfortunately it's not possible to control the itchy trigger finger of every pilot in that group, but podding is generally frowned upon.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:33:00 -
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Depends on the situation. And if the ransom is resonable.
Though most of the time I'm in a PVP fit and am only engaged in PVP situations that I choose to be, so there's little time for small talk.
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
As far as I'm concerned you're all Captain Morgan and I'm the British Navy!
Die ebil pirate scum!!
Captain Sir Henry Morgan? Whom the Royal Navy proclaimed profound ignorance about whilst he sacked the Spanish repeatedly?
"If God be for us, whom can be against us?" |
Jin Masaru
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing Yes, if I honestly believed the ransomer would honor it. In my experience, anti-pirates are much less honorable in these stakes than pirates ever will be. Maybe its because its not their living.
This sums it up nicely. ---- "There comes a time when a man must spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats." - H. L. Mencken |
Morrigan Starlover
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
It is a bad thing to pay a ransom. I've never been ransomed. People have gotten me down to structure and asked politely for money, but i've never empowered them by negotiating. If you attack me I attack you. If you stop attacking me, I'll continue to attack you. Even if I can't break your tank, ill sit there attacking you afk. I pay as much as you do, I play the way I want to. So I dont recognize ransoms. If you attack its a fight. If you stop attacking and start some asking for payment nonsense, its just nonsense.
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Yual
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:25:00 -
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I think what the poster is trying to ask is: All the pirates out there who keep saying "Trust us, stay calm, pay the ransom, and you'll be fine" if you were given the other side of your deal would you pay?
And a LOT of pirates said... no.
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Milo Deadstar
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:23:00 -
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I would pay a fellow pirate but no way to paying anti-pies..
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Silthis Marna
Blah.
If you were to go hunting in a corner of space I like, you can be assured you're going to get an "anti-pirate" group hunting you. If you start playing stupid log off games or smack talking in local, you deserve every podding you receive.
Not all pirate hunting groups are pro-podding. Be a gentleman about the defeat, and we'll most probably let your pod go. Unfortunately it's not possible to control the itchy trigger finger of every pilot in that group, but podding is generally frowned upon.
Pile of Crap.
Every single anti pirate group I've fought, and there are MANY, have podded on defeat. No questions asked, no matter how civil I've been in local.
I call your bluff on that one.
VETO RECRUITMENT |
welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/06/2006 12:01:31
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
It's not an anti-pirates job to ransom you though is it? It's an anti-pirates job to rid the universe of pirate scum!
Whether theres honour in it or not, its still a service to the neutral entities in Eve.
At the end of the day, you shoot innocents for the sake of it, we don't.
I don't care of course, its all fun roleplay to me and I admire you lot for upholding the pirate profession.
i just wish the game catered more for the anti-pirate sometimes. :(
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Tityana
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:05:00 -
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Has any pirate actually been ransomed? I know i certainly have never been given the opportunity! I guess the 'fame' of the killmail of certain players/corps overrides the attraction of iskies?
Dont bother me.... SHOPPING!
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Vitoria Julii
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Posted - 2006.06.04 15:37:00 -
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No, I wouldnt pay a ransom to save my ship. I generally have spares available, and if I was worried about losing my ship I wouldn't have risked it in the first place. Also, its not often I ransom people. I have to admit I far prefer just killing out of hand.
Oh, and a word to the newer players: If you are offered a ransom, remember that its rarely a negotiation, and normally an ultimatum.
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Dumus
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Posted - 2006.06.04 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Deadstar I would pay a fellow pirate but no way to paying anti-pies..
QFT [center]Rookie pirate?click the sig |
Kelron Queldine
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Posted - 2006.06.04 21:27:00 -
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I would pay a ransom to anyone provided it was reasonable and better economically than losing my ship. Not that I've ever been offered the chance to pay, except once when I asked if I could, but they didn't like my offer. ---------------------------
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Xhieron
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Posted - 2006.06.04 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Xhieron on 04/06/2006 22:27:00 Thanks everyone for the discussion. I thought about doing some redirection here, but thought better of it. I'm going to start a new thread instead, to continue the discussion in a similar direction. I'd like to see some clarification on some of what's been said, so I hope some who have made specific claims will be willing to provide more evidence there.
X.
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Stubnitz
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Posted - 2006.06.04 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus
Originally by: Milo Deadstar I would pay a fellow pirate but no way to paying anti-pies..
QFT
im a young pirate and this struck a cord ^^
all i can add is, well QFT...
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.05 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
If you knew who his main was you'd understand.
