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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:15:00 -
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So...I know now that EVE Chinas been launched and they're first day PCU smashed ours, was wondering how this will affect us?
I was under the impression that everything that will come in the game will come to us first, but if CCP are making more money from China then will that become they're main priority? They are at the end of the day a business. If CCP start raking it in then do you think we will remain they're first concern as "the old school guys, back when the game wasnt spread across the world" or will it be a case of "rawr!!!111 money money money! who cares about the old guys, we're making a **** load!!"
Is there going to become a point, maybe 3 months, maybe 3 years down the line when we switch roles with China, and they become the "important" one, and they get the server upgrades and new content before us? Or will be always be considered priority no.1 as i have been led to believe that we would?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/06/2006 19:18:03
CCP has stated, over and over, that Tranquility will remain their primary concern. This is basically a repost of an old question that has been already answered.
Hell, they've contracted out most of China!
And the biggest issue, of course: CCP's characters are on TQ, not China.
China means more money for CCP, more developers, and thus more content and more patches for us. Which is good.
CCP, however, is between a rock and a hard place. If they give us the patches first, people will whine about how "OMG CCP IS USING US AS THEIR CHINA BETATESTERS!!!" But if they give China the patches first, people will whine about how CCP is treating them with preference and ignoring us.
--Proud member of the [23]--
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Nicole KholdStare
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:19:00 -
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While what you describe might happen it's not necessarily a bad thing if you look at the bigpicture. More players means more cash for ccp means more devs means more quality content in a shorter amount of time. So while we might be 2nd place to China someday the overall speed at which Eve improves will still be faster than what it is today simply because CCP will have a lot more resources to pump into the game.
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:21:00 -
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Not sure if more players playing in china actually means more revenue for ccp than from tranquility. Chinese prices are a good bit cheaper than Tranq prices in real terms are they not?
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Fray Kaitin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:21:00 -
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I think we've already seen how Eve-China will affect us. Look at the complete lack of Quality Control and how new content has been slashed in the last couple of patches.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/06/2006 19:22:32
Originally by: Fray Kaitin I think we've already seen how Eve-China will affect us. Look at the complete lack of Quality Control and how new content has been slashed in the last couple of patches.
New... content... slashed?
We've had the fastest spree of patches ever seen in EVE history, and tons of new content added. Normally we wouldn't have Kali within 6 months of Blood... but apparently we will.
Either you're a newbie and thus haven't spent more than a few weeks in EVE (and thus don't know how things have been in the past), or you're an alt who should stop posting now and never post ever again.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fray Kaitin I think we've already seen how Eve-China will affect us. Look at the complete lack of Quality Control and how new content has been slashed in the last couple of patches.
Eve has always been like that, it is part of its charm. You can't blame that on China I'm afraid.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Chip2k3 on 23/06/2006 19:25:15 Your saying that if you were in CCP's shoes and someone reversed a truckload of cash and dumped it in your drive you wouldn't begin to think "hmmmm....EVE China's making us 100x more..." and start to give them priority? I know TQ is supposed to be CCP's main priority but if they start seriously raking it in then do you honestly 100% believe that they're loyalty will stay with us? I would love to believe it, and to some extent I do, but I can also see a point down the road when we start playing second string to China. Money changes everything, so although CCP state that TQ will always be priority 1 in a couple of years time when Oveur's rolling around in his own stack of cash due to China, maybe CCp's priorities will change.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Your saying that if you were in CCP's shoes and someone reversed a truckload of cash and dumped it in your drive you wouldn't begin to think "hmmmm....EVE China's making us 100x more..." and start to give them priority? I know TQ is supposed to be CCP's main priority but if they start seriously raking it in then do you honestly 100% believe that they're loyalty will stay with us? I would love to believe it, and to some extent I do, but I can also see a point down the road when we start playing second string to CCP. Money changes everything, so although CCP state that TQ will always be priority 1 in a couple of years time when Oveur's rolling around in his own stack of cash due to China, maybe CCp's priorities will change.
