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Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:16:00 -
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I was thinking about T3 frigates and wondering how it could even be usefull. Maybe instead of 5 subsystems give it two with multiple functionalities in each.
Slot 1 could have
Offensive subsystem (can't decide if drones should be its own or mixed) Defensive subsystem (maybe make it a mixed defense/tackle subsystem with low attack ability) Cargo? Subsystem Logistics subsystem (maybe mix that with cargo)
Slot 2 could have Agility and speed Subsystem Warp speed subsystem (although on its own may only be usefull with the cargo subsystem) Covert subsystem Scan subsystem (could be mixed with covert ops)
It could be cool to be a hard tanked tackler, or a covops combat frigate, maybe a cargo crazy scanner. While it seems like there is already a better ship and way to do these things, can't the same be said for our current T3 cruisers?
I thought it could be worthwhile to think about, less work to put together with 2 subsystem slots, mixing abilities and or giving individual varied mixes in each. I think making it a balance of subsystem amounts with mixed abilities in each. Try making it unique from the cruisers.
Just some brainstorming, feel free to add to it. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:21:00 -
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Inb4tl.
Use search.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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masternerdguy
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:29:00 -
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The existing T3s need to be balanced first. They are supposed to be adaptable to a variety of roles but a master of none, but currently they are better than their T2 counterparts in almost every way. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2014.07.07 02:38:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Inb4tl.
Use search.
I didn't see it in the devs common list so I posted about it. I also didn't remember the search button existed, Sorry. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:14:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: but currently they are better than their T2 counterparts in almost every way.
No they are not. The T2 specialized bonuses are better in all cases and before you bring up HACs, i'll remind you that dps and tank are not specializations. +1 |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:40:00 -
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no.
- The end - Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.07.07 09:36:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:Use search. I also didn't remember the search button existed, Sorry. This basic idea has been suggested before, but your specific implementation is new. Carry on. Also Strategic Shuttles. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.07 16:00:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:masternerdguy wrote: but currently they are better than their T2 counterparts in almost every way. No they are not. The T2 specialized bonuses are better in all cases and before you bring up HACs, i'll remind you that dps and tank are not specializations. Well that's a convenient get out. So when people scream about ridiclously imba T3s its actually the Neut Legion which haunts their dreams?
Who knew. Travelling at the speed of love. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:04:00 -
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Here's an idea: rework T3 cruisers so they aren't just improved HACs with battleship tanks. Then maybe think about T3 frigates.
(Or better: don't. Enough power creep in this game...) |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:30:00 -
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cant wait for assault frigs that tank like BC's and are even more resistant to e-war.
i will however shamelessly plug a proposal of my own...
Tactical Frigates
:3 EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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masternerdguy
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:19:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:masternerdguy wrote: but currently they are better than their T2 counterparts in almost every way. No they are not. The T2 specialized bonuses are better in all cases and before you bring up HACs, i'll remind you that dps and tank are not specializations.
You ever fit a Huggin with 50km webs and a 150k EHP tank?
How about a Lachesis with 30km scram range and 200k EHP that still puts out 600 dps?
And I am going to bring HACs into it because
Tengu > Cerberus (but that isn't much of an accomplishment since the Cerb is bad) Proteus > Deimos Legion > Zealot Loki > Munnin
In every possible scenario, unless the T3 is fit poorly, it is better than at least one HAC for that race. And then there's cloaky interdiction nullification.
Face it, they are hilariously broken. That's why people love them so much. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Hal Morsh
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:22:00 -
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People also bling them up don't they?
I only ever owned a proteus with some t2 and meta 4 guns. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:06:00 -
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All T2 ships can do things that T3 ships can't. Saying that T3 ships do everything better than T2 is simply not true.
If you think that the dps/tank of a T3 should be nerfed then that is a discussion for a different thread.
+1 for T3 frigates... Wormholes need something new like this! |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:30:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:All T2 ships can do things that T3 ships can't. Saying that T3 ships do everything better than T2 is simply not true.
[Citation Needed] |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.07.09 10:27:00 -
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By all means, feel free to prove me wrong. Show me the loki fit that can web out as far as a huginn and has target painter bonuses.
I'm not here to educate you on ship stats, so don't ask that of me and go and do your own research. |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
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Posted - 2014.07.09 11:08:00 -
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While it might be interesting to see, CCP stated in the initial T3 release that frigates weren't negotiable but BC/BS on a T3 setup were. They created such a demonic mess though that I doubt they'll even get a rebalance pass. |
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