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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:44:00 -
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Scout sites 3.5 mil.......?
Or is it all to do about nothing?
Discuss You Miners think you have it so damn tough.-á When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.-á You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.-á-á - Bitter Vet
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1170
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:47:00 -
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Having tried these on SISI, I can't imagine anyone thinking these are a lucrative ISK faucet, took nearly 15 minutes to run a scout site for a 3.5mil pay-out with a full-on shiny 5 ship fleet.
Edit; Oh, First! (Following the crowds example)
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4365
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:51:00 -
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I think it's a niche for people that don't want to join the big drama fleets. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7692
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:57:00 -
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The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend.
That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
716
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:36:00 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend. That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions. That's precisely what he just said. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
290
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:42:00 -
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The half-cost 100MN MWD is a good thing for HQ fleets. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1538
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:25:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend.
A much un-needed buff, IMO. If you don't want someone to kill the mothership kill them, instead. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3399
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:26:00 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend. That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions.
Given the antagonism I witness between some of the Incursion communities, it will simply mean more Mom's popped. The only overall uptime we will gain is the time it takes to get the bar 100%. Then the asshats will immediately move in. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
709
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend. That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions. Given the antagonism I witness between some of the Incursion communities, it will simply mean more Mom's popped. The only overall uptime we will gain is the time it takes to get the bar 100%. Then the asshats will immediately move in. You are not supposed to farm them you douche nozzle.
With that being said, I do enjoy highsec incursion runners crying that their incursion farm got killed, and they have to move again. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
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iob ccuf azu
0
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:49:00 -
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As a goon from SomethingAwful I hope they do not buff high sec because noobs dont need money, they should go to 0.0 because of risk vs reward somethingawful.com 4 life membership x 400 years forever |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
837
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:56:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend. That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions. Given the antagonism I witness between some of the Incursion communities, it will simply mean more Mom's popped. The only overall uptime we will gain is the time it takes to get the bar 100%. Then the asshats will immediately move in.
What no tin foil about how this is secretly a nerf? or how somehow this is somehow a huge conspiracy to drive null sec into the ground? In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Hanna Cyrus
Spessart Rebellen
52
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:08:00 -
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Hello iob ccuf azu, i think nullsec pve is much safer than highsec these days. All blue in local? short list? In highsec incursion areas are no short list locals and there are many not blue valling entitys there. Gankers sniffing for officerspawns. Incursion groups A can't say live-and-let-live so they log in their alts and gank group B, much drama lama and Group B does the same and so on. No intelchannel say: one neutral incoming 6 jumps out!!
Nullsec is at the moment much safer then highsec for pve. Look at KBs in the last time, empty freighters just for fun, barges so many you can't count them. And! Officerspawn incursion systems, in no other area of the game you can find so much! And you say risk vs reward? I think we have to nerf nullsec in the state it is ( in the north). |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1366
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:05:00 -
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Lesser sites require more concentration and work from each fleet member (less people in fleet to compensate mistakes). Bigger headquarters and mom sites are the most interesting part of incursions - and they are not affected in this patch.
As for shorter respawn timer - I feel like it will allow more drama due to inconvenience of migrations. ISK/h ratio will be roughly the same, if not worse (due to drama). |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1172
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:12:00 -
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Null Bears and WH Rats are big whiners; If the addition of content that generates less than a 'lvl3 grind' with 25 billion in equipment, or the streamlining of content that has been in effect for years, is so terribad for Null or WH then don't come crying to the forums. I advise them to get in an Incursion fleet.
We can help you make a little ISK. That is if you can follow instructions, bring a properly fitted ship, not get ganked in site or in transit and not go full ****** on comms.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1476
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:06:00 -
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It's all much ado over nothing. The site changes are not respawn in 12 hours. They are respawn in 12-36 hours. A mere 12 hours shorter than in almost every case won't actually change anything anyway. It might slightly increase the number of different people that run sites. Income from HQ's is always over-quoted anyway since they assume perfect officer fitted fleets and perfect TCRC walls with 0 influence.
Scout site changes are irrelevant to overall income streams also with how poor they are. People spent over 30 mins on a single site while running faction fit pirate ships trying to run them, due to the ECM. Marauders or Sentry drone assist fleets were the only set ups that had anything resembling reasonable run times, and they still had very poor 25 Million/Hour incomes. If that is 'too much' then.... yea, GTFO.
The biggest change to affect incursions is actually the 100MN MWD Cap change. Which means people won't be spamming cap requests 30 seconds into site anymore. Still, since Incursions overall are actually a tiny part of the EVE economy, it's not going to have a noticeable effect at all. Null Sec will still be the lions share of the isk faucet. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
795
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:18:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Null Bears and WH Rats are big whiners; If the addition of content that generates less than a 'lvl3 grind' with 25 billion in equipment, or the streamlining of content that has been in effect for years, is so terribad for Null or WH then don't come crying to the forums. I advise them to get in an Incursion fleet.
We can help you make a little ISK. That is if you can follow instructions, bring a properly fitted ship, not get ganked in site or in transit and not go full ****** on comms. I think its more the fact you can make more ISK per hour (which is all that the 23/7 runners care for) in the relative safety of hisec, than you can in a C1-C3 hole. That is very very broken.
If you're going to accuse someome of crying, at least understand why they're saying what they are, lest you make yourself look like an insufferable moron. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
32
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:19:00 -
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Tennej wrote: Or is it all to do about nothing?
Discuss
I do not see how Incursion sites are related to the female anatomy.
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1172
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:33:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Null Bears and WH Rats are big whiners; If the addition of content that generates less than a 'lvl3 grind' with 25 billion in equipment, or the streamlining of content that has been in effect for years, is so terribad for Null or WH then don't come crying to the forums. I advise them to get in an Incursion fleet.
We can help you make a little ISK. That is if you can follow instructions, bring a properly fitted ship, not get ganked in site or in transit and not go full ****** on comms. I think its more the fact you can make more ISK per hour (which is all that the 23/7 runners care for) in the relative safety of hisec, than you can in a C1-C3 hole. That is very very broken. If you're going to accuse someome of crying, at least understand why they're saying what they are, lest you make yourself look like an insufferable moron. As I made considerably more ISK in less time with less stress in a WH than I do on a normal day running Incursions. If you want a beginner/introductory level WH to make more ISK than a community of 100s of players running Incursion content then you are the one looking for CCP to make you some unbalanced gameplay and not the victim here. This reminds me of the poor father with three daughters, all of them wailing away about how the other daughter got more, bigger, better yada yada yada. When in reality they are all getting the same damn thing.
I figured I am an excellent candidate to speak to the Insufferable Morons that have no clue or no desire to visit the facts about Incursions, ISK, RvR or anything else not directly linked to them getting a buff be it undeserved or not. So find a different chew-doll to grind on, your arguments are hollow and over-discussed in a thousand threads already. It's not easy, it's not risk free, it's not something any moron can do, and it's not breaking the damn game; but these diverting comments in forum threads just might.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
796
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:48:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Null Bears and WH Rats are big whiners; If the addition of content that generates less than a 'lvl3 grind' with 25 billion in equipment, or the streamlining of content that has been in effect for years, is so terribad for Null or WH then don't come crying to the forums. I advise them to get in an Incursion fleet.
We can help you make a little ISK. That is if you can follow instructions, bring a properly fitted ship, not get ganked in site or in transit and not go full ****** on comms. I think its more the fact you can make more ISK per hour (which is all that the 23/7 runners care for) in the relative safety of hisec, than you can in a C1-C3 hole. That is very very broken. If you're going to accuse someome of crying, at least understand why they're saying what they are, lest you make yourself look like an insufferable moron. As I made considerably more ISK in less time with less stress in a WH than I do on a normal day running Incursions. If you want a beginner/introductory level WH to make more ISK than a community of 100s of players running Incursion content then you are the one looking for CCP to make you some unbalanced gameplay and not the victim here. This reminds me of the poor father with three daughters, all of them wailing away about how the other daughter got more, bigger, better yada yada yada. When in reality they are all getting the same damn thing. I figured I am an excellent candidate to speak to the Insufferable Morons that have no clue or no desire to visit the facts about Incursions, ISK, RvR or anything else not directly linked to them getting a buff be it undeserved or not. So find a different chew-doll to grind on, your arguments are hollow and over-discussed in a thousand threads already. It's not easy, it's not risk free, it's not something any moron can do, and it's not breaking the damn game; but these diverting comments in forum threads just might. If you can make more ISK in a single C1 or C2 hole in a day than in an incursion, then I bow down to your almighty glory because this is something that even the wormhole CSM member corbexx is trying to show to CCP. As for more risk in a hisec incursion through PvP, yes, you are completely right, of course, what was I thinking ... (that's sarcasm in case you were wondering, I don't see your incursion fleet getting rolled onto and dropped on by T3's and HIC's ... ... Yet ... )
The facts and figures talk for themselves in that the most ISK per hour (other than capital escalations is in hisec incursions). And also something CCP Fozzie during the Wormhole townhall meeting said he would def need to look into. (granted that will be soon (tm) but still the case) Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8940
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:51:00 -
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Goldiiee, I get that you're out to defend your golden goose, but at least don't outright lie.
Oh, and don't misquote King Lear, either. That statement made no sense, at all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3434
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:32:00 -
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The scout changes are harmless. The NCN wall changes and mothership respawn changes are bad for the game, and will encourage people to leave null/low/WH space to grind highsec incursions instead.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
909
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:41:00 -
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Isn't this change to Incursions everywhere? Those aren't just a high sec thing. Wormholers are even getting something this release (though not from this change). Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead. |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
909
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:42:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:The scout changes are harmless. The NCN wall changes and mothership respawn changes are bad for the game, and will encourage people to leave null/low/WH space to grind highsec incursions instead.
Call me when they fix null sov. Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
799
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:44:00 -
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Cynter DeVries wrote:Isn't this change to Incursions everywhere? Those aren't just a high sec thing. Wormholers are even getting something this release (though not from this change). You haven't been to the wormhole subforum recently have you
To answer your point though, yes changes are to all Incursions. But you won't find the majority of the Incursion community taking all their shinies into a Nullsec Incursion. Too risky for that stuff... (Go on Goldiiee, prove me wrong. Make up some bullshit about how you risk your billion ISK ships where you can be freely shot at... I dare you... ) Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3437
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:54:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Cynter DeVries wrote:Isn't this change to Incursions everywhere? Those aren't just a high sec thing. Wormholers are even getting something this release (though not from this change). You haven't been to the wormhole subforum recently have you To answer your point though, yes changes are to all Incursions. But you won't find the majority of the Incursion community taking all their shinies into a Nullsec Incursion. Too risky for that stuff... (Go on Goldiiee, prove me wrong. Make up some bullshit about how you risk your billion ISK ships where you can be freely shot at... I dare you... )
It's more the case that, except for the odd incursion that spawns very deep in sovereign null (nowhere near a contested border), the ISK per hour of using a blinged, PVP-incapable highsec incursion boat in a highsec incursion system far exceeds the ISK per hour of using a ship that's easily replaced in nullsec or lowsec incursions.
If, for instance, eleven Goonswarm pilots want to run incursions, it simply makes economic sense for them to jump on highsec alts and use blinged boats, rather than running sites in a lowsec incursion, unless their sole purpose is to provoke a fight. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
799
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:59:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:Cynter DeVries wrote:Isn't this change to Incursions everywhere? Those aren't just a high sec thing. Wormholers are even getting something this release (though not from this change). You haven't been to the wormhole subforum recently have you To answer your point though, yes changes are to all Incursions. But you won't find the majority of the Incursion community taking all their shinies into a Nullsec Incursion. Too risky for that stuff... (Go on Goldiiee, prove me wrong. Make up some bullshit about how you risk your billion ISK ships where you can be freely shot at... I dare you... ) It's more the case that, except for the odd incursion that spawns very deep in sovereign null (nowhere near a contested border), the ISK per hour of using a blinged, PVP-incapable highsec incursion boat in a highsec incursion system far exceeds the ISK per hour of using a ship that's easily replaced in nullsec or lowsec incursions. If, for instance, eleven Goonswarm pilots want to run incursions, it simply makes economic sense for them to jump on highsec alts and use blinged boats, rather than running sites in a lowsec incursion, unless their sole purpose is to provoke a fight.
Agreed, and that is kind of the point I am making here. The fact that they make riduculous amounts of ISK in hisec in relative safety. More ISK than pretty much anywhere else in the game. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8951
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:30:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: If, for instance, eleven Goonswarm pilots want to run incursions, it simply makes economic sense for them to jump on highsec alts and use blinged boats, rather than running sites in a lowsec incursion, unless their sole purpose is to provoke a fight.
Last time I asked about this subject, it was mentioned that they just try to headshot the incursion as quickly as possible to just get it out of their space, they don't actually use it since it's an overall detriment. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3439
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote: If, for instance, eleven Goonswarm pilots want to run incursions, it simply makes economic sense for them to jump on highsec alts and use blinged boats, rather than running sites in a lowsec incursion, unless their sole purpose is to provoke a fight.
Last time I asked about this subject, it was mentioned that they just try to headshot the incursion as quickly as possible to just get it out of their space, they don't actually use it since it's an overall detriment.
Yeah a lot of null entities think that way. Not sure what Goons do in practice. Don't they have a dedicated crew for headshotting incursions in their space?
The active incursion comes at two costs in sov null - the loss of use of the space it is in, and also the disruption of cyno chains that use that space. In highsec these overheads don't really exist - the whole area is always cynojammed, and you can trivially relocate. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5342
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:21:00 -
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maaaagic missile.... Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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