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Xhieron
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:22:00 -
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A little curiosity before work here:
To all of the self-respecting pirates out there, if you went after a mark and he got the best of you--and then ransomed you for the price you would normally ask for your ship, would you pay?
I ask because I've been thinking about ransoming a lot lately. It's always a hot topic here, and probably the vast and overwhelming majority of my non-corp friends are pirates. I'll admit I've pirated before, and anti-pirated, but in general I take no one side over the other. I think of things more in "shades of gray." For myself though, unless I believe a ransom is overwhelmingly cheap, I cannot say I would pay one. And the decision doesn't even get made on an economic level. Obviously under most circumstances, any pirate whose worth anything will ransom at an amount that is cheaper to pay than to replace the ship's mods and insurance gap.
I don't fit stabs either. I fit to fight (even when I'm mining I put a scrambler on), and if I lose a fight, I've lost. The mechanics of the game are already set up to handle that. I see ransoming as a kind of griefing--and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner. I've done it myself (it's a lot of fun, I admit ), and it's a perfectly legitimate practice. My friends do it; more power to them. But I see not paying more as a manner of re-griefing than as a matter of pride or money (After all, if I'm flying it, I can afford to replace it). I.e., if I'm going to lose my ship, then I'm going to make it as hard on you to turn a profit on me as possible. If you engage me, then you get to roll the dice to see if the handful of modules that I have that are worth anything get dropped instead of annihilated.
But my personal view is moot here, and the arguments to that end have been done. That horse is beginning to stink now, so put the clubs away. What I want to know is, for the pirates--and tell the truth here--would you pay a ransom if one of your targets got the best of you? Nevermind if you're flying a T1 frig here; suppose you're flying your ship of choice, whatever it is. Would you pay the ransom?
I think there's more that goes into a single ransom incident than money or even pride, and I'm curious how everyone (even the poor dolt in his Velator who wandered out to 0.3 and got nuked) thinks about things when things are reversed.
Thanks for the feedback.
X.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:25:00 -
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I'd never pay a ransom.
I'm a rich bugger and I can always buy a new ship. I've never seen dignity for salw on the market though
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:30:00 -
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yes, if I feel its reasonable and trustworthy I pay my own ransom. I wouldnt do it if I didnt like the guy and/or I didnt care atm. But heck, if someone actually ever would ransom and its all what I said above, I pay.
But to an anti-pirate? hmm to many times I heard they dont honor anything to pirates (some of em) cause one is a pirate. Then again if they would ransom then I atleast can say to the guy, YOU ARE PIRATE!!!
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:39:00 -
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Quote: would you pay?
If paying the ransom was better economically than dying to him, then yes i would pay it.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:41:00 -
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Yes, if I honestly believed the ransomer would honor it. In my experience, anti-pirates are much less honorable in these stakes than pirates ever will be. Maybe its because its not their living.
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:56:00 -
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the amount of time it takes me to get a new ship...bloody right i would
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:59:00 -
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usually im better off letting the insurance pay up. if that wasn't the case, i would pay unless the randsomer was known not to honor them ---------
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:06:00 -
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This has happened to me once, I was flying an enyo and went up aganist an eagle...
I didn't pay because the intended victim asked me for 50 million, and to be honest I probably would have paid for the fun of it, if the price had been a bit lower.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:30:00 -
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Would I hell ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
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Lojik
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:15:00 -
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i never fight in anything i cant afford to loose so good luck getting a ransom out of me
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Psycarne Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
Izo Azlion. Sha Kharn.
Ascendant Frontier ---
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing Yes, if I honestly believed the ransomer would honor it. In my experience, anti-pirates are much less honorable in these stakes than pirates ever will be. Maybe its because its not their living.
Precisely. They see you as the "dirty pirate who needs to die" the only reason they would ransom you is to get a laugh and pop you anyway. If I were caught by a potential target of mine, I might though.
But then again, I don't fly things I can't lose and I only ransom people who ask for it really.