Thanks for the rhetorical comment there, I guess I dont get to find out? Postin with alts ftl.
Alas!
Izo Azlion. Sha Kharn.
Ascendant Frontier ---
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Yual I think what the poster is trying to ask is: All the pirates out there who keep saying "Trust us, stay calm, pay the ransom, and you'll be fine" if you were given the other side of your deal would you pay?
And a LOT of pirates said... no.
The reason a ransom would even be viable is if the target is flying something they simple cannot or would rather not lose. Most pirates are used to loss and will never fly something they can't easily replace. That is what seperates pirates from the fodder.
Honestly, I can't even tell you how many stupid, stupid people I've "caught with their pants down" in low sec. With ships that can't be insured (T2) or ships that have fittings worth well over the price of the actual ship are easily ransomed.
That's all. I always honor ransoms when they are asked of me.
As long as it's reasonable of course.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.06.05 10:23:00 -
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The only time I would ever pay a ransom is if I was NPC'ing in 0.0. The work and dullness of getting a new ship outfitted and flown out there (whereever 'there' may be) would make me pay.
If I ever got ransomed back while an enemy, no way would I pay the ransom. This is due to a couple of reasons:
#1. First of all, I would never trust a guy that I attacked, to be honorable when it comes to ransoming me back.
#2. I'm always in a combat fitted ship, and the only way someone would get a chance to ransom me, would if they blobbed me to hell and jammed me to hell and back. Otherwise I'd fight 'till the end. If they did blob me, I'd rather self-destruct tbh.
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:34:00 -
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I Cant see myself ransoming a pirate unless of course it was somthing like a capital ship or a faction battelship.. And even then.. it would be irresponsible to leave such a ship in pierat hands
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Silthis Marna
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Posted - 2006.06.05 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Silthis Marna on 05/06/2006 12:36:39
Originally by: Verone
Every single anti pirate group I've fought, and there are MANY, have podded on defeat. No questions asked, no matter how civil I've been in local.
I call your bluff on that one.
Well, I'm not a voice for my corp, and I can't speak for my alliance. However, I do know what the expected operational behaviour is.
Consider why some pirates pod a pilot. There is no financial gain in doing so. A lot of "anti-pirate" groups do it for the same reason as a pirate. The anti-piracy tag comes as some sort of rationalisation for what is piracy painted a different colour.
That pod can't harm anyone, and raising the stakes only escalates the response. The immediate risk to local pilots is now gone. Consider that from the perspective of a group that wishes just to be left alone in a corner of space.
I see your bluff, and raise it a counter-argument
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:51:00 -
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Quote: The anti-piracy tag comes as some sort of rationalisation for what is piracy painted a different colour.
That's completely false. Anti-pirates don't hug gates and blow away every noob and hauler they see. Anti-pirates only hunt pirates, hence the name.
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Lakota
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Posted - 2006.06.06 03:29:00 -
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IMO Anti-Pies are likely more interested in killboards than isk. I probably wouldn't take it. Would rather just buy a new ship than risk the humiliation of not only paying the isk, but listening to some self-rightous anti-pie gloat about cheating me.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.06 17:53:00 -
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I would never offer or pay a ransom.
It just awkward and pointless for both sides. Most people won't pay through pride and those that do might well be hiding good mods. Plus the lucky dip sensation of the can is always more fun, even if it usually is junk.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.06 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Thanks for the rhetorical comment there, I guess I dont get to find out? Postin with alts ftl.
Alas!
Posting with alts? One can roleplay two different characters ffs. I post with this character and my other simply where it seems appropriate, it is not an attempt at deception or hiding behind different alias. And I have said who my other character is on these forums before so it's not a huge secret. ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.06.07 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
I'd never ransom a pirate. Pop or get popped is what I'd expect.
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.06.07 11:35:00 -
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I've been ransomed by pirates before and I paid when the price was right. I was also ransomed by Psycarne and Lhodi who asked 15 mil for my pod (my clone cost 2.1 mil and I had no implants, the 15 mil would have covered ship and clone). Obviously there was no point in me paying that much.
I did refuse ransoms though. The last time that happened, I stupidly accepted a 1 vs 1. I was nossed to death and brought to 1/4 armor then ransomed a very low price compared to what I would have lost on the ship. Do you think I paid someone who first calls a 1 vs 1 then ransoms me when he sees he's winning? (I am happy to remember ALL my t2 fittings have blown up, I think the guy was left with a MAR t2 and t2 ammo worth about 500k.)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=318428Integrated modules & cargo scanner 4 pirates |
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