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Rahelis
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:43:00 -
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Every POV is biased - so I respect MTs tale of the burn houla campaign. MTs story adds content to EVE - and that is what faction warfare is about. Every man has to stand for his own opinion.
Some facts from an insider:
-The campaign started one month before schedule. After the inital command meeting (I attended on TS) the attack was begun with a the mere prep time of 24 hours.
-We sold nearly all our stuff and mobilzed the corp (AVNG) with about 4-6 active pilots. Compare this to Unternehmen Barbarossa - that attack was stalled six weeks, so the assault forces had to fight an an early beginning winter. I want to point out that a rush is not optimal when timing is of the essence. So Barbarossa failed - with advance troops in the suburbs of the emeny capital. The same happend in burn huola.
-The amarr miltia - mostly Biohazard and AVNG attacked and fought against the full weight of the scrambling minmatar milita, a gal expedition force (big respect for your gals effort on field and in command) and local pirate entities- PL etc.
-Neutrals helped us - Misty in the first place. Most neutrals fought us.
Who ever dared and did that in FW? - Nobody.
-This all out assault was done only because of one reason: Boredom about the dead warzone. Some of our pilots had no fun playing EVe any more and wanted to do one last thing before quitting the game.
-The attack force did break from the inside - some agreements that were made at the command meeting were not met. Many allies did not show - due to the rush and some unneccesary diplomatic incidents. Some "allies" even avoxed the amarr milita.
-Many facts that AVNG command pointed out to their allies where not recieved - until the **** started flying.
Nevertheless - Burn Huola was the biggest fun I had in Eve since the Bos campaign.
I would engage in an offensive like this any time again - I burned some 4 bil in about 90 hour fighting and made 400-500 kms.
Exact numbers are hard to tell.
The funny thing - even in a game like EVE "history" is distorted and bent, so any historian has a hell of a job even to get a glimpse about what happend.
As I posted before: 07 to all who fought in the burn huola campaign! |
Rahelis
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.29 18:05:00 -
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Zen - that is military history.
England refered to Napoleon simply as "the monster" in the times of the napoleonic wars. That was propaganda. Napoleon may threw europe into an unequalled war at his time - but he also was the man that broke many ppl form the old yokes. German law to this day has many remnants of napoleonic laws, called "code civil".
I know you are german - the Unternehmen Barbarossa took place and it was the biggest assault in known history.
It failed - barely - I know, in Germany ppl do not talk and think much about recent history (I live in Germany).
In England ppl think otherwise, and military history is part of daily life.
Also nive style to insult me for posting here - I did not create the Amarr as content - blame CCP for that - start thinking.
If you pod someone in EVE you simulate the act of killing - this is a war game, after all.
The huola campaign was content is EVE - in a war game - faction war is a game of war.
If you do not like that - start mining, bro. |
Rahelis
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.07.29 18:21:00 -
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Shelling ppl is never humane - does not matter who shelles whom - war is a crime in itself. War is barbaric - at all times.
Neither dropping bombs on ppl is humane - there is no excuse for that.
We here are lucky to wage pixel war - where only pixels die.
Noone of the internet though guys dies here - and I am glad about it.
Rommel telegraphed to Montgomery that he would fight him in his best tank with the best tank crew - in his own best tank and his best tank crew - to decide the campaign, but that their respective leadership would not approve.
Wake up, mate. |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
92
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Posted - 2014.07.30 08:19:00 -
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So much fear in this threads . . .
Anslo is also upset - being the altruist he is - helping newbros and carebears into lowsec.
Anslo - do you even pay them newbros and carebears their plex with your minnie farming alts? |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
92
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Posted - 2014.07.30 08:37:00 -
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Do you even read the stuff you just posted - altruist anslo?
I told you guys in huola local about your IQ rating - I was not lying with that one . . .
On the other hand, truth is a lie in itself, according to siddartha.
Perk up.
Get a brain.
Learn to use it. |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
92
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Posted - 2014.07.30 11:58:00 -
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History written by the winner - that is a misconception of recent history - - - like searching for WMD in irak . . . |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2014.07.31 08:08:00 -
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Crosi - we start to agree - I like that.
As this thread statuates - it is a minmatar POV - and as I said I deeply respect that.
My objection is that other men have other opinions - so we are on the same boat here.
Let us agree that the burn huola campagin was good content for FW - that may have brought some newbros into the fold.
07
PS: the irak war of 2003 was the third irak war in succession - that is only interesting in a military point of view . . . .
PSS: Luc made the most important remark in this thread. |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:30:00 -
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Very simple facts for failed campaigns.
An known state installed iran/perisan shah - and removed him as he tried to sell his oil to the russ. A known state installed socialist gov in irak (including ****** as part of that) - removed the socialist gov and installed khomeni in 1979. The russ attack afghanistan this year and came near to iran/ irak with a shared border. A known state installed the "holy book warriors" in pakistan an equipped them to fight the russ in the early 1980s. A known state installed ****** as dictator and let him try to remove khomeni - that let to the first gulf war - for that the state started saddams nuke program, because iran had much more manpower. The also provided ****** with german WWII V2/A4 tech. A known state tried to remove saddan - he asked the state if he can claim the old british part of irak - the state said yes - as he took the old province the state declared war on him in 1991. The state did not take the irak capitol in this war. The main reason for this das saddams threat to sell his oil in another currency that the currency of the state. A known state started a war against the "holy book warriors" that they had created themselves in 2001. The states own oil resiuces started to run ran dry since the mid 1990s. So the state sought the nukes they themselves tried to install in irak in 2003 and went to war with ****** to get them some oil. Irak hat the 4th biggest supply in oil. Iraks capitol fell and ****** was killed.
That all is military history - what ppl nowadays call history is nothing than the theological shell around history.
Same in EVE - there are undercurrents that control the war we wage.
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