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Xenofur
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:40:00 -
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I think i can explain why some think we only had 16 battleships and why RA killed a good bit more than that:
Shortly after we left 8-W to fall back to F2A several people began to log in in 8-W from the american and australian/asian/etc. timezones. The problem was now: These people were seperated from the main gang and cut off by RA pilots in between them. This is where our mistake happened: Instead of having them try to sneak in and bolster our numbers directly, we decided to engage the RA force that at that point was about equal in size to the main force of the coalition gang (which was about 30 people, 16 BS, as stated before) and try to form up with the newcoming logins. Well, as was previously described by aimez, the two forces formed up on the gates and waited. At one point the RA force jumped through and unimpeded by bubbles took up sniper positions. This hit the main force quite hard, since at that point the odds were quite in favor of RA. As the battle was underway and the word got through to the newcoming logins they jumped through and joined the on-going battle, landing themselves in prime sniping range.
So while the numbers say the fight was even, the actual situation in the battlefield was quite different, since additional coalition members joined the fight later on and did so under unfavorable conditions as well. :)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.25 23:09:00 -
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mactep, please sacrifice a few minutes and read the post exactly above yours. ;)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.26 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Xenofur Shortly after we left 8-W to fall back to F2A several people began to log in in 8-W from the american and australian/asian/etc. timezones.
You make it sound like the battle took hours or something. Actually, it lasted only 17 minutes.
Not at all. I am talking about the time before the fight. The time where the main camp in 8-W packed up its **** and moved down to F2A, after which you moved into the pipe to F2A, cutting off those who had logged on meanwhile. Personally i find it perplexing how my words could be misinterpreted like this. Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Xenofur As the battle was underway and the word got through to the newcoming logins they jumped through and joined the on-going battle, landing themselves in prime sniping range.
So, do you mean you have tried to do login trap, but have failed? :)
Once again, not at all. oO All I'm saying is that this fight happened not at equal odds as the numbers suggest, because the coalition forces were not combined from the beginning, like yours were.
I am in no way trying to say that you fought unfairly or exploited, only that you did have an advantage due to circumstances. :)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 26/07/2006 09:15:17 @ Minevra:
*sigh*
I explained it above already, but i'll try to make it more simple.
1. Main gang sits at 8-W. 2. Decision is made to move to F2A. 3. Main gang moves down to F2A. 4. RA comes in, pops unguarded bubbles, moves further towards F2A. 5. People of different timezones begin to log in at 8-W, because they were previously part of the camp in 8-W and when they had to go sleep had safe-spotted and logged off in the system. 6. People realize they are cut off and ask for help. 7. Main camp moves to ZO-. 8. RA waits on the other side of the gate for reinforcements of theirs to arrive. (Another mistake of us here, we should've jumped on you ASAP. -.-) 9. Meanwhile the stragglers from 8-W have moved to MJ- and save-spotted, waiting for orders. 10. RA forces jump in on main gang, consisting mainly of frigates and cruisers and 16 battleships, battle begins. 11. After initial flurry of confusion and activity the stragglers in M-J warp to the ZO- gate and jump over to join the battle, which already has cost the main camp several ships. As far as i know they didn't even have instas. Additionally the RA forces were at that point set up for sniping range on the gate.
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rakull Turn on your brain dude and learn geography. Russians are Euros as well mostly. So what difference between our euros and coalition?
Out of curiosity, how did you manage to get a 30-40 strong gang online at 0500 AM russian time? ^^
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:45:00 -
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So you set your alarm clocks to times when the americans begin to go to bed and the central europeans are already fast asleep? What i thought, thanks for the confirmation. :)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rakull
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
So u wake up ppl just so they can log on and play a game !!! My boss in RL wont even dare do that unless its like a catastrophe or the entire DB we work on has crashed !!! Funny thing is one of ur alliance m8s is askign ppl to enjoy it as a game and not a RL thing , i think this advice should also apply to u guys as well , ur taking this game way serious than a RL job
You missing the point m8. The question was asked how we managed to gather such fleet that early. I think i answered creary to that question. And this has nothing to do with RL issues. Our pilots saw opportutity that very morning, so they tried to get as many dedicated pilots online as possible. This is purely about dedication to the common goal. If you ever understand what this words mean. Than you might start to understand how RA holds and keeps fighting. Yes this is game, yes i usually sleep at this time. But if anyone from my comrades would call my mobile and said that there is opportunity for RA to break the blocade right that morning at 4 AM-i'd be there no questions asked. WE work as team of dedicated people and you is just a bunch of lazy casual gamers. That's the difference.
I have to agree. I did not ask in order to put RA down. I was honestly curious where those people came from, when others say that RA people follow normal sleep patterns as well. One point that could be made is the following: RA does not simply enjoy an inherent advantage due to timezones. They do work and use effort in order to gain advantages. To put them down because of this and accuse them of things that are wrong in this context seems to me like being envious because of their strength.
Originally by: Rakull Just as a side note. Why do we have to treat eash other like this? Yes we might be enemies ingame at this point but think of it as this: Do you treat your friend when you play "Monopoly" as your mutual enemy when they take some streets from you? Do you treat as enemy your neighbour during weekend poker game only for that he's winnig the deal? Do you trat your friend as enemy on AD&D pen& paper session only because he's playing role of assasin which came for your head?
I personaly dont think of you as my enemies- rather like game partners. Without you game would be boring. We all need to learn how to respect our game partners as they make our game playable and enjoyable. Even if they play role of you enemy at this moment
I would like to see you as an equal opponent. Sadly i can only look at you in two ways. 1. The people who have so far managed to destroy 1/5 of the property of my corp, which is a relatively weak corp of miners. 2. People who, despite their strengths, allow persons in their ranks that actively abuse tools given by the developers in order to make unintended use of them. I will list only one undisputable example: One member of our gang received a gang invite from one of your people while he was typing in chat, when he hit enter to send his message that request was accepted and he was warped to one of your POSes before he had even realized what had happened. Spoken in Monopoly terms this is similar to one who kicks the table while your dice are rolling to force a result that is more favourable to him. I think you see why it is difficult to see people who allow their own to use such methods, as equal opponents. If you are truly intent on changing this, how about giving us a contact in your ranks who we can report such occurances to so you deal with them?
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.26 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 26/07/2006 22:34:09 Another question i'm curious about:
What would RA say if we log out 3/4 of the camp and have them log in as soon as you attack? Purely hypothetically speaking of course. I'm honestly curious as to what the reaction would be.
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