1. CCP developers play on TQ. They have 3-year-old characters. Think they're going to move? Would you move and lose everything?
2. EVE China is still in beta ferchrissakes. Hell its ONE WEEK INTO BETA. And finally, they're not going to charge the full 15 Euros/dollars a month there: lets say they charge 2 dollars a month. That means they'd probably need 10 times or 15 times the subscribers to bring in the same profits (subtracting server costs of course). Unless they literally get millions, Serenity won't dwarf Tranquility in profits any time soon.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Your saying that if you were in CCP's shoes and someone reversed a truckload of cash and dumped it in your drive you wouldn't begin to think "hmmmm....EVE China's making us 100x more..." and start to give them priority? I know TQ is supposed to be CCP's main priority but if they start seriously raking it in then do you honestly 100% believe that they're loyalty will stay with us? I would love to believe it, and to some extent I do, but I can also see a point down the road when we start playing second string to CCP. Money changes everything, so although CCP state that TQ will always be priority 1 in a couple of years time when Oveur's rolling around in his own stack of cash due to China, maybe CCp's priorities will change.
The question is, why would you need to give it priority?
The devs understand Eve in the english language, and will develop for that. That development will then go to China to be regionalised and content filtered (I assume).
As TQ developments ARE also China developments, it makes no difference which you develop for. That being the case, the devs are likely to stick with what they know.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Fray Kaitin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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Quote: New... content... slashed?
To be specific I am refering to the last patch, when first announced had a large list of items that were all defered to later. Funny how when people complain here fanboys like you always start calling people names.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fray Kaitin
Quote: New... content... slashed?
To be specific I am refering to the last patch, when first announced had a large list of items that were all defered to later. Funny how when people complain here fanboys like you always start calling people names.
Again, I point you to EVE's past history, alt.
When the game came out, they announced Titans were coming soon, along with player owned structures.
Titans took 3 years to come out, and player owned structures 2 years.
Deferring content was the expected thing to happen, not something unusual. It was rare to get anything more in a patch than minor balance changes and some new T2 ships/items.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Fray Kaitin
Quote: New... content... slashed?
To be specific I am refering to the last patch, when first announced had a large list of items that were all defered to later. Funny how when people complain here fanboys like you always start calling people names.
Handbags away ladies, this is supposed to be a constructive discussion.
I'm not necessarily talking about China becoming the priority soon, I'm on about a while down the line. And from what ive heard of the MMO industry in Asia then its possible that China will bring in the big bucks
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon The devs understand Eve in the english language, and will develop for that. That development will then go to China to be regionalised and content filtered (I assume).
As TQ developments ARE also China developments, it makes no difference which you develop for. That being the case, the devs are likely to stick with what they know.
Avon is pretty much on the mark here. Tranquility is CCP's baby and Serenity is not going to change that.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:46:00 -
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O-kay.
Lets assume the "worst case". June 2007 CCP is opening the 3rd china server, "OMGWTFBBQ", since the first two are already running on their peak with 100k simultany logged in users.
So, what would be the consequences? Would features be implemented on the china servers but not on tranq? No - why should they. Both servers are running with the same code, for christsakes. The only difference is the language (and a few differences in the game content AFAIK). Meaning: *everything* which is made on the china server can be ported on tranq, too. Which won't happen slower than it is happening right now.
Even if china would get patches a month before us we would still get them effeciently faster than we would have gotten them without china - 2 servers = more money flow = faster developement. At least after the devs have enough golden bathtubs.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:50:00 -
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/me repeats...MONEY CHANGES EVERYTHING. OK, TQ is CCP's baby. Will it still be when all the devs have a home in the Caribbean? And ferraris? Or will Serenity become that bit more important?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 /me repeats...MONEY CHANGES EVERYTHING. OK, TQ is CCP's baby. Will it still be when all the devs have a home in the Caribbean? And ferraris? Or will Serenity become that bit more important?
How would making China a development priority increase CCP's income?
I think you are looking for a problem that just doesn't exist.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:54:00 -
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I'm not saying that if they make China the priority they will make more, i'm saying that if China goes through the roof and really takes off, making CCP a shed load, will we still be as important as China? After all, China will be the bread winner so to speak. (this is all theoretical)
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Andicuri Vas
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:54:00 -
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I think that if it were all about money for CCP, they would have folded up the tent shortly after launch. iirc, it has only been in the last year or so that they became profitable.
If it were all about instantaneous content and perfected gameplay for the players, they would have left by now too. I cannot speak for all players, but it is CCP's innovation, patience and commitment to it's original vision that, IMO makes EVE special amongst MMO's, and keeps me interested.
I would think that TQ could gain alot from what is learned from Serenity.....load balancing for instance. Can you imagine what Jita will be like on Serenity?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 I'm not saying that if they make China the priority they will make more, i'm saying that if China goes through the roof and really takes off, making CCP a shed load, will we still be as important as China? After all, China will be the bread winner so to speak. (this is all theoretical)
It would make no difference. Why would it?
If it doesn't matter which server you develop on, why would you change?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:59:00 -
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No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
No.
Even if TQ only made 1/10th of China they wouldn't throw that income away.
This is not the disaster you are looking for. Move along.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
AlexCA
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
Forsaking either in favor of the other only costs money, doesn't make them any.
Nice thing with software is you only need to create it once and can thne just copy it indefintely, making new features for 1 server takes just as much effort as new game features for 100 servers, its all the same code. And dont you hate it when people make their signature look like part of their post? |
Jenton
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
i'll ask you what everyone else has asked you. there is no way that they can "forsake us for China" in terms of developement. you've had many people explain why, but i'll explain it again; all content developed will go on all servers, it will no be exclusive for one.
so, how do you think they could "give in to the money" and give up on us?
in terms of hardware, the knowledge that CCP gains on how to set up efficient servers is again sharable between tran and singularity.
please clarify the ways that you think CCP can abandon us. thank you.
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:04:00 -
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Who said anything about throwing the income away? I'm not looking for a disaster, just a discussion. So you can 100% say, hand on heart that you believe TQ will always be most important and that nothing that comes and goes will change that?
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:07:00 -
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Ways they can "abandon" (not the word i would use) us: serenity gets hardware upgrades first. Serenity gets new content first. Serenity gets big patches first.
I wasnt saying that this is going to happen, i was just interested in other peoples perspective on the situation.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Who said anything about throwing the income away? I'm not looking for a disaster, just a discussion. So you can 100% say, hand on heart that you believe TQ will always be most important and that nothing that comes and goes will change that?
Yes.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Robstr
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:10:00 -
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And your missing the point entirely.
Tranq. and China are the SAME GAME, when they making something for us, they just have to get to put into chinese and slap it on the server overthere. ====
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:11:00 -
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I dont see that as possible or truthful tbh. Theres always something right around the bend that can change everything. I think your saying that to try and make me out to be an idiot.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 I dont see that as possible or truthful tbh. Theres always something right around the bend that can change everything. I think your saying that to try and make me out to be an idiot.
If that was my goal I wouldn't need to say anything.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Chip2k3 on 23/06/2006 20:20:12 Meh. Believe whatever makes you feel "a big man"
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Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Robstr And your missing the point entirely.
Tranq. and China are the SAME GAME, when they making something for us, they just have to get to put into chinese and slap it on the server overthere.
Robstr is correct. It's been mentioned before in dev logs that TQ and Serenity have been designed to be as close together as possible. When they develop, they develop for both, because new patches and content will work for both. (Minus the minor changes kieron confirmed.) It's not a matter of favoritism.
I believe Dark Shikari and others alluded to this, that as far as not getting content is concerned, the exact opposite will happen. We will be getting more content, as CCP is able to hire more developers and artists as a result of their new revenue stream. For one, I'm excited.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:17:00 -
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zomg WE ALL GONA DIE !!!!!!!1111 ONE ELEVEN !!!11
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Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Meh. Believe whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
There's always still time to quit...
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:18:00 -
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Didnt say i wanted to quit i intend to stick out the ride and see what comes
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Marianni
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:21:00 -
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Or think of it this way.
Tranquility will become the guniea pigs of the new developement. Find the bugs, find the issues and find the work arounds.
Serenity will get the new developments once everything is balanced and stable.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chip2k3 Ways they can "abandon" (not the word i would use) us: serenity gets hardware upgrades first. Serenity gets new content first. Serenity gets big patches first.
Again - so what?
Please follow this line of reasoning: 2 * servers = 2* the playerbase = 2* the income = 2* money available for development = new content faster.
Soooo, even IF cina would get new content faster - we would still get the content faster than we would have if china would not exist. Because there wouldn't be as many recource available to develope more content. Doesn't matter if china would get new content first or not - in both cases it will be faster for us than without china.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:25:00 -
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tq will get a quicker development cycle tho i think more devs more events more art more chronicles more card games hehe its a good thing
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Chip2k3
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Again - so what?
Please follow this line of reasoning: 2 * servers = 2* the playerbase = 2* the income = 2* money available for development = new content faster.
Soooo, even IF cina would get new content faster - we would still get the content faster than we would have if china would not exist. Because there wouldn't be as many recource available to develope more content. Doesn't matter if china would get new content first or not - in both cases it will be faster for us than without china.
OK...i can see your point
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jeagred
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:30:00 -
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i think some ppl in eve are so use the 1 server for all way forgot that most other mmo alway use multiple server
so when they patch or add content they do it on all theyre server at the same time ,would not be efficient to do it on 1 server per day as it would take over 1 month on some mmo as they have over 30 server
sometime they even have other server made in other language ,those sometime get stuff about 1 week later cause they have to get ppl to do the traduction but that about the worst i saw
so having a server in china wont change much thing for us,hell we probably wont even see if we get patch first or second or at same time as we dont have access to that server ,they dont have acess to our and we dont even share the forum as far as i can see so you should not even see if it hurt/profit us so just enjoy the game
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G Dabak
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Marianni Or think of it this way.
Tranquility will become the guniea pigs of the new developement. Find the bugs, find the issues and find the work arounds.
Serenity will get the new developments once everything is balanced and stable.
Originally by: wystler Scenario 1. CCP deploy patch to EVE-China first. Threads appear on here complaining that CCP is playing favourites to the other server.
Scenario 2. CCP deploy patch to us first. Threads appear on here complaining that we're the trial run for the EVE-China patch.
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Minsc
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Marianni Or think of it this way.
Tranquility will become the guniea pigs of the new developement. Find the bugs, find the issues and find the work arounds.
Serenity will get the new developments once everything is balanced and stable.
We will get many good things out of the bigger china server(s) as well. We will see benefits from load balancing and other database optimizations that they will need before we do.
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Johnny Twoshoe
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Posted - 2006.06.23 21:07:00 -
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Don't forget that more players means more minds thinking about EVE and thus more ideas for CCP to take into consideration from the Ideas & Suggestions board. ~~~
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Razin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Chip2k3 No-one seems to understand where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm not explaining properly. Is there going to come a point in time where CCP give in to the money? When they forsake us for China as that (theoretically) would make them more?
No.
Even if TQ only made 1/10th of China they wouldn't throw that income away.
This is not the disaster you are looking for. Move along.
I think one possible consequence may be the direction EVE development may take. The game mechanics and content changes may be lopsidedly influenced by an overwhelming majority of Chinese players whose ideas may be at odds with those playing on Tranq.
Just a thought.
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2006.06.23 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Krxon Blade on 23/06/2006 21:43:25 CPP will ad more and more steroids to poor hamsters, to compensate for huge amount of new players, untill their uber computer network reaches critical mass and develop its own AI. Than we are toasted :) --
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Virvana Sharpur
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Posted - 2006.06.23 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Virvana Sharpur on 23/06/2006 21:51:08 We hope that more China = more developers = a better EVE than it would be without China.
