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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:15:00 -
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So...I know now that EVE Chinas been launched and they're first day PCU smashed ours, was wondering how this will affect us?
I was under the impression that everything that will come in the game will come to us first, but if CCP are making more money from China then will that become they're main priority? They are at the end of the day a business. If CCP start raking it in then do you think we will remain they're first concern as "the old school guys, back when the game wasnt spread across the world" or will it be a case of "rawr!!!111 money money money! who cares about the old guys, we're making a **** load!!"
Is there going to become a point, maybe 3 months, maybe 3 years down the line when we switch roles with China, and they become the "important" one, and they get the server upgrades and new content before us? Or will be always be considered priority no.1 as i have been led to believe that we would?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/06/2006 19:18:03
CCP has stated, over and over, that Tranquility will remain their primary concern. This is basically a repost of an old question that has been already answered.
Hell, they've contracted out most of China!
And the biggest issue, of course: CCP's characters are on TQ, not China.
China means more money for CCP, more developers, and thus more content and more patches for us. Which is good.
CCP, however, is between a rock and a hard place. If they give us the patches first, people will whine about how "OMG CCP IS USING US AS THEIR CHINA BETATESTERS!!!" But if they give China the patches first, people will whine about how CCP is treating them with preference and ignoring us.
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Nicole KholdStare
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:19:00 -
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While what you describe might happen it's not necessarily a bad thing if you look at the bigpicture. More players means more cash for ccp means more devs means more quality content in a shorter amount of time. So while we might be 2nd place to China someday the overall speed at which Eve improves will still be faster than what it is today simply because CCP will have a lot more resources to pump into the game.
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:21:00 -
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Not sure if more players playing in china actually means more revenue for ccp than from tranquility. Chinese prices are a good bit cheaper than Tranq prices in real terms are they not?
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Fray Kaitin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:21:00 -
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I think we've already seen how Eve-China will affect us. Look at the complete lack of Quality Control and how new content has been slashed in the last couple of patches.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/06/2006 19:22:32
Originally by: Fray Kaitin I think we've already seen how Eve-China will affect us. Look at the complete lack of Quality Control and how new content has been slashed in the last couple of patches.
New... content... slashed?
We've had the fastest spree of patches ever seen in EVE history, and tons of new content added. Normally we wouldn't have Kali within 6 months of Blood... but apparently we will.
Either you're a newbie and thus haven't spent more than a few weeks in EVE (and thus don't know how things have been in the past), or you're an alt who should stop posting now and never post ever again.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fray Kaitin I think we've already seen how Eve-China will affect us. Look at the complete lack of Quality Control and how new content has been slashed in the last couple of patches.
Eve has always been like that, it is part of its charm. You can't blame that on China I'm afraid.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Chip2k3 on 23/06/2006 19:25:15 Your saying that if you were in CCP's shoes and someone reversed a truckload of cash and dumped it in your drive you wouldn't begin to think "hmmmm....EVE China's making us 100x more..." and start to give them priority? I know TQ is supposed to be CCP's main priority but if they start seriously raking it in then do you honestly 100% believe that they're loyalty will stay with us? I would love to believe it, and to some extent I do, but I can also see a point down the road when we start playing second string to China. Money changes everything, so although CCP state that TQ will always be priority 1 in a couple of years time when Oveur's rolling around in his own stack of cash due to China, maybe CCp's priorities will change.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Your saying that if you were in CCP's shoes and someone reversed a truckload of cash and dumped it in your drive you wouldn't begin to think "hmmmm....EVE China's making us 100x more..." and start to give them priority? I know TQ is supposed to be CCP's main priority but if they start seriously raking it in then do you honestly 100% believe that they're loyalty will stay with us? I would love to believe it, and to some extent I do, but I can also see a point down the road when we start playing second string to CCP. Money changes everything, so although CCP state that TQ will always be priority 1 in a couple of years time when Oveur's rolling around in his own stack of cash due to China, maybe CCp's priorities will change.
1. CCP developers play on TQ. They have 3-year-old characters. Think they're going to move? Would you move and lose everything?
2. EVE China is still in beta ferchrissakes. Hell its ONE WEEK INTO BETA. And finally, they're not going to charge the full 15 Euros/dollars a month there: lets say they charge 2 dollars a month. That means they'd probably need 10 times or 15 times the subscribers to bring in the same profits (subtracting server costs of course). Unless they literally get millions, Serenity won't dwarf Tranquility in profits any time soon.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Your saying that if you were in CCP's shoes and someone reversed a truckload of cash and dumped it in your drive you wouldn't begin to think "hmmmm....EVE China's making us 100x more..." and start to give them priority? I know TQ is supposed to be CCP's main priority but if they start seriously raking it in then do you honestly 100% believe that they're loyalty will stay with us? I would love to believe it, and to some extent I do, but I can also see a point down the road when we start playing second string to CCP. Money changes everything, so although CCP state that TQ will always be priority 1 in a couple of years time when Oveur's rolling around in his own stack of cash due to China, maybe CCp's priorities will change.
The question is, why would you need to give it priority?
The devs understand Eve in the english language, and will develop for that. That development will then go to China to be regionalised and content filtered (I assume).
As TQ developments ARE also China developments, it makes no difference which you develop for. That being the case, the devs are likely to stick with what they know.
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Fray Kaitin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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Quote: New... content... slashed?
To be specific I am refering to the last patch, when first announced had a large list of items that were all defered to later. Funny how when people complain here fanboys like you always start calling people names.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fray Kaitin
Quote: New... content... slashed?
To be specific I am refering to the last patch, when first announced had a large list of items that were all defered to later. Funny how when people complain here fanboys like you always start calling people names.
Again, I point you to EVE's past history, alt.
When the game came out, they announced Titans were coming soon, along with player owned structures.
Titans took 3 years to come out, and player owned structures 2 years.
Deferring content was the expected thing to happen, not something unusual. It was rare to get anything more in a patch than minor balance changes and some new T2 ships/items.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Fray Kaitin
Quote: New... content... slashed?
To be specific I am refering to the last patch, when first announced had a large list of items that were all defered to later. Funny how when people complain here fanboys like you always start calling people names.
Handbags away ladies, this is supposed to be a constructive discussion.
I'm not necessarily talking about China becoming the priority soon, I'm on about a while down the line. And from what ive heard of the MMO industry in Asia then its possible that China will bring in the big bucks
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon The devs understand Eve in the english language, and will develop for that. That development will then go to China to be regionalised and content filtered (I assume).
As TQ developments ARE also China developments, it makes no difference which you develop for. That being the case, the devs are likely to stick with what they know.
Avon is pretty much on the mark here. Tranquility is CCP's baby and Serenity is not going to change that.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:46:00 -
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O-kay.
Lets assume the "worst case". June 2007 CCP is opening the 3rd china server, "OMGWTFBBQ", since the first two are already running on their peak with 100k simultany logged in users.
So, what would be the consequences? Would features be implemented on the china servers but not on tranq? No - why should they. Both servers are running with the same code, for christsakes. The only difference is the language (and a few differences in the game content AFAIK). Meaning: *everything* which is made on the china server can be ported on tranq, too. Which won't happen slower than it is happening right now.
Even if china would get patches a month before us we would still get them effeciently faster than we would have gotten them without china - 2 servers = more money flow = faster developement. At least after the devs have enough golden bathtubs.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:50:00 -
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/me repeats...MONEY CHANGES EVERYTHING. OK, TQ is CCP's baby. Will it still be when all the devs have a home in the Caribbean? And ferraris? Or will Serenity become that bit more important?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 /me repeats...MONEY CHANGES EVERYTHING. OK, TQ is CCP's baby. Will it still be when all the devs have a home in the Caribbean? And ferraris? Or will Serenity become that bit more important?
How would making China a development priority increase CCP's income?
I think you are looking for a problem that just doesn't exist.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:54:00 -
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I'm not saying that if they make China the priority they will make more, i'm saying that if China goes through the roof and really takes off, making CCP a shed load, will we still be as important as China? After all, China will be the bread winner so to speak. (this is all theoretical)
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Andicuri Vas
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:54:00 -
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I think that if it were all about money for CCP, they would have folded up the tent shortly after launch. iirc, it has only been in the last year or so that they became profitable.
If it were all about instantaneous content and perfected gameplay for the players, they would have left by now too. I cannot speak for all players, but it is CCP's innovation, patience and commitment to it's original vision that, IMO makes EVE special amongst MMO's, and keeps me interested.
I would think that TQ could gain alot from what is learned from Serenity.....load balancing for instance. Can you imagine what Jita will be like on Serenity?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 I'm not saying that if they make China the priority they will make more, i'm saying that if China goes through the roof and really takes off, making CCP a shed load, will we still be as important as China? After all, China will be the bread winner so to speak. (this is all theoretical)
It would make no difference. Why would it?
If it doesn't matter which server you develop on, why would you change?
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:59:00 -
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No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
No.
Even if TQ only made 1/10th of China they wouldn't throw that income away.
This is not the disaster you are looking for. Move along.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
AlexCA
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
Forsaking either in favor of the other only costs money, doesn't make them any.
Nice thing with software is you only need to create it once and can thne just copy it indefintely, making new features for 1 server takes just as much effort as new game features for 100 servers, its all the same code. And dont you hate it when people make their signature look like part of their post? |
Jenton
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
i'll ask you what everyone else has asked you. there is no way that they can "forsake us for China" in terms of developement. you've had many people explain why, but i'll explain it again; all content developed will go on all servers, it will no be exclusive for one.
so, how do you think they could "give in to the money" and give up on us?
in terms of hardware, the knowledge that CCP gains on how to set up efficient servers is again sharable between tran and singularity.
please clarify the ways that you think CCP can abandon us. thank you.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:04:00 -
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Who said anything about throwing the income away? I'm not looking for a disaster, just a discussion. So you can 100% say, hand on heart that you believe TQ will always be most important and that nothing that comes and goes will change that?
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:07:00 -
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Ways they can "abandon" (not the word i would use) us: serenity gets hardware upgrades first. Serenity gets new content first. Serenity gets big patches first.
I wasnt saying that this is going to happen, i was just interested in other peoples perspective on the situation.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Who said anything about throwing the income away? I'm not looking for a disaster, just a discussion. So you can 100% say, hand on heart that you believe TQ will always be most important and that nothing that comes and goes will change that?
Yes.
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Robstr
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:10:00 -
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And your missing the point entirely.
Tranq. and China are the SAME GAME, when they making something for us, they just have to get to put into chinese and slap it on the server overthere. ====
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:11:00 -
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I dont see that as possible or truthful tbh. Theres always something right around the bend that can change everything. I think your saying that to try and make me out to be an idiot.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 I dont see that as possible or truthful tbh. Theres always something right around the bend that can change everything. I think your saying that to try and make me out to be an idiot.
If that was my goal I wouldn't need to say anything.
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