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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
861
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:01:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.
If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.
Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made. It was ignored because piracy holds no appeal to me in a game. I play games as an avenue of escape from the real world, not to just extend my real life into them. I thought that was why piracy was so rampant in Eve. People pretending they are criminals because they never had the stones to do it in real life.
Unless you're actually a pirate IRL, I'm not really sure what your point is supposed to be. You seem to be seeking pewpew, piracy is pewpew, what is unappealing about that? "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1185
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:01:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.
If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.
Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made. It was ignored because piracy holds no appeal to me in a game. I play games as an avenue of escape from the real world, not to just extend my real life into them. I thought that was why piracy was so rampant in Eve. People pretending they are criminals because they never had the stones to do it in real life.
Fair enough. Sounds like you didn't come here for answers, you came here to complain. Feel free to contract me your assets before you unsub. Have a nice life. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:02:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Ding ding ding!
Now that you've had this stunning revelation, what steps could you potentially take to alter your situation to your benefit?
I'll take the simplest option.
Walk away. To a better game. Take it easy bro. |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:03:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Unless you're actually a pirate IRL, I'm not really sure what your point is supposed to be. You seem to be seeking pewpew, piracy is pewpew, what is unappealing about that?
Beating up a kid is not getting into a fight.
See the difference?
Of course not. |
Ashwind Houssa
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:04:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote: Fair enough. Sounds like you didn't come here for answers, you came here to complain. Feel free to contract me your assets before you unsub. Have a nice life.
This was a complaint, and also some form of search for a touch of guidance.
I got the answers I sought. Thanks for your suggestions, it helped me see that this game isn't for me. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
861
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:07:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Unless you're actually a pirate IRL, I'm not really sure what your point is supposed to be. You seem to be seeking pewpew, piracy is pewpew, what is unappealing about that?
Beating up a kid is not getting into a fight. See the difference? Of course not.
Not really sure why you think piracy == beating up a kid.
Most or all of your whining seems to revolve around a lot of misconceptions that you adamantly believe to be fact.
Quote:This was a complaint, and also some form of search for a touch of guidance.
I got the answers I sought. Thanks for your suggestions, it helped me see that this game isn't for me.
If all it took to upset your apple cart is a change to FW plexing mechanics then I don't really understand how you could have ever thought this was a game for you. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3544
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:16:00 -
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I think what OP needs is a supportive corp that can throw ISK and manpower at him for these sorts of things.
Cant out DPS the rats? Bring a friend to add DPS or have him logi you while you run DPS fit.
Help them as a low level role as part of some larger operation, such as being the salvager or scanner in a WH corp. You take a cut of the earnings for doing your part and then you use it to fund your stuff.
Depending on how active said corp is they might be able to make even more PVP happen than usual cause they always pick fights :P The Drake is a Lie |
Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
137
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:25:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:Roaming lowsec in a nice frig.
For isk I run capital escalations in C5 space. Being the first carrier on field means you can't be bored, plus it doesn't take long with the right fleet and you have more money than you'll need for said roaming above. Sure I'll skill right into a carrier to make some ISK. *looks at time needed to get into a carrier* lol, no. You probably aren't aware that Lokis are a vital part of said escalation fleet. Just train up for one of those. Capitals come later. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
288
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:49:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:I think what OP needs is a supportive corp that can throw ISK and manpower at him for these sorts of things.
Cant out DPS the rats? Bring a friend to add DPS or have him logi you while you run DPS fit.
Help them as a low level role as part of some larger operation, such as being the salvager or scanner in a WH corp. You take a cut of the earnings for doing your part and then you use it to fund your stuff.
Depending on how active said corp is they might be able to make even more PVP happen than usual cause they always pick fights :P
If OPs attitude in this thread is any indication, hes not the kind of person that people wants to be friends with. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1125
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Posted - 2014.06.04 20:49:00 -
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A week-old character in a T1 blaster ship will still mince a Novice. Stop crying about your farming being nerfed and adapt. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
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Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2014.06.04 20:55:00 -
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Quite frankly, OP, you sound like you're making excuses and like you don't actually want to have to do any effort at all to get your ISK. EvE doesn't just hand out cash like WoW and similar games do which, as others have pointed out, is one of the reasons it actually has a bit of value here (what you lose has value to you, that is).
If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods. That ISK will let you PvP quite a bit in T1 frigs and cruisers with full T2 fittings, and unless you're playing several hours a day, you'll probably be able to last a solid two months off that 700m ISK. Toss in any sort of passive ISK source (such as Planetary Interaction which, in highsec, can be a frigate a week) and you're doing pretty well for cruiser-and-below PvP.
EvE is a multi-player game, so go join a corp (if you find one that will take your attitude) and you'll find you're enjoying it quite a bit more. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
243
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:00:00 -
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Summer Isle wrote:If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods..
Considering OP has lost several BCs, faction ships, and an Astero, I would guess this option may have already been exercised. "I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion." |
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
26
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:15:00 -
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Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Summer Isle wrote:If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods.. Considering OP has lost several BCs, faction ships, and an Astero, I would guess this option may have already been exercised. Very likely. I haven't bothered to check his killboard, and couldn't stomach reading all of his posts, so I didn't know what all he's lost. I saw he mentioned a BC, but not that he's done active PvP with it.