Frankly though, I suspect what we'll find is more China = same developers = typical EVE as its always been, regardless of China.
If CCP needs to do it as a business decision, then that's fine. But I really don't think its going to improve matters for us any more than it has always been.
If anything, I suspect CCP needed to go to China just to maintain the level of service and development it always had. ____________ "Give me one frigate pilot with faith, over an armada of a thousand battleships." --Virvana mons Sharpur, The Fleet Prayer |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:50:00 -
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they aren't starting where we are, just with new characters, but that they will start with just new characters AND only T1 ships and such... then have T2 introduced at a certain pace, similar to how it was initially on Tranq, but on a little smoother curve (since its already all developed)
that'd likely give a pretty good time frame before they catch up to us for new content. ... that is new content will be "needed" for us long before their advancement gets to the equivalent point.
~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake |
Marshall Knight
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Posted - 2006.06.23 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Marshall Knight on 23/06/2006 23:25:38 I can see his point on the content going to china first and all that but there is another thing ya got to think about here.
China is under a different law system to us and censorship so the problem ya looking for wont exist as when things are developed they would theoriatically be made with full content at first and then changed to fit into the censorship of the chinese servers so chances are they will be released at same time once both verison have been done. Only problem in the future might be they may go with whats right for china and we get the censored patches as well but i very much doubt that would happen and who cares who gets what first we have our world they have theres just get on with it.
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splattercat
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:03:00 -
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Hummm.... forgive me if im off the mark here, but as the game has been made in english by devs ect who know english, is it not highly unlikely thay will all learn Chinese and start makeing content for them 1st? (as far as i know it English 1st) Is it not more likely that thay hire staff to translate and edit there work for the Chinese servers? (the Chinese staff)
Also why are ppl worred thay will get stuff last? you will still get it in CCPs own time as has allways happened, and why o why will ccp cut off TQ and the cash it brings in,Eve will probaly not be there only game in the comeing years so why make customers angry and not want to try there other stuff. It matters not tbh, if there is one server or even 100, The ppl who play TQ will stay on TQ, i realy fail to see what the big problem with a 2nd server is.
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Sathana
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:18:00 -
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Another factor that people aren't realizing is that everyone that plays on Eve China are on the same time zone. Which makes it very simple the reason why more people are on the server at one time. The real factor that would make any sense to go by is the amount of subscribers to each server.
Then again none of it matters since it's the same game...
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Salusa VC
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:39:00 -
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Out of interest, what is the monthly sub for China?
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Hillesumos
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:55:00 -
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Let take it on a more global scale and out the actual game issue. EVE is a product made by one company based in Iceland. Except for a few exceptions , most of their worforce are based in Iceland with very few of them speaking decent chinese. Now, if you do consider moving a company to china because of the huge success, it mean relocating all the staff to china, put them in fast track chinese language course, alienate all the families of thoses poor souls and a lot of money and effort + as a bonus a substantial disruption to the way the company work. So realisticall, will china server take over ccp soul is very unlikely. CCP do like any european or american company that develop in china. They see this as an opportunity to develop and invest money and some people to manage the operation. The WORST that can happen is that a new ccp offshoot is created in china. Ie a similar bunch of chinese people creating content and debugging the servers + the group programmer and game support people. Now, ccp says that setting aside a few cultural differences, they will basically run the same code on both server. It doesn't practically change how things are done it just increase the scale of how it is done that all. See all the other games companies, they don't moves from their original place they just create off shoot.
Side note: china may be a wonderful market but it is also a developing one. Think of it as 0.0 of the game market. Few rules and unpredictable state that can eddict weird rules without recourse to the rule of law. I have yet to heard of companies that move all their operation to china. It is not worth it and also it is very risky bet. ---------
Sadly I just make ISK, I don't print it. :(
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