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Quebber
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:11:00 -
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in a word.... no
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:31:00 -
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If the other guy was being cool and mature about it, I would.
If he's being a moron, I'd go down with the ship. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn
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odin323
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:42:00 -
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i'm not a pirate yet, but i want to.
after reading all your guy's replies. i would say that to be respectful i would. cause i mean, i though i could take this guy and he just comes out ad destroyes me. thats my messup. dude should get something.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
If you knew who his main was you'd understand.
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Gen Kumon
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:03:00 -
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I have before, and I would in the future...as long as it's antoher actual pirate, and not an anti-pirate. I've been burned too many times by anti-pirates who think that pirates are second-class players, and because of that, they can do whatever dishonorable thing they want and not have it count.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gen Kumon I have before, and I would in the future...as long as it's antoher actual pirate, and not an anti-pirate. I've been burned too many times by anti-pirates who think that pirates are second-class players, and because of that, they can do whatever dishonorable thing they want and not have it count.
Well in a role playing sense wouldn't you agree that thats a good thing?
As far as I'm concerned you're all Captain Morgan and I'm the British Navy!
Die ebil pirate scum!!
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I've never seen dignity for salw on the market though
lmao, rly ?.... I sold mine for 10isk a year back.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:44:00 -
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Quote: Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped
Why would someone who is role playing an intransigent murderer be mug enough to pay a ransom? I ransom people, but I don't take it for granted that they have to pay, it is their decision. There is a role play aspect to the game you know. I would sooner lose an uninsured titan than pay a ransom.
And yeah, as Welsh implied, IÆve been pirate hunting since 2003 on my other account so it would go against the grain. I would rather lose more and come back later to kill the people who tried to ransom me. Pirate killer first, pirate second.
And I was just answering the OP with objectivity. Not everyone is going to respond in the same way. ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:53:00 -
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I live by the sword and i die by the sword. I will NEVER pay a ransom, i will go down with a fight and take out as many i can before i die. I live for the fight, and they day i put myselfe in a situation were i can't handle it i will die with my dignity intact.
Long live the fighters
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:58:00 -
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As soon as I buy a ship/mod I write them off as lost, so I don't think I would. If and when it happens I will see.
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
And yes ure in carebear ASCN now stfu and go and mine some veld.. Back to topic again, and as i just said. NEVER no way in hell. I fight untill i die, and i die with a smile on my face knowing that ill get my revenge on day
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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:09:00 -
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i've only paid a ransom once, and thats cuz my pod was in high sec. i havent paid a single ransom since, and i never will
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Yarrmageddon
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:37:00 -
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Today I jumped into a gatecamp consisting of a couple of battleships with my tiny little Rax. I was about to ask for ransom before I became visible.
Luckily, they were engaging someone else before invisibility wore off and I could insta out.
But generally, yeah. Pirating is business and if I lose less money by paying, I would.
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Lady Ariness
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:48:00 -
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I got offered a ransom for my Brutix once when I kept losing connection when these two pirates had attacked me. I decided not to pay and fought my way out (started with 10% hull).
If someone offered me a ransom I probably wouldn't accept unless it made financial sense to me, which means it wouldn't make finanacial sense to them (I lose about 3-4m per ship) -----
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ZuN3
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Posted - 2006.06.03 20:00:00 -
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I would. As long as I think they'll actually honour it.
Simply because I hate losing ships, I don't have stockpiles of them, and it's ******* annoying (especially as a -10) to buy and fit a new ship).
No, I do not have a haler alt.
Yes, I have friends with hauler alts who buy things for me, but still. It's annoying not having a ship for that amount of time.
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Shot Callista
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Posted - 2006.06.03 20:07:00 -
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Yes if i'm flying a t2 ship and the amount is reasonable, purely because of the amount I can lose on insurance. No if I'm in t1, I never fly anything I can't replace already (And that means not relying on insurance payouts) ---
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.06.03 21:13:00 -
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deffinatly. I'm very lazy so hate getting new ships.
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.03 22:35:00 -
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Live by the sword, die by the sword...
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