Still, though. Lowsec PvP? Inject a PLEX, drop 500m in T1 frigs and cruisers and their mods, and put 200m into station trading. Do that every two months (or even every month at first, if you're active) and he'll find he's much better off. Station trading is a decent source of ISK, even if you aren't doing constant 0.01'ing. After half a year of this, he'll probably find that he's able to support his frig / cruiser PvP habits simply off the station trading proceeds.
Another note to the OP: Above just about everything else, EvE rewards patience. Don't go charging into something, thinking you'll be able to succeed (at least, not every time). Wait, watch, learn, and when the time is right, pounce. That is the truest source of wealth in EvE. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1366
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:29:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote: So any other typical eve-tards care to chime in?
Sure. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
244
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:15:00 -
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Asswind Houssa wrote:This is my alt. I have spent a few days to train it only so much that it won't even be able to harm a mosquito but it will be able to run plexes. It was making me heaps of money for my main. I think crying in forums about it will yield better results than training my alt further so that it can actually engage stuff in decent ships.
Dear OP,
Please get your main into FW if you are planning to make a living out of FW. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
461
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:17:00 -
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Null-Sec Anomalies are good cash and use a PVP skillset.
The other option is you fly very cheap fit ships designed to kill more blingy ships. An example years ago was killing faction Crows using a trash-fit Taranis using a 15KM Web.
These days faction modules are still popular but not as expensive - but Meta modules are also dirt cheap so 'trash fit' frigates can cost almost nothing. Clever use of E-War can win fights. |
Netan MalDoran
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
11
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Posted - 2014.06.05 13:28:00 -
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Do this, fit an Algos with blasters, hobgoblins, and salvaging drones, go into FW lowsec, search for frigs, warp in, blow them up, salvage them and any other elite wrecks you see. The salvaging can make you 10-100 mil/roam easily if you do it right. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
De'Veldrin
Saint's Industries Brothers of Tangra
2114
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Posted - 2014.06.05 15:40:00 -
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This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".
Let me give you some bittervet advice:
We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.
We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.
GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1
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Posted - 2014.06.05 16:17:00 -
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OP, i took the liberty of having a look at your killboard.
Your losses show a lot of terrible fits, to be honest, and i think the problem simply lies there.
You need a 100-110ish dps to clear the new rats up to smalls, and a bit more for mediums.
TBH that level of dps is easily achievable even with low skills. If you're struggling with lasers, i'd suggest going with hybrid weapons, you can easily achieve dps number more akin to the 200 mark even with very low SP.
Also, if you can't fit t2 guns, go meta 4 or 3 if you're really stranded for money. Save isk on other stuff, i see you fit warp scrambler 2, you really don't need that, go with the j5b, easier fitting as well. |
Douglas Nolm
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
67
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Posted - 2014.06.05 17:56:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".
Let me give you some bittervet advice:
We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.
We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.
Dammit! I haven't even been playing six months yet, and by this definition I'm a bittervet? Help! |
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De'Veldrin
Saint's Industries Brothers of Tangra
2117
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:33:00 -
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Douglas Nolm wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".
Let me give you some bittervet advice:
We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.
We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.
Dammit! I haven't even been playing six months yet, and by this definition I'm a bittervet? Help!
Sorry dude, it's too late for you. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Ashwind Houssa
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.06.05 19:35:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Null-Sec Anomalies are good cash and use a PVP skillset.
The other option is you fly very cheap fit ships designed to kill more blingy ships. An example years ago was killing faction Crows using a trash-fit Taranis using a 15KM Web.
These days faction modules are still popular but not as expensive - but Meta modules are also dirt cheap so 'trash fit' frigates can cost almost nothing. Clever use of E-War can win fights.
This is great advice, and well noted. I've made the pivot away from FW for my remaining sub time to find what fun I can out there.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5367
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Posted - 2014.06.06 00:01:00 -
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Check out the Making ISK guide. There will be something in there for you. For low-risk you could try exploration: the Exploration training agent will give you the skill books and equipment you need to get started.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Endeveren Erata
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.06.17 07:43:00 -
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I understand his concerns and why he feels the way he feels. Kronos raised the dps bar into offensive plexing and new characters with low sp have a harder time dealing with the new stronger tanks on the NPCs. Vets don't have this issue as their dps is on the higher end already or they simply switch to something like a blaster fit with higher sp for that kind of dps to boot. Newer people even if they swap to a blaster fit and train for a short while will still find the npcs too irritating to deal with. I personally experienced something similar and while it bothered me eventually I just came to terms with the fact that I would simply have to deal with not being able to solo until my skills were better or defensive plexing during fleet downtimes. I don't necessarily want to start training blasters as my focus is LML and rockets after getting my fast tackle to acceptable levels for fleets but I accept that that is a choice I'm making and that the game doesn't have to revolve around what I chose to do, I have to adapt to it.
Until then I'll either offensive plex with others or defensive plex on my own until my dps is high enough with LML to at least do novices solo all while waiting for fleets to tackle in.
I understand you OP but you cant force the game to be what you want, it's about adapting or just dealing with it however you can and taking advantage of opportunities to have fun. I find tackling in fleets fun. |
Ranzabar
Ratio 1.618 Corp
87
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Posted - 2014.06.18 05:41:00 -
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We embrace boredom Abide |
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