Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
THCS
Kenshin. Northern Coalition.
0
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 04:17:00 -
[1] - Quote
Sup all,
I want to start a discussion on Eve endgame and the cost of eve in terms of plex, time and RL $...
The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.
Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Does any Eve Vets share the same sentiment? |
Deebo Singleton
Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 04:21:00 -
[2] - Quote
In on the ground floor. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1070
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 04:36:00 -
[3] - Quote
Capitals are intended for large scale pvp and will share cynos. Outside of a wh there is no content for them that is remotely challenging (forget the word endgame) and either using the carrier or a pair of ishtars with the 2 accounts will shoot a plex worth of bounties in 7 hours, ie it's hardly a painful task to sub 1 and plex 1 right now.
|
Ptraci
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
1803
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 04:38:00 -
[4] - Quote
THCS wrote:
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Funny, CCP wants to keep the price high, because the more isk a PLEX is worth the easier it is to sell one for real cash. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1965
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 04:50:00 -
[5] - Quote
I was always under the impression that EvE was a sandbox...
And as such...
The only "endgame" in EvE is the one you make for yourself.
So if you are shelling out that much "cost" for what you consider "endgame," then perhaps you should re-evaluate the "endgame" you chose for yourself.
Happy to help.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Cherry Yeyo
1
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 04:56:00 -
[6] - Quote
Ask Vince where the trillion isk per month from renters is going? And can yall get a subsidy to help keep your supercaps subbed.. |
THCS
Kenshin. Northern Coalition.
0
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:06:00 -
[7] - Quote
Cherry Yeyo wrote:Ask Vince where the trillion isk per month from renters is going? And can yall get a subsidy to help keep your supercaps subbed..
Why would I ask Vince for anything? NC are a solid group of corps who bankroll their players. Why would I ask for a subsidy from him?
Kenshin is doing a great job; I'm just getting exhausted ratting to keep up with plexing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6208
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:09:00 -
[8] - Quote
Caps seem to be used like line ships now, what with carrier blobs sitting on things and repping them. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
86
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:13:00 -
[9] - Quote
Cherry Yeyo wrote:Ask Vince where the trillion isk per month from renters is going? And can yall get a subsidy to help keep your supercaps subbed.. Ain't the money goes the same way that they go in any Ponzi scheme? "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
THCS
Kenshin. Northern Coalition.
0
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:27:00 -
[10] - Quote
Deebo Singleton wrote:In on the ground floor. Content: THCS wrote: The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.
I don't think anyone piloting a ship worth that many billion isk can rightly call himself casual or gripe about lacking income for that matter. What the hell are you doing to make that little isk? If you can't be arsed to pay CCP or pay someone else spacebux so they'll pay CCP for you, then you don't get to have an active account. Sorry Charlie, them the brakes. Someone has to power the servers and keep them running, and your casual cap usership ain't gunna pay the bills. THCS wrote: Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Does any Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Oh lawd have mercy, someone might have to pay real money for at least one of their accounts if they wanna cut down on their chores! Again, spacebux or realbux, this is a business. You're not here because you're entitled to spaceship comabt. You're here because CCP is being paid for you to enjoy said spaceship combat. The time factor to farm a PLEX is wholly irrelavent to this fact. Even if it costs a trillion isk to buy a PLEX you'd still either have to farm your brains out or shell out a few shekels irl. I can go ahead and let you know ahead of time CCP isn't going to inject tons of free game time into the economy for you. If anyone shares that sentiment with you, they're equally delusional. TL;DR: You are not entitled to free videogames because you feel that you've been around long enough to deserve it. The current price of PLEX is a reflection of the fact that making isk is easier and demand for them is higher than ever. Therefor you're competing with other irl poors for all those "I gotcha bro," tickets in the market. My suggestion for you is this: Either see some of those assets that a "casual," player would never need, close an account or two, OR dig down deep into those empty pockets and find an extra ducket or two. Life ain't fair, nothing is free, you're on your own kid. Get to it.
TL;DR. You rambling to much and its sarcastic so I'm just gonna ignore as its 2 am in the morning.
|
|
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
764
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:32:00 -
[11] - Quote
THCS wrote:
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
40 hours of grinding / 3 accounts = 13hrs/account (or 13h of them all being logged in at the same time)
Not quite 3 weeks is it?
Unless you only play each account on its own.
or, @800m/PLEX, 26m/day, or 10m/h of your 80 hour game month.
Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Paranoid Loyd
774
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:52:00 -
[12] - Quote
$540/365days=$1.48/day
Rich man's game?
Who wouldn't gladly pay $1.50/day for the entertainment this game provides? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
687
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:57:00 -
[13] - Quote
where is this odd math coming from?
When i was in my c5 that had a c3 static, i could net 300m in an hour running anons in my static. thats all the loot. If i cycled i could net the money for a plex in 2 hours. so in one day or 8 hours i could technically plex 4 accounts. Lets add in making about 100m a day or so off pi with 4 accounts. AND if i had done cap escalations i could net about a billion in 1 hour.
This whole 'grinding for plex' thing is a lie. Its stupid simple to make 700m isk. you can do it in a single day., or in a c3 in 2 hours.
there is no end game in eve. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Epiphany Achura
Federation Clone Services LTD.
5
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:58:00 -
[14] - Quote
Deebo Singleton wrote:In on the ground floor. Content: THCS wrote: The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.
Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.
I don't think anyone piloting a ship worth that many billion isk can rightly call himself casual or gripe about lacking income for that matter. What the hell are you doing to make that little isk? If you can't be arsed to pay CCP or pay someone else spacebux so they'll pay CCP for you, then you don't get to have an active account. Sorry Charlie, them the brakes. Someone has to power the servers and keep them running, and your casual cap usership ain't gunna pay the bills. THCS wrote: Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.
My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!
Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Does any Eve Vets share the same sentiment?
Oh lawd have mercy, someone might have to pay real money for at least one of their accounts if they wanna cut down on their chores! Again, spacebux or realbux, this is a business. You're not here because you're entitled to spaceship comabt. You're here because CCP is being paid for you to enjoy said spaceship combat. The time factor to farm a PLEX is wholly irrelavent to this fact. Even if it costs a trillion isk to buy a PLEX you'd still either have to farm your brains out or shell out a few shekels irl. I can go ahead and let you know ahead of time CCP isn't going to inject tons of free game time into the economy for you. If anyone shares that sentiment with you, they're equally delusional. TL;DR: You are not entitled to free videogames because you feel that you've been around long enough to deserve it. The current price of PLEX is a reflection of the fact that making isk is easier and demand for them is higher than ever. Therefor you're competing with other irl poors for all those "I gotcha bro," tickets in the market. My suggestion for you is this: Either see some of those assets that a "casual," player would never need, close an account or two, OR dig down deep into those empty pockets and find an extra ducket or two. Life ain't fair, nothing is free, you're on your own kid. Get to it. I...I....think I love you. Well put |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1257
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 05:59:00 -
[15] - Quote
If somebody starts another plex rant i am going to eat every fukking ckicken in the thread! TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
|
|
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12147
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:03:00 -
[16] - Quote
End game: Escape life and relax, stress down.
|
|
Steve Celeste
Overdogs
297
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:12:00 -
[17] - Quote
THCS wrote:The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget Eve is NOT free to play.
If you can't afford it, you can't play it. |
Victor Andall
574
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:22:00 -
[18] - Quote
"The biggest ships are the endgame."
Wow.
And by "wow", I mean go back to it. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
45
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:23:00 -
[19] - Quote
lol rly? eve endgame is renting out space and having your gametime paid for you by moongoo and rent fees. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10565
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:31:00 -
[20] - Quote
I own two capital ships. I have one cyno alt. I don't even use my cyno alt, like, ever. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
|
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2047
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:36:00 -
[21] - Quote
WTF is with all this sudden poverty all over forums? If video game is a serious part of your home budget PLEX prices are really last of your problems. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
45
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 06:41:00 -
[22] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:WTF is with all this sudden poverty all over forums? If video game is a serious part of your home budget PLEX prices are really last of your problems.
Maybe some ppl would rather have plex instead of running water. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1856
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 07:12:00 -
[23] - Quote
GÇ£I know not with what weapons the end game will be fought, but post-end game will be fought with rookie ships and shuttles.GÇ¥ .. when everything else is gone .. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
890
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 07:15:00 -
[24] - Quote
THCS wrote:As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve It seems strange that, as a 2003 player, you need 40 hours/month of grind to afford 3 PLEX.
If it's true, then I guess you would be better off quitting. Bye, hope you had fun while it lasted! |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1856
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 07:16:00 -
[25] - Quote
^^Alex, I'm sure you forgot to type it.. but don't forget to ask them if you can haz their stuff. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
891
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 07:32:00 -
[26] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:^^Alex, I'm sure you forgot to type it.. but don't forget to ask them if you can haz their stuff. Nonono Sibyyl, I wouldn't want it!
Since I'm less than an year old and having a RL myself, how could I possibly maintain all those high-value capitals? |
Victor Andall
574
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 07:35:00 -
[27] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I own two capital ships. I have one cyno alt. I don't even use my cyno alt, like, ever.
I have no experience with capitals and supercaps, but a friend once told me that the second you get into a Titan your character becomes an alt for as long as your Titan is alive. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Baron Chauman
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
14
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 08:38:00 -
[28] - Quote
Just try ratting in your caps. You can beat 100m ISK/hr that way.
Should help solve the problem one way or the other. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
491
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 08:46:00 -
[29] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:GÇ£I know not with what weapons the end game will be fought, but post-end game will be fought with rookie ships and shuttles.GÇ¥
So on-point. When will this power struggle end?!? |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
491
|
Posted - 2014.07.02 08:49:00 -
[30] - Quote
Baron Chauman wrote:Just try ratting in your caps. You can beat 100m ISK/hr that way.
Should help solve the problem one way or the other.
Rat on one carrier, use another char with cyno + scanner to search for complex's. You literally can't get more AFK than carrier ratting. Carriers cost pennies these days. Add in a few lucky half-bil module drops and you're golden